PS3 pwns all

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In case you read properly, then you would know that new technology tend to break more likely than old technology. Have you seen any blu-ray or hd-dvd player out there that plays its discs flawlessly? And is the hardware not bulky and heavy?
No? Well, maybe because they haven't really gotten the "touch" of producing hd-dvd/blu-ray players yet! Whereas, DVD on the other hand, has been along for a long time and they've gotten the hang of it.
That's the thing! The PS3's blu-ray player will probably be crap quality when manufacturers get a hang on producing blu-ray players and then we'll see excellent stand-alone blu-ray players. Same goes with hd-dvd.

Again, all you offer is pure SPECULATION. No facts, nothing to back those statements up. Just your own assumptions.

Well, I'm not talking about the quality of the VIDEO, but the quality my EYES see. And they're all the same to me.

Then you must be blind.

No, it adds a little more horsepower. And hey, what does PS3 have over its previous generation? Horsepower? The Rev has that too, you know... and that "gimmicky" controller is very nice (and fun) as you've heard from some people here who posted their impressions.

Sure, that's why Mario Universe looks practically identical to Mario Sunshine: the increase in the horsepower really shows there.

You have so little when you buy the game. And the rest you have to purchase seperately and it adds up.

The average gamer still won't spend $60 on purchases for the game, so it will still cost less for them than a full retail version.

Who said they should live? lain: Both groups should disappear.

Practice what you preach. Get off your high horse, and I MIGHT believe this statement from you is sincere.

I'm not saying it will, but what IF. Hypothetically speaking. Why don't you just answer the question?

Sure. If you magically get Squaresoft to cancel Final Fantasy 13 for PS3, Konami to cancel Metal Gear Solid 4, Polyvision to cancel Gran Turismo HD, Rockstar to cancel Grand Theft Auto 4, Sony to cancel Heavenly Sword, Sony to cancel Motorstorm, EA to cancel Burnout 5, etc... And then have them all moved over to the Wii and then somehow magically make that console powerful enough to run them, then sure. But then, don't hold your breath, because that's not going to happen any time soon.

You should know that I will not venture to GE anymore, and you could probably figure out why...
Anyhow, that person didn't say it was "OMG, sucks!" like you do. And a lot of people actually enjoy the controller. Have you ever tried it?

You're not the only person I pasted that link in here for, so quit being so self-centered. And you'll note, he's not as crazy about it as you think everyone is either.

 

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Again, all you offer is pure SPECULATION. No facts, nothing to back those statements up. Just your own assumptions.

That's a fact. All new technology is bound to fail at some time until it becomes more mainstream. That's the way with everything - and if you can't see it, why, then you must be blind! Gee, I wonder why a Microsoft Xbox 360 MELTED when it was a version purchased shortly after launch? And now no model does? Why, I think that Microsoft is finally getting the hang on how to produce the little sucker correctly. Same goes for blu-ray / hd-dvd and mostly everything.

Then you must be blind.

No, sir, you must be blind. Many will agree that DVD quality is very good. And like it or not, everyone does not care for HD and not everyone believes that HD is so superior.
Wait, maybe it's because a sit a little bit away from the TV and it's just 28 inch or something. I don't sit 10 cm away with a 60 inch TV. Maybe that's why I find the quality okay.

Sure, that's why Mario Universe looks practically identical to Mario Sunshine: the increase in the horsepower really shows there.

Once again, your ignorance shows. What can be done with horsepower? I do wonder... it can be spent on a number of things, like better graphics (perhaps this is not the case with this game), larger areas, more complex calculations, more lightning effects or other things like that...

The average gamer still won't spend $60 on purchases for the game, so it will still cost less for them than a full retail version.

Right. Well, the pay-for-what-you-use is getting all more common. And that's because game creation costs is spiraling.

Practice what you preach. Get off your high horse, and I MIGHT believe this statement from you is sincere.

Hah! If you haven't magically figured it out by now, you are in my book because you're on one of those sides. You simply can't accept what's a little different and totally bash Nintendo (and Revolution) for non-truths like a kiddie company, pathetic games, etc. And why, I bet you haven't even tested the console yet!

