Revolution Control Revealed!

[jdsony]

I don't know why everyone is claiming the Revolution controller to be perfect for FPS. Sure it will be better than a stick but the benefit of a mouse is that you can let go and it stays steady. When your holding something in the air it's going to be a lot harder to keep steady. I have a mouse that you can use in the air by holding a button on the underside. When you let go of the button it stops sensing. While it does work decently it's not as accurate as using it on a flat surface. The Revolution may provide the most realistic first person experience but it will still be behind a mouse.

As for the gamecube controller the buttons are illogical unless a game is designed for them from the ground up. Even the N64 controller didn't make much sense but it worked well when the game was made for it. I think it scared away third parties though. While as an Xbox follower I am happy to have RARE Nintendo would be better off still having them. I think if Nintendo had more companies designing games with their console in mind everything would be much better. The developers are going to be creating games for the more powerful or more popular systems and then making them work on the others.

The N64 was also one of my favorite systems, for kiddies or not I thought the platformers for that system were some of the most well made fun games ever. I guess you could compare Nintendo to Pixar in ways. They both have an appearance of being for kids but they are fun for all ages. I was really close to buying a gamecube but I never did and I probably missed out on a lot. I like a lot of the "complex" games but I don't have many people to play them with and I usually end up winning. I'd love for a system with simpler games that anyone can pick up and have fun with.

 

[Doomulation]

There is a purpose in new things but Nintendo excels @ NOT doing what the consumer wants.

You are delusional. Nintendo does what I want. So basically nintendo does what SOME people at least want.

As an example the DS has been bought out without an analog controller yet one of the launch games for it was infact a center piece game that was made to show off Analog Control on the N64.

But the game DID work with the thumb strap, did it not?

Yes i agree the touchscreen is innovative etc etc however would it have killed them to add the analog controller especially if they was going to put a game like mario64 on the DS

Whine, whine. It works fine without. You don't need everything. You look too much into the past. Like sony.

Of course no market no developers but what you said about the market dying thats untrue there are more games now then ever before even if they are not the Hardcore gamers
The mass majority that is more than just the small band of gamers that used to be children playing Sega VS Nintendo back in the day has changed into a scene where gaming now found everywhere and played by everyone not the hardcore elite gamers

Newbies have a hard time with the controllers. The games are getting more expensive, almost to that of the films of holywood. Need I say more? At this rate, the market WILL die.

I think your judgement is clouded by your hatred for Sony.
There have been plenty of innovative and not to mention of the best games were made for the the Playstation 2
I'll name the eyetoy games as one although not made by Sony was in fact on Sonys machine.

Sony doesn't produce games And besides, new games or not, the above issues remain. Besides, games still remain as they did before.

Anyways i dislike gaming politics I don't care what machine a game comes out on I'll always support a good game and I'll play a good game regardless of what console it is on.
Personally though I'd like to be able to buy one machine without having to miss out on games that have exclusive deals etc its just a bum.

I agree with you there

I don't know why everyone is claiming the Revolution controller to be perfect for FPS. Sure it will be better than a stick but the benefit of a mouse is that you can let go and it stays steady. When your holding something in the air it's going to be a lot harder to keep steady. I have a mouse that you can use in the air by holding a button on the underside. When you let go of the button it stops sensing. While it does work decently it's not as accurate as using it on a flat surface. The Revolution may provide the most realistic first person experience but it will still be behind a mouse.

Perhaps, this we shall see. But is undoubtedly better than an analog stick. I think nintedo has thought much about this controller. They are not about to let it die so easily.

As for the gamecube controller the buttons are illogical unless a game is designed for them from the ground up. Even the N64 controller didn't make much sense but it worked well when the game was made for it. I think it scared away third parties though.

Well, boo! Boo, I say! I like innoviate things. I'd choose something new over something old if I like it. And who is to say that the design of the gc is ankward? It is simply different and works just as well.

