Hexidecimal
Emutalk Bounty Hunter.
Says the man who has apparently read nothing about the revolution yet, because the standard format is Dual Layer DVD.
Official: Nintendo Revolution
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Reznor007
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Think back to the past before you assume that console power means anything. PS2 was the weakest console of this gen, yet outsold Gamecube and Xbox by about 2x combined. Last gen PS1 was the weakest, yet outsold N64 and Saturn by about 2x as well.
Before that, Genesis/Megadrive had a CPU over 2x faster than SNES, although it's video and sound was worse, and which system won that gen? I'm not including Neogeo since the price is really what killed it.
Before that, Genesis/Megadrive had a CPU over 2x faster than SNES, although it's video and sound was worse, and which system won that gen? I'm not including Neogeo since the price is really what killed it.
Hexidecimal
Emutalk Bounty Hunter.
Considering Nintendo has already built the prototypes around DVD format, and have also confirmed that the final console will infact use DVD's as the main format yes, yes I do.
Hexidecimal said:
good for you.
"Nintendo's legions of loyal fans will be happy to learn that Revolution will be backward compatible, playing both Nintendo GameCube three-inch discs, along with its own standard, double-layered DVD discs in the same self-loading media drive," said the company.
I guess ´´own standard`` has different meaning for anybody.
tell you what, in the end it`s worth a damn for me, so don`t bother replying, I have better things to do with my life than discussing what format will nintendo use with the next console.
Stalkid64
Citizen(sixty)four
The drive is compatible with; Nintendo's inevitable proprietary "DVD-style/dual-layer" format (in the same sense that NGC discs aren't mini-dvd these are NOT DVD discs. Nintendo has undoubtedly altered them sufficiently from the DVD standard. Just because they are 12-inch optical discs that doesn't automatically make them `DVD's`), GameCube discs and with an internal add on, normal DVD movie discs. Games will of course be supplied ONLY on Nintendo's proprietary version which will have some insane level of security to prevent IP theft (As Iwata said himself at the E3 conference). Here endeth the lesson. Or something. 
ShizZy
Emulator Developer
Ever crack open a gamecube case? (well, not to reccomend for you to if you havn't), but nintendo has an incredible talent in fitting big things in little spaces. That thing is engineered to be as compact as possible, not an inch of space is wasted. Now look in your standard PC (and believe me, mine is pretty powerful) It's about the size of your medium gaming case (so a good chunk bigger than the average consumer machine), but about 80% of it is air. Same goes for the xbox (havn't tried to take apart my ps2 yet, only have 1 of themTrotterwatch said:
) Well designed hardware won't need big buky boards and heat sinks. The Revolution is a generation better, which means technology is THAT much more compact. We'll see I suppose...Trotterwatch
Active member
I stand by my statement, until the time I am proven wrong by proper specifications and head to head comparisons between the 3 big machines in realtime.
Yea gamecube design is really impressive considering half of the space is wasted in dvd lid mechanism and extensions plugs such as broadband adapter... That's a problem they won't have with their next console : slot in dvd and extensions are using usb, ethernet and wifi.
RatTrap
GODLIKE
i'm pretty sure i could build a pretty powerfull PC in a size that is not much diferent from the Revolutions.. (176x176x70mm could be donne..)
what are the sizes of the Revolution again?.. i'm sure they are smaller.. but it's fun to see what can be donne with standard PC parts.. then you know you could make it much smaller if it was specialiced parts..
i could make a pc with:
slot in dvd-burner
1GB mem
P4 passivly cooled (not sure wich one would have to test it but possibly underclocked)
4xUSB2
Video: hmm... Passive cooled Radeon x700-850 of some sort.. such as a Gigabyte or Powercolor one of the brands that still do passive cooling.. would have to be AGP thou..
of course just like the GC and Revolution it would rely on an external PSU.. there are several for PC use.. not sure thou about the power.. would have to be pretty powerfull for that video card and a P4..
either way.. we're talking reaaaally expensive.. wich the Revolution will not be.. cool huh?..