Sure. If you magically get Squaresoft to cancel Final Fantasy 13 for PS3, Konami to cancel Metal Gear Solid 4, Polyvision to cancel Gran Turismo HD, Rockstar to cancel Grand Theft Auto 4, Sony to cancel Heavenly Sword, Sony to cancel Motorstorm, EA to cancel Burnout 5, etc... And then have them all moved over to the Wii and then somehow magically make that console powerful enough to run them, then sure. But then, don't hold your breath, because that's not going to happen any time soon.

I'm not counting on that happening, don't worry...

You're not the only person I pasted that link in here for, so quit being so self-centered. And you'll note, he's not as crazy about it as you think everyone is either.

I could say you're self-centered as well... and I'm not thinking everyone is "crazy" over the machine either. Many are. Many are not. Same thing with your PS3.

 

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No offense to the guy who made the original post, but I can't stand people who can't communicate in a mature way. How would anyone take his opinion seriously when he can't even spell half the stuff he is typing (even if intentional). Sorry but that wouldn't exactly be my star witness when trying to prove a point.

Well, that's just Nevermore's style. Ask anyone at NGEmu that's familiar with him, and they'll tell you he's a little different. I don't discredit his opinion just because of his style of posting. He stood in line for hours, bought the system, and gave an honest opinion (even if it was a bit heavy on the joking side). I'm not using him as a witness, it was just a post I noticed when I went in there.

That's a fact. All new technology is bound to fail at some time until it becomes more mainstream. That's the way with everything - and if you can't see it, why, then you must be blind! Gee, I wonder why a Microsoft Xbox 360 MELTED when it was a version purchased shortly after launch? And now no model does? Why, I think that Microsoft is finally getting the hang on how to produce the little sucker correctly. Same goes for blu-ray / hd-dvd and mostly everything.

Yeah, well, I never claimed to be a fan of the X360 either, I just said it's superior to the Wii (which it is). And I like that "All new technology is bound to fail at some time until it becomes more mainstream." Hmmm, so all new technology is, gotcha. So that's the science to it right? No need to have quality assurance checks, because companies should know that if it's new, it's gonna break. Give me a break.

No, sir, you must be blind. Many will agree that DVD quality is very good. And like it or not, everyone does not care for HD and not everyone believes that HD is so superior.
Wait, maybe it's because a sit a little bit away from the TV and it's just 28 inch or something. I don't sit 10 cm away with a 60 inch TV. Maybe that's why I find the quality okay.

I use a 15 inch LCD monitor on my PC (not big by any means) and I don't sit very close to it, and I can see the difference between an HD copy of a movie versus the original DVD. And yeah, you said it best DVD quality is OK, but if you can have better than OK, why settle?

Once again, your ignorance shows. What can be done with horsepower? I do wonder... it can be spent on a number of things, like better graphics (perhaps this is not the case with this game), larger areas, more complex calculations, more lightning effects or other things like that...

Here's a clue: NONE OF THE GAMES LOOK TOO POWERFUL FOR THE GAMECUBE TO HANDLE. Meaning, they could have probably made a new controller for the Gamecube and put all these new games on it instead of forcing people to buy a new console.

Right. Well, the pay-for-what-you-use is getting all more common. And that's because game creation costs is spiraling.

Actually, because people don't want to pay for things they don't use. This gives them the choice to only buy what they want as an individual. It's like, go to a record store and buy an entire CD because you like one song. Take the disc home, play it, and realize that one song was the only good one on the album. Well, you just paid for an entire CD that has 10 or more tracks to basically get one song.

Hah! If you haven't magically figured it out by now, you are in my book because you're on one of those sides. You simply can't accept what's a little different and totally bash Nintendo (and Revolution) for non-truths like a kiddie company, pathetic games, etc. And why, I bet you haven't even tested the console yet!

Your book, huh? What book is that? That the one that anyone who has a different opinion than you winds up in? If so, cool. As for testing the console, I probably never will. Nothing it offers appeals to me, so I have a complete lack of interest in even giving it a second look.

I'm not counting on that happening, don't worry...

Which then puts your "hypothesis" to rest.

 

[Doomulation]

Yeah, well, I never claimed to be a fan of the X360 either, I just said it's superior to the Wii (which it is). And I like that "All new technology is bound to fail at some time until it becomes more mainstream." Hmmm, so all new technology is, gotcha. So that's the science to it right? No need to have quality assurance checks, because companies should know that if it's new, it's gonna break. Give me a break.