While as an Xbox follower I am happy to have RARE Nintendo would be better off still having them. I think if Nintendo had more companies designing games with their console in mind everything would be much better. The developers are going to be creating games for the more powerful or more popular systems and then making them work on the others.

Well, gee, rare has been going down ever since the fall of the snes. They've only been doing bad games methinks. It's no loss.

The N64 was also one of my favorite systems, for kiddies or not I thought the platformers for that system were some of the most well made fun games ever. I guess you could compare Nintendo to Pixar in ways. They both have an appearance of being for kids but they are fun for all ages. I was really close to buying a gamecube but I never did and I probably missed out on a lot. I like a lot of the "complex" games but I don't have many people to play them with and I usually end up winning. I'd love for a system with simpler games that anyone can pick up and have fun with.

Why back out from buying a GC?
Ahh, that statement... you see that matthew? Some gamers just want the good 'ol games back. But that will never happen if sony has their way. Ehem, I just need to write that this is one of the reasons the market is dying. And it needs to change.

 

[matthew]

You are delusional. Nintendo does what I want. So basically nintendo does what SOME people at least want.


But the game DID work with the thumb strap, did it not?


Whine, whine. It works fine without. You don't need everything. You look too much into the past. Like sony.


Newbies have a hard time with the controllers. The games are getting more expensive, almost to that of the films of holywood. Need I say more? At this rate, the market WILL die.


Sony doesn't produce games And besides, new games or not, the above issues remain. Besides, games still remain as they did before.


I agree with you there


Perhaps, this we shall see. But is undoubtedly better than an analog stick. I think nintedo has thought much about this controller. They are not about to let it die so easily.


Well, boo! Boo, I say! I like innoviate things. I'd choose something new over something old if I like it. And who is to say that the design of the gc is ankward? It is simply different and works just as well.


Well, gee, rare has been going down ever since the fall of the snes. They've only been doing bad games methinks. It's no loss.


Why back out from buying a GC?
Ahh, that statement... you see that matthew? Some gamers just want the good 'ol games back. But that will never happen if sony has their way. Ehem, I just need to write that this is one of the reasons the market is dying. And it needs to change.

I don't even want to reply to you anymore
You defend Nintendo at all costs regardless of what anyone points out.
Its the same as Nintendo does NOT listen to consumers its why they are in 3rd place in the rest of the world except for Japan.

You are also not debating you are arguing regardless of facts.
You also contradict yourself in above quoted text at least twice.

Your knowledge also needs to be worked on because Sony Just like Nintendo and Microsoft have an Inhouse development team .

Lastly you have contradicted yourself on more than one occasion in the above quoted text you are making yourself look slightly silly now

 

[Doomulation]

I don't even want to reply to you anymore
You defend Nintendo at all costs regardless of what anyone points out.
Its the same as Nintendo does NOT listen to consumers its why they are in 3rd place in the rest of the world except for Japan.

You are also not debating you are arguing regardless of facts.
You also contradict yourself in above quoted text at least twice.

Your knowledge also needs to be worked on because Sony Just like Nintendo and Microsoft have an Inhouse development team .

Lastly you have contradicted yourself on more than one occasion in the above quoted text you are making yourself look slightly silly now

I understand you won't, but you won't even acknowledge any of my points, sooo....
Nintendo listens to some like ME, and then want to go their own way of making things BETTER.
Yes, I know both sony and microsoft have dev teams. Buy sony does not but bringing up an über console. Microsoft tries to change stuff, nintendo goes a step further.

 

[Maduvia]

well.....personally, I'm pretty excited about the Revolution controller. Gimmick or not, it has a wide variety of capabilities, and an ever wider variety of possible applictions to make it even better.