what are the sizes of the Revolution again?.. i'm sure they are smaller.. but it's fun to see what can be donne with standard PC parts.. then you know you could make it much smaller if it was specialiced parts..
i could make a pc with:
slot in dvd-burner
1GB mem
P4 passivly cooled (not sure wich one would have to test it but possibly underclocked)
4xUSB2
Video: hmm... Passive cooled Radeon x700-850 of some sort.. such as a Gigabyte or Powercolor one of the brands that still do passive cooling.. would have to be AGP thou..
of course just like the GC and Revolution it would rely on an external PSU.. there are several for PC use.. not sure thou about the power.. would have to be pretty powerfull for that video card and a P4..
either way.. we're talking reaaaally expensive.. wich the Revolution will not be.. cool huh?..
sheik124
Emutalk Member
RatTrap said:i'm pretty sure i could build a pretty powerfull PC in a size that is not much diferent from the Revolutions.. (176x176x70mm could be donne..)
what are the sizes of the Revolution again?.. i'm sure they are smaller.. but it's fun to see what can be donne with standard PC parts.. then you know you could make it much smaller if it was specialiced parts..
i could make a pc with:
slot in dvd-burner
1GB mem
P4 passivly cooled (not sure wich one would have to test it but possibly underclocked)
4xUSB2
Video: hmm... Passive cooled Radeon x700-850 of some sort.. such as a Gigabyte or Powercolor one of the brands that still do passive cooling.. would have to be AGP thou..
of course just like the GC and Revolution it would rely on an external PSU.. there are several for PC use.. not sure thou about the power.. would have to be pretty powerfull for that video card and a P4..
either way.. we're talking reaaaally expensive.. wich the Revolution will not be.. cool huh?..
:yucky: Passively cooled Pentium 4s, let alone Prescott core Pentium 4s, are a horrible horrible idea, Nintendo would drown under the ocean of lawsuits for spontaneously combusting Revolutions, Pentium Ms or Turion 64s (low voltage Athlon 64s) are more along the lines of something you could passively cool
RatTrap
GODLIKE
true.. but it's dificult to find a good reliable and powerfull mini-itx card that can handle that type of cpu.. wich is the biggest problem.. i was talking about only using standard PC hardware and preferibly the best.. also underclocked you could surelly use a P4.. but i'm thinking a good Celeron could work too..
or you could use a VIA CPU.. the best one right now woulnd't be bad.. and it can be cooled with a small fan and a passive cooler..
if you create a good box that is close to airtight.. you get better airflow if you have an in-fan and an out-fan.. i doubt it's impossible to make a tiny reliable PC with a P4.. it just has to be well designed..
i was also thinking about nano-itx but that would just not give enough power i guess.. a nano-itx could be smaller than the revo though.. instead of the size of 3 dvd-cases.. it could be the size of 3 cd-cases.. give or take halv an inch in each dimension..
a via epia-n nano-itx based pc.. would work real well as an emulator computer under your tv.. imagine a computer that only has a small laptop HD.. or 2x1.8 inchers doing 10-60 GBs each (depending on how much you wanna spend on hd-space).. with the nano-itx board and it's C3 1Ghz CPU wich also has 2d/3d S3 acceleration + MPEG hardware support.. you don't need a CD-drive on it.. it would be about the size of 3 cd-cases really..
imagine.. put the USB ports on the front.. and you have a perfect server/emulation box.. well not for GC, XBOX or PS2 emulation.. but i think most things b4 those are maybe playable.. i'm not sure about performance with pj64 or a ps1 emu.. but i think with the right tweaking it could work ok.. i think the main target would be older systems though..
hehe.. i kinda like this idea.. i call thee.. "RatTraps Rubics Cube of Emulation"..
of course.. if you go outside of standards.. you could do a whole lot more.. but that requires more than a year on designing a new mobo and many tests.. and it would cost a few millions to make a prototype..
or you could use a VIA CPU.. the best one right now woulnd't be bad.. and it can be cooled with a small fan and a passive cooler..