Point is, if you slap something together you made at home, it's not bound to work the first time you power it on, right? If you program something or edit something (like board software), it's bound to fail the first timel, right? At least until you iron out the bugs.
Yes, all the new tech go through that "iron out all the bugs" part. And the number of bugs that the consumer will notice depends on how difficult this technology is to produce and how good testing the company has made it.

Does this make sense to you?

I use a 15 inch LCD monitor on my PC (not big by any means) and I don't sit very close to it, and I can see the difference between an HD copy of a movie versus the original DVD. And yeah, you said it best DVD quality is OK, but if you can have better than OK, why settle?

Remember that different people see things different ways. I'm not an audiophile, nor a videophile. DVD is plenty for me. Why do I need HD when it's so expensive and DVD quality is enough?

Here's a clue: NONE OF THE GAMES LOOK TOO POWERFUL FOR THE GAMECUBE TO HANDLE. Meaning, they could have probably made a new controller for the Gamecube and put all these new games on it instead of forcing people to buy a new console.

There are many things going on in the background that we do not see. Perhaps they upped some of that? Although, maybe they just didn't want to actually up the graphics anything, but Nintendo believes current games are plenty.

Actually, because people don't want to pay for things they don't use. This gives them the choice to only buy what they want as an individual. It's like, go to a record store and buy an entire CD because you like one song. Take the disc home, play it, and realize that one song was the only good one on the album. Well, you just paid for an entire CD that has 10 or more tracks to basically get one song.

Your arguments fail on the point that to purchase the "entire" game, you need to pay more than the retail price. They don't split up what features you want and not. They made it optional because no one was going to pay $200 for a video game. But if they stole a little money now and then...

Your book, huh? What book is that? That the one that anyone who has a different opinion than you winds up in? If so, cool. As for testing the console, I probably never will. Nothing it offers appeals to me, so I have a complete lack of interest in even giving it a second look.

And that's what's wrong with you. Ever heard of try and buy? Well, you should. Try the console AND the controller before saying it sucks.

I haven't tested the PS3, but then again... I see sony as an evil company whose domination needs to stop... that and that they stupid console is too expensive and... well, it doesn't come to europe before mars!

Which then puts your "hypothesis" to rest.

T'was a test, nothing more.

 

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Point is, if you slap something together you made at home, it's not bound to work the first time you power it on, right? If you program something or edit something (like board software), it's bound to fail the first timel, right? At least until you iron out the bugs.
Yes, all the new tech go through that "iron out all the bugs" part. And the number of bugs that the consumer will notice depends on how difficult this technology is to produce and how good testing the company has made it.

Sure, if you either don't know what you're doing in the first place or don't test the product before release, that's bound to happen. But Sony isn't new to this, they've been in the business long enough now to know when a system's ready for public release. You're crazy if you don't think they have people test it before it goes out the door.

Remember that different people see things different ways. I'm not an audiophile, nor a videophile. DVD is plenty for me. Why do I need HD when it's so expensive and DVD quality is enough?

HD players and content are getting cheaper by the day. And for me, DVD quality isn't enough if there's something that can deliver a better experience. I take my entertainment buys very seriously, and I want the best I can get.

There are many things going on in the background that we do not see. Perhaps they upped some of that? Although, maybe they just didn't want to actually up the graphics anything, but Nintendo believes current games are plenty.

Well, you don't hear anything about these games that separate them from Gamecube games at all, minus the "Wiimote". And who really cares what Nintendo believes? My wants don't matter anymore? That's the problem with Nintendo: they're so convinced they know what a gamer wants, they don't listen to anyone, and just make decisions based around how cheap it can be done. Sony listened to what gamers wanted (more than a few people asked for HD capability, and they delivered on it).

Your arguments fail on the point that to purchase the "entire" game, you need to pay more than the retail price. They don't split up what features you want and not. They made it optional because no one was going to pay $200 for a video game. But if they stole a little money now and then...

Again, nobody says you have to buy EVERYTHING. Unless you manage money very carelessly or are rich, the game will still wind up giving you what you want for less than the full retail.

And that's what's wrong with you. Ever heard of try and buy? Well, you should. Try the console AND the controller before saying it sucks.

I haven't tested the PS3, but then again... I see sony as an evil company whose domination needs to stop... that and that they stupid console is too expensive and... well, it doesn't come to europe before mars!