Matthew, and Doomulation, I find your arguing very interesting, but in the end, ultimately futile. Neither of you seems willing to give ground at all, and furthermore (and I mean this in no disrespect) both of you seem to keep repeating yourselves and your "facts". I personally like the GC controller very much, and do not see it as "inferior" or "superior" to either the Xbox, PS1/2, or any controller. It is merely a different way of playing a game.

As for myself, I don't think I am a console fanboy. I play all games equally, on all systems, depending on which one I like more. Some games ARE more compatible/better "feeling" on one console over another, but that's the way of the world, and what keeps the market flowing. It would be both boring and asinine to play only one system, simply because of a certain attachment to said system.


What the gaming world lacks, and what this world lacks in general, is a simple thing called "diversity".

Everyone always wants things to be "like they used to be". Well, guess what kiddo, they're not. If you'd like to have only a Sega Saturn, or Dreamcast, or SNES, then go right ahead! its your choice. But don't stand in the way of something "different" just because your mad that a company (which has already been established as a "buisness", and therefore not caring about a simple humans' needs) didn't do what you wanted.

To Matthew....you continually insult that Nintendo "does not give the consumer what it wants". What -exactly- is it that a consumer wants? Do any of us know for sure?

Sure, a majority of people want a certain style of game, or game-play. But if Nintendo caters to a lesser minority, who are we to judge? Do we just cast aside a minority's opinion, simply because its not a majority?

For once, Nintendo appears to be doing something that could cater to both the majority AND the minority. And what do most of the gamers do? They complain! They sit, and rant, and rave about how "awful" its going to be, just cause its not like what everyone else is doing.

Microsoft and Sony are both catering to ONLY the majority. They do things for the big bucks, and for what most of their gamers want -right now-. And that's it. Everyone else can just go and do something else, as far as they're concerned.


With the new controller, system, add-ons, and whatnot, Nintendo is attempting to bridge the gap between old and new. Between majority and minority. Between hard-core, casual, and neophyte.

Who are we to judge them for that?

(I probably sound a little naive....but hey.....would you rather i was a cold pessimist? Perhaps might be an easier way of living.....but definitly not as fun)

 

[matthew]

To Matthew....you continually insult that Nintendo "does not give the consumer what it wants". What -exactly- is it that a consumer wants? Do any of us know for sure?

Sure, a majority of people want a certain style of game, or game-play. But if Nintendo caters to a lesser minority, who are we to judge? Do we just cast aside a minority's opinion, simply because its not a majority?

For once, Nintendo appears to be doing something that could cater to both the majority AND the minority. And what do most of the gamers do? They complain! They sit, and rant, and rave about how "awful" its going to be, just cause its not like what everyone else is doing.

Microsoft and Sony are both catering to ONLY the majority. They do things for the big bucks, and for what most of their gamers want -right now-. And that's it. Everyone else can just go and do something else, as far as they're concerned.


With the new controller, system, add-ons, and whatnot, Nintendo is attempting to bridge the gap between old and new. Between majority and minority. Between hard-core, casual, and neophyte.

Who are we to judge them for that?

(I probably sound a little naive....but hey.....would you rather i was a cold pessimist? Perhaps might be an easier way of living.....but definitly not as fun)

Well actually Nintendo aren't stupid they do know what the consumer wants they just don't give it I've already given various examples as to what has happened due to "pad design" lack of "analog stick on DS"
I make my judgements based upon what has happened already and what may happen.

Regardless of what Nintendo do wether it is innovative or not it relegates them to 3rd place I'm not bashing Nintendo what i am saying is that
With the X was the cause of Y and hence I would call it a mistake.

I am the consumer i can judge and i will judge because at the end of the day Nintendo has a games machine which is a product like any other,
The fact that Nintendo does things differently isn't a problem however the fact that they do things differently affects my Gameplay experiences does bother me.
I mean for what logical reason didn't Nintendo's online strategy take off especially when it was perfectly capable of it.

Also the fact is wether i think Nintendo is good or not point is the mass majority is what makes a console successful if you can persuade them then who cares of my opinion.
However my opinion becomes a negative one because of what has already happened.