if you create a good box that is close to airtight.. you get better airflow if you have an in-fan and an out-fan.. i doubt it's impossible to make a tiny reliable PC with a P4.. it just has to be well designed..
i was also thinking about nano-itx but that would just not give enough power i guess.. a nano-itx could be smaller than the revo though.. instead of the size of 3 dvd-cases.. it could be the size of 3 cd-cases.. give or take halv an inch in each dimension..
a via epia-n nano-itx based pc.. would work real well as an emulator computer under your tv.. imagine a computer that only has a small laptop HD.. or 2x1.8 inchers doing 10-60 GBs each (depending on how much you wanna spend on hd-space).. with the nano-itx board and it's C3 1Ghz CPU wich also has 2d/3d S3 acceleration + MPEG hardware support.. you don't need a CD-drive on it.. it would be about the size of 3 cd-cases really..
imagine.. put the USB ports on the front.. and you have a perfect server/emulation box.. well not for GC, XBOX or PS2 emulation.. but i think most things b4 those are maybe playable.. i'm not sure about performance with pj64 or a ps1 emu.. but i think with the right tweaking it could work ok.. i think the main target would be older systems though..
hehe.. i kinda like this idea.. i call thee.. "RatTraps Rubics Cube of Emulation"
..of course.. if you go outside of standards.. you could do a whole lot more.. but that requires more than a year on designing a new mobo and many tests.. and it would cost a few millions to make a prototype
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scotty
The Great One
The hardware does not matter that much, considering what can be done with any of them. Basically the consoles can do anything. The games are made by the developers, and they can pick what console they choose to make their games for. Most of them will develop for a console that has a larger fanbase (unless you get financial backing from one of them) to get more money for what they release.
I know Sony and Microsoft are boasting, anyone would boast their product to get attention on the market. I am a bit surprised Nintendo isnt trying to boast, but than again theyve always been the smarter of the three, but still fall short. I really want to see who will be leading the race at the end of 2006, when all the consoles have had some time on the market.
Nintendo will not stop making their hardware until they give out a fight to the bitter end, and we all know it. They dont like to go away, they stay right in front of your nose like a mosquito.
I personally am getting hype about the Xbox 360. Although I admit Im not a Microsoft fan, especially their software for computers. I still like what they have done with the Xbox. I know want to get my hands on a few games already, specifically Perfect Dark Zero and Blue Dragon, which are of course exclusive titles. The only regret in this thought is Ill have to miss Tri-Ace's products (unless they switch over to develop for Microsoft Xbox, I doubt it), considering I dont have the financial resources to buy 2 consoles.
I know Sony and Microsoft are boasting, anyone would boast their product to get attention on the market. I am a bit surprised Nintendo isnt trying to boast, but than again theyve always been the smarter of the three, but still fall short. I really want to see who will be leading the race at the end of 2006, when all the consoles have had some time on the market.
Nintendo will not stop making their hardware until they give out a fight to the bitter end, and we all know it. They dont like to go away, they stay right in front of your nose like a mosquito.
I personally am getting hype about the Xbox 360. Although I admit Im not a Microsoft fan, especially their software for computers. I still like what they have done with the Xbox. I know want to get my hands on a few games already, specifically Perfect Dark Zero and Blue Dragon, which are of course exclusive titles. The only regret in this thought is Ill have to miss Tri-Ace's products (unless they switch over to develop for Microsoft Xbox, I doubt it), considering I dont have the financial resources to buy 2 consoles.
Nin_10_Dough
New member
If you have seen the official controller promo clip, you might find this funny:
http://media.putfile.com/Nintendo-ON16
:happy:
http://media.putfile.com/Nintendo-ON16
:happy:
Chibi Nick
Emutalk Member
We don't know what kind of agreements were made way back then when Nintendo gave rights to rare to make Donkey Kong games..Hexidecimal said:
But anyways, I just wanted to point out that Chrono Trigger was ported to the ps1 as part of "Final Fantasy Chronicles" (paired with final fantasy 4/2us). It's a port they did themselves, but still a port.