Amazing how you want me to do what you're not willing to do. Hypocritical in every sense. You want me to give Gamecube 2 a chance (and in fact are practically demanding it), yet you aren't willing to do the same for PS3. And you call me self-centered.

 

[Doomulation]

Sure, if you either don't know what you're doing in the first place or don't test the product before release, that's bound to happen. But Sony isn't new to this, they've been in the business long enough now to know when a system's ready for public release. You're crazy if you don't think they have people test it before it goes out the door.

Ahem. You're missing the point. Again.
Everything has quirky bugs. That's the way things are. And these bugs needs to be ironed out to make a good product. But to iron out all the bugs can take quite a while. Those bugs are still in blu-ray / hd-dvd because they're fairly new. They just haven't gotten around to fixing them yet. But Sony isn't willing to wait to fix those bugs. Instead they force it out in their console.

EVERYTHING has bugs! And they take TIME to sort out. And that's what makes a good product.
And I'm not willing to admit Sony is good at testing. How many PS2 units did not fail somehow? Sony is not the best at product quality. They are like Microsoft--rushing out products before they're ready - before all the bugs are ironed out.

HD players and content are getting cheaper by the day. And for me, DVD quality isn't enough if there's something that can deliver a better experience. I take my entertainment buys very seriously, and I want the best I can get.

But it isn't cheap enough! And without an HD tv to see the contents I'd rather not have any HD crap to ups the cost of a console.

Well, you don't hear anything about these games that separate them from Gamecube games at all, minus the "Wiimote". And who really cares what Nintendo believes? My wants don't matter anymore? That's the problem with Nintendo: they're so convinced they know what a gamer wants, they don't listen to anyone, and just make decisions based around how cheap it can be done. Sony listened to what gamers wanted (more than a few people asked for HD capability, and they delivered on it).

Ha! I could say the same! As a Nintendo fan, I say that Nintendo is giving me everything I want: a new, exciting way to play games! What does Sony do? They give me everything I DON'T want.

Again, nobody says you have to buy EVERYTHING. Unless you manage money very carelessly or are rich, the game will still wind up giving you what you want for less than the full retail.

The point still stands They're hoping to slowly milk everything out from you... simply because none would pay $200 for a game.

Amazing how you want me to do what you're not willing to do. Hypocritical in every sense. You want me to give Gamecube 2 a chance (and in fact are practically demanding it), yet you aren't willing to do the same for PS3. And you call me self-centered.

Maybe you missing the whole point about the PS3 coming to europe in mars?

 

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Ahem. You're missing the point. Again.
Everything has quirky bugs. That's the way things are. And these bugs needs to be ironed out to make a good product. But to iron out all the bugs can take quite a while. Those bugs are still in blu-ray / hd-dvd because they're fairly new. They just haven't gotten around to fixing them yet. But Sony isn't willing to wait to fix those bugs. Instead they force it out in their console.

Which is why I didn't buy a PS3 the day it came out. I intend to wait a while. I want the console BAD, but I'm no fool either. Anyone that buys a console the day it comes out is paying too much to take the risk, Wii included.

EVERYTHING has bugs! And they take TIME to sort out. And that's what makes a good product.
And I'm not willing to admit Sony is good at testing. How many PS2 units did not fail somehow? Sony is not the best at product quality. They are like Microsoft--rushing out products before they're ready - before all the bugs are ironed out.

A repeat of what you just said, only in different words, see above reply.

But it isn't cheap enough! And without an HD tv to see the contents I'd rather not have any HD crap to ups the cost of a console.

How cheap do you want it? Geesh. Are you a penny pincher? Because you sure come across as a cheapskate.

Ha! I could say the same! As a Nintendo fan, I say that Nintendo is giving me everything I want: a new, exciting way to play games! What does Sony do? They give me everything I DON'T want.

And as a FORMER Nintendo fan, I can say they've let me down too many times now for me to stay a loyal customer.

The point still stands They're hoping to slowly milk everything out from you... simply because none would pay $200 for a game.

Again, it all comes down to how you manage your money. If you're careless with it, you deserve to get ripped off.

Maybe you missing the whole point about the PS3 coming to europe in mars?

Maybe because that doesn't make any sense. If you mean the late Europe release, it's not that long of a delay. They'll be there in March.