You are right this arguing is futile indeed opinions don't matter in the slightest besides my opinion isn't only my own its the majorities although hardcore minorities tend to disagree which is what i think is Nintendo's own failing.
countless amounts of multiplatform titles have failed to make it onto the Nintendo system and why is that i don't really know but my theory is that it is a Knock on affect

• Less people buy Nintendo due to
• Kiddy image
• Don't like the pad
• Less games

^^^^ The Consumer side

• Developers then consider smaller target audience
• Less games start to come out on Gamecube
• Less Effort being put into games ports on Cube

^^^^ Developers

Gaming experience starts to suffer due to the above

Regardless of Nintendo supporters or haters the truth is that the consumers are who decides if a console or product is successful or not so i would simply say it would be good business sence to please them

Sony and Microsoft are getting it right this isn't about ideals of gaming because Nintendo like Sony and Microsoft are a business so of course they would want their machine to be the most successful

Besides I've already outlined i think that the Revolution will change gaming however i will doubt that many people will buy it.
As an example i can only say that everywhere else except Japan the DS is second to the PSP now i mean DS is innovative with totally new aspects of gameplay being introduced even in the launch titles however the consumers still go bonkers for the PSP and its graphics.

 

[Tjalian]

No matter what happens, no matter who's side you're on (personally, I'm on Nintendo's, but lets just leave it at that, I'm tired of fighting/arguing/debating) what Nintendo needs to do is to *show* you why this controller is here, and why it is the way forward, and that's its not just innovation for innovation's sake, and do that by using the launch titles.

If they don't show you what it is and why its here with the launch titles, its going to be much more difficult (or maybe impossible, although I wouldn't go that far, yet) to make a massive impact, because if it gets poorly executed, the mainstream will pass it off as some stupid gimmick that isn't that great, and 3rd parties will possibly be scared to develop for it.

Of course, there's always a chance it could pick up after a poor 'first-impression' delivery, but it'd be hard.

 

[Doomulation]

Well actually Nintendo aren't stupid they do know what the consumer wants they just don't give it I've already given various examples as to what has happened due to "pad design" lack of "analog stick on DS"
I make my judgements based upon what has happened already and what may happen.

And again, maybe nintendo wants to tell them a message: "You don't need an analog stick to play a game." Do you ever concider this? I mean, games are pretty much playable even though the missing control stick.

Regardless of what Nintendo do wether it is innovative or not it relegates them to 3rd place I'm not bashing Nintendo what i am saying is that
With the X was the cause of Y and hence I would call it a mistake.

That does not matter.

I am the consumer i can judge and i will judge because at the end of the day Nintendo has a games machine which is a product like any other,
The fact that Nintendo does things differently isn't a problem however the fact that they do things differently affects my Gameplay experiences does bother me.
I mean for what logical reason didn't Nintendo's online strategy take off especially when it was perfectly capable of it.

There are many things at fault. Is there any fault at making somethind different? I think not. The developers choose not to develop for it, so there will be no sales of the machines and no games, thus less point in developing for it. Or, people don't want to buy the machine and hence less games will come. Which is it? Hardly nintendo's fault.

Also the fact is wether i think Nintendo is good or not point is the mass majority is what makes a console successful if you can persuade them then who cares of my opinion.
However my opinion becomes a negative one because of what has already happened.

As in that if one makes a mistake, you're marked for the life?

You are right this arguing is futile indeed opinions don't matter in the slightest besides my opinion isn't only my own its the majorities although hardcore minorities tend to disagree which is what i think is Nintendo's own failing.
countless amounts of multiplatform titles have failed to make it onto the Nintendo system and why is that i don't really know but my theory is that it is a Knock on affect

Maybe because some people are relucant to test things or just despise them, sticking to what they think is best. Because I really cannot see why a controller that seems so fine to me should hurt your thumbs, while neither controls hurt mine.