 

[Doomulation]

Which is why I didn't buy a PS3 the day it came out. I intend to wait a while. I want the console BAD, but I'm no fool either. Anyone that buys a console the day it comes out is paying too much to take the risk, Wii included.

A repeat of what you just said, only in different words, see above reply.

I agree. And there's where Blu-ray comes in. It's new. It has bugs. Therefore Sony should wait to include it to when all the nasty bugs are ironed out. But they don't. They rush it out.

How cheap do you want it? Geesh. Are you a penny pincher? Because you sure come across as a cheapskate.

Perhaps I just don't have as much money as you. An HD-DVD player costs at least $500 and Blu-ray player $1000. And they have bugs. Bad bugs.
A good HDTV costs $2000 at least, from what I've seen in local prices. Too much.

And as a FORMER Nintendo fan, I can say they've let me down too many times now for me to stay a loyal customer.

Then know that they haven't let me down. They've made me more excited. Long live Nintendo!

Again, it all comes down to how you manage your money. If you're careless with it, you deserve to get ripped off.

Maybe, but who says you're willing to live with the little material they've given you? You WILL carve for more, that's the way of our nature.

Maybe because that doesn't make any sense. If you mean the late Europe release, it's not that long of a delay. They'll be there in March.

Living in Europe, it's hard to test what isn't available.
Do I actually tend to get a PS3? No. Why?
1) It's still too expensive.
2) It sucks 380 watt.
Believe me, there are some games that I'd like to get my hands on. Them being Heavenly Sword (from what little I've seen) and FF13.
And what am I to do with a blu-ray player when I will never watch Blu-ray movies? I want blu-ray to die simply because Sony is backing it. I'd rather go with HD-DVD. When I have an HD tv, of course...
And what to do with all those multimedia functions... hmm, well. I have a computer. Fancy that! And the PC will always be more compatible than the PS3. And what to do with a castrated Linux, an operating system, aside from that Sony castrated it, I don't even know?

If Sony fixes these issues, I may reconsider, but until then...

 

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I agree. And there's where Blu-ray comes in. It's new. It has bugs. Therefore Sony should wait to include it to when all the nasty bugs are ironed out. But they don't. They rush it out.

Blu Ray won't be new forever. And as for these "nasty bugs", care to show me something that backs that claim up, rather than some unsupported, generic comment?

Perhaps I just don't have as much money as you. An HD-DVD player costs at least $500 and Blu-ray player $1000. And they have bugs. Bad bugs.
A good HDTV costs $2000 at least, from what I've seen in local prices. Too much.

I've seen Blu Ray players on ebay for ~$575 (gee, not much cheaper than PS3, go figure). And HDTV's here can be had for ~$1000, sometimes less (and I'm talking 32 inches or larger).

Then know that they haven't let me down. They've made me more excited. Long live Nintendo!

Then you have low standards from my point of view (and alot of others as well).

Maybe, but who says you're willing to live with the little material they've given you? You WILL carve for more, that's the way of our nature.

Well obviously you need to get some things for it. But keep track of what you do buy and how much you've spent, and that won't be an issue for most.

Living in Europe, it's hard to test what isn't available.
Do I actually tend to get a PS3? No. Why?
1) It's still too expensive.
2) It sucks 380 watt.
Believe me, there are some games that I'd like to get my hands on. Them being Heavenly Sword (from what little I've seen) and FF13.
And what am I to do with a blu-ray player when I will never watch Blu-ray movies? I want blu-ray to die simply because Sony is backing it. I'd rather go with HD-DVD. When I have an HD tv, of course...

What happened to DVD being enough? I thought it all looked the same to you......

And what to do with all those multimedia functions... hmm, well. I have a computer. Fancy that! And the PC will always be more compatible than the PS3. And what to do with a castrated Linux, an operating system, aside from that Sony castrated it, I don't even know?

If Sony fixes these issues, I may reconsider, but until then...

Yeah, and I could say the same for Wii (while it's price is the cheapest) $250 is too much to spend on a revamped Gamecube. As for multimedia, it's a matter of convenience. I don't have to worry about getting a second PC just for the TV now, instead all my digital media can be streamed through the PS3 to it. Sounds convenient to me.

 

[Doomulation]

Blu Ray won't be new forever. And as for these "nasty bugs", care to show me something that backs that claim up, rather than some unsupported, generic comment?

Blu-ray is too new. We've all seen how much Sony struggles with the Blu-ray. That's my point. I'm sure there are horror stories out there on the web about the blu-ray, but I'm not going to hunt them down.

I've seen Blu Ray players on ebay for ~$575 (gee, not much cheaper than PS3, go figure). And HDTV's here can be had for ~$1000, sometimes less (and I'm talking 32 inches or larger).

Well, ebay doesn't count. I speak of retail prices. And ~$575 is too much.
Concerning, HDTV... well, it depends on what you're looking for. If you want a 42 inch+ TV w/ 1920 x 1080 native resolution w/ 1080p support, you're not going to find them so cheap yet.

Then you have low standards from my point of view (and alot of others as well).

Nope. I carve good, intuitive games with little or no loading times. Can't say that for sony. They've even took the damned thing one step further with the whole installation and crap. Loading times can up to 10-15 seconds. Way too much.
And I carve for fun games where not all is put into graphics. Like Twilight Princess. A must get.

Well obviously you need to get some things for it. But keep track of what you do buy and how much you've spent, and that won't be an issue for most.

This is just the beginning. If this trend continues, we'll see more and more games of this type. You pay to get the DVD, or the basic game, then you pay again to get the rest of the game.

What happened to DVD being enough? I thought it all looked the same to you......

Indeed, it is enough. Considering that HD stuff is so expensive. I'm probably betting HD is better than DVD quality, but at what cost? It's not worth it right now.

Yeah, and I could say the same for Wii (while it's price is the cheapest) $250 is too much to spend on a revamped Gamecube. As for multimedia, it's a matter of convenience. I don't have to worry about getting a second PC just for the TV now, instead all my digital media can be streamed through the PS3 to it. Sounds convenient to me.

I could say $600 is too much for a console that offers nothing more than revamped graphics.
The multimedia crap sounds stupid to me. There are plenty of multimedia devices on the market and we don't need another. Besides, the PC will be more compatible every day. No beating that.

 

[General Plot]

I love these thoughtless posts, I really do, I mean you get some great stuff to quote.:teehee:

Blu-ray is too new. We've all seen how much Sony struggles with the Blu-ray. That's my point. I'm sure there are horror stories out there on the web about the blu-ray, but I'm not going to hunt them down.

So..... you're so convinced there's all these major "bugs", and yet haven't done any research on it. Typical.

Well, ebay doesn't count. I speak of retail prices. And ~$575 is too much.
Concerning, HDTV... well, it depends on what you're looking for. If you want a 42 inch+ TV w/ 1920 x 1080 native resolution w/ 1080p support, you're not going to find them so cheap yet.

Excuse me, but the majority of the time, ebay's prices reflect those of the retail market. It's not THAT much cheaper to shop there. And as for expensive HDTV's, well, that's what comes with living in Europe I suppose. Seems Europeans are always getting screwed when it comes to technology, but then, I'm not in Europe.

Nope. I carve good, intuitive games with little or no loading times. Can't say that for sony. They've even took the damned thing one step further with the whole installation and crap. Loading times can up to 10-15 seconds. Way too much.
And I carve for fun games where not all is put into graphics. Like Twilight Princess. A must get.

Yeah, loading times. Especially when you only have to install once to make Gran Turismo HD go from XMB menu to ingame in a few seconds. Oh, the agony of the wait. Note: Zelda TP could have been easily pulled off on a Gamecube.

This is just the beginning. If this trend continues, we'll see more and more games of this type. You pay to get the DVD, or the basic game, then you pay again to get the rest of the game.

Yeah, how horrible is that? We'll get more games that let us only pay for what we want. We're doomed. Seriously, it's this new type of marketing that's made the $0.99 downloadable song so popular.

Indeed, it is enough. Considering that HD stuff is so expensive. I'm probably betting HD is better than DVD quality, but at what cost? It's not worth it right now.

I'm sorry, that's not vague enough for me, could you be a little less specific? "I'm probably betting HD is better", well, what exactly is that? You're not even sure of your own opinion about HD, yet you're ready to downplay it?

I could say $600 is too much for a console that offers nothing more than revamped graphics.
The multimedia crap sounds stupid to me. There are plenty of multimedia devices on the market and we don't need another. Besides, the PC will be more compatible every day. No beating that.