• Less people buy Nintendo due to
• Kiddy image
• Don't like the pad
• Less games

^^^^ The Consumer side

• Developers then consider smaller target audience
• Less games start to come out on Gamecube
• Less Effort being put into games ports on Cube

^^^^ Developers

Gaming experience starts to suffer due to the above

Ah yes, and whose fault is it? The developers or the consumers? Perhaps both? I'm guessing the last one.

Regardless of Nintendo supporters or haters the truth is that the consumers are who decides if a console or product is successful or not so i would simply say it would be good business sence to please them

Perhaps you have a dream... a dream to bring something different. Something that people will appreciate, yet they fear it as which is why they reject it without testing it.

Sony and Microsoft are getting it right this isn't about ideals of gaming because Nintendo like Sony and Microsoft are a business so of course they would want their machine to be the most successful

Besides I've already outlined i think that the Revolution will change gaming however i will doubt that many people will buy it.
As an example i can only say that everywhere else except Japan the DS is second to the PSP now i mean DS is innovative with totally new aspects of gameplay being introduced even in the launch titles however the consumers still go bonkers for the PSP and its graphics.

Proven point. Idiots are idiots. Do they test the DS? Do the FEEL the feel of the DS? No, they just make a snatch for the psp because of the GRAPHICS. That needs to change!

 

[Hexidecimal]

You people need a hobby.

Also, yes matthew, Resident Evil 4 sure does fall into the "Kiddie Image" nintendo has, go get fucked.

 

[matthew]

And again, maybe nintendo wants to tell them a message: "You don't need an analog stick to play a game." Do you ever concider this? I mean, games are pretty much playable even though the missing control stick.


That does not matter.


There are many things at fault. Is there any fault at making somethind different? I think not. The developers choose not to develop for it, so there will be no sales of the machines and no games, thus less point in developing for it. Or, people don't want to buy the machine and hence less games will come. Which is it? Hardly nintendo's fault.


As in that if one makes a mistake, you're marked for the life?


Maybe because some people are relucant to test things or just despise them, sticking to what they think is best. Because I really cannot see why a controller that seems so fine to me should hurt your thumbs, while neither controls hurt mine.


Ah yes, and whose fault is it? The developers or the consumers? Perhaps both? I'm guessing the last one.


Perhaps you have a dream... a dream to bring something different. Something that people will appreciate, yet they fear it as which is why they reject it without testing it.


Proven point. Idiots are idiots. Do they test the DS? Do the FEEL the feel of the DS? No, they just make a snatch for the psp because of the GRAPHICS. That needs to change!

I don't want to reply to everyone of those points because you make it into a long string of tit for tat posting where you dispute my opinion and i dispute yours I will however say this my experiences are my own thats why you don't understand them.
You look through the eyes of a Nintendo supporter where everything that Nintendo does is alright by you.
I look through the eyes of a gamer I just want my gameplay experience to be good. If its not as it should be for whatever reason I'm not going to just sit there and pretend whatever Nintendo does is fine.

Bottom line is I've already outlined Nintendo is a business and its job is to sell their product to consumers and if they can't give the consumers what they want how will they sell the product ?

This doesn't include the revolution because i believe they are addressing issues especially since the revolution has some kind of shell interface addressing gamers like myself

 

[matthew]

You people need a hobby.

Also, yes matthew, Resident Evil 4 sure does fall into the "Kiddie Image" nintendo has, go get fucked.

Of course it doesn't but thats a Capcom game.
Nintendo inhouse games are by far and large Mario based fantasy type games.

Anyways the point is that once the image is there its hard to get rid of it in the public eye

 

[GrumblyStuff]

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

GameCube controller: very comfortable, needs more buttons.
Xbox controller: FAT
Xbox S controller: a much better try, needs work on ergonomics.
PlayStation controller: analogue face buttons, wah? needs to be changed since most fighting games on the PS2 are played by having the right hand used palm down to finger the X, O, Sq, and Tri buttons

Now, there is a pratically limit to the number of buttons. Too many and you're forced to remember a lot. Not a problem for the hardcore and/or determined fans but (with start, select, and other "menu" buttons excluded) 2 sticks + D-pad and 13 buttons for the dualshock, 2 sticks + D-pad and um... 15 buttons for the Xbox controller (standard 4 face plus black/white butts, clickable analogue sticks, and 2 shoulders?), that's a bit much for controlling a game. I mean, I've played System Shock 2 for the PC and everything from look up/down, center look, med hypo, med kit, rad hypo, de-tox hypo, weapon keys covering all the numerical keys plus hyphen and equals, WASD, crouch, jump, toggle run, lean left/right, drop item, toggle interface, reload, change ammo, and change weapon mode are PRE-MAPPED to the keyboard by default. And that's just what I can remember but you know, it's awfully far from an intuitive control setup.

 

[Hexidecimal]

Of course it doesn't but thats a Capcom game.
Nintendo inhouse games are by far and large Mario based fantasy type games.

Anyways the point is that once the image is there its hard to get rid of it in the public eye

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second, You're dissing Nintendos FIRST PARTY?

Automatic disqualification for your sheer stupidity.

Nintendo by far makes some of the most original and addictive games, EVER. Also they hold the rights to the most successful franchises in gaming history or maybe you haven't heard of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, Kirby, Yoshi, Luigi, The list goes on.

You've completely discredited anything you've said by saying that Nintendo makes bad first party games. I wash my hands of you.

 

[matthew]

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second, You're dissing Nintendos FIRST PARTY? Automatic disqualification for your sheer stupidity. Nintendo by far makes some of the most original and addictive games, EVER. Also they hold the rights to the most successful franchises in gaming history or maybe you haven't heard of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, Kirby, Yoshi, Luigi, The list goes on. You've completely discredited anything you've said by saying that Nintendo makes bad first party games. I wash my hands of you.

Never did say they are a bad first party because Nintendo systems are made for Nintendo games. However endless Mario games doesn't help this situation of Kiddish Games. Its not really my opinion that they have childish games but its the stigma that is associated with them Also matey i've been around a lot longer than you Been playing Nintendo games since the dawn of NES so don't tell me i'm disqualified i'm as qualified as anyone else

LOL i didn't need your approval my opinions are just that and count as much as anyone elses

So to clarify you washing your hands of me means nothing to me or anyone else i'll wash my hands of you too

 

[matthew]

I've come to a conclusion: Code named The NINTENDO EQUATION:-

Nintendo is shit

 

[jonat3]

lol

Anyways, about Nintendo's image problem. I agree that they have put some effort in dispelling it, however they are still being plagued by that image. You still hear alot of people saying Nintendo is kiddie even if they aren't. It's all a matter of perception and i think Nintendo is doing something for the first time that may really work in dispelling that image in their latest effort.

 

[Doomulation]

This doesn't include the revolution because i believe they are addressing issues especially since the revolution has some kind of shell interface addressing gamers like myself

Actually, I think they were most for playing old games. But who knows?
And meh to your statement. I won't argue because it won't lead to anywhere.

 

[WhiteX]

I've come to a conclusion: Code named The NINTENDO EQUATION:-
(Nintendo is shit = Both of you are shit) x 2

Hexidecimal and Doomulation

Being again where i should not be, it got pointless and personal now, way to go boys!

 

[Hexidecimal]

Interesting how he demands to be heard about his opinion, but upon stating your own opinion, because it differs from his, you're shit. God I love the hipocracy.

 

[matthew]

Interesting how he demands to be heard about his opinion, but upon stating your own opinion, because it differs from his, you're shit. God I love the hipocracy.

Refer to Nintendo Equation