Price of new PC to use as media center for TV: $800 if you're cheap. Price of a PS3 that can serve the same purpose: $600 max. Sound business choice on Sony's part to include that extra functionality.

 

[matthew]

The first set of games on PS2 also sucked (remember how the first Ridge Racer looked on it?)



GTA4 was announced a long time ago as making it's way on to PS3 and XBOX 360, but of course, not for the Wii.


Ever seen that movie "Pirates Of Silicon Valley"? There was a line that Steve Joebs said to Bill Gates (comparing Apple to Microsoft): "We're better than you, we have better stuff." Bill's reply: "You don't get it. That doesn't matter." Hopefully you see where I'm going with that.

What on earth are you talking about you said that you wasn't quite sure about Gamecube being able to handle God of war and its as simple as of course it is

 

[Nevermore]

No offense to the guy who made the original post, but I can't stand people who can't communicate in a mature way. How would anyone take his opinion seriously when he can't even spell half the stuff he is typing (even if intentional). Sorry but that wouldn't exactly be my star witness when trying to prove a point.

As for the Wii and PS3 I will get both just I like I did with the PS1/N64, PS2/GC, PSP/DS(and GBA). I think they both look great and have their ups and downs. I usually play my sports/RPG games on the Sony systems and my more fun entertaining multi player party type games on the Nintendo systems.

I love you too

 

[Doomulation]

So..... you're so convinced there's all these major "bugs", and yet haven't done any research on it. Typical.

Gimme a reason why they wouldn't be? And no doubt the players will be packed with more goodies when they debut later on. And I don't want to take any side before the war is over.

Excuse me, but the majority of the time, ebay's prices reflect those of the retail market. It's not THAT much cheaper to shop there.

No, not always. PS3's and Wii's are more expensive in ebay then in retail, for example. Not to mention that I have snagged a few deals where I got off cheap.

And as for expensive HDTV's, well, that's what comes with living in Europe I suppose. Seems Europeans are always getting screwed when it comes to technology, but then, I'm not in Europe.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, they are too expensive to buy right now which makes me say no to HD.

Yeah, loading times. Especially when you only have to install once to make Gran Turismo HD go from XMB menu to ingame in a few seconds. Oh, the agony of the wait.

You're probably used to them playing around with Sony products all the time. Well, we, on Nintendo's side, has had the luxury of missing them. And it's a real paint to wait. I hate loading times, and so does Nintendo obviously.

Note: Zelda TP could have been easily pulled off on a Gamecube.

I know that, but not the control scheme. Zelda TP IS a GC game with the new control (the Rev version anyway).

Yeah, how horrible is that? We'll get more games that let us only pay for what we want. We're doomed. Seriously, it's this new type of marketing that's made the $0.99 downloadable song so popular.

It means that in the future, you pay $60 for a race game and you get one stage and one car. The rest you need to pay more for.

I'm sorry, that's not vague enough for me, could you be a little less specific? "I'm probably betting HD is better", well, what exactly is that? You're not even sure of your own opinion about HD, yet you're ready to downplay it?

I don't have an HDTV. Therefore I can't watch HD material. Yeah, I've looked at some HD material on the computer and frankly, it looks like DVD quality. Maybe that's because the monitor is too small; it's only 24 inch after all.
So yes, there you have it. HD will be the future, but it isn't worth it right now.

Price of new PC to use as media center for TV: $800 if you're cheap. Price of a PS3 that can serve the same purpose: $600 max. Sound business choice on Sony's part to include that extra functionality.

Oh good for you. Me and my PC will beat the crap out of the PS3 is anything, anytime.

 

[BlueFalcon7]

Sony only shipped 250,000 units to America to compinsate for its low demand. They did it, because those who did want one, would want one for ebay, and so the press would get involved. Thats how Sony does their systems.

People just dont seem to face the fact that PS3 is not worth getting right now. Buying a PS3 for a Blu Ray player is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or getting a 360 so they can play xbox games.

People who buy a PS3 on ebay, should look up "3rd world country" Maybe support ending world hunger, instead of asian invasion (Im referring to Sony.)

I have to agree with what maddox sais about sony

 

[General Plot]

Gimme a reason why they wouldn't be? And no doubt the players will be packed with more goodies when they debut later on. And I don't want to take any side before the war is over.

Brilliance. That's the best you can come up with? "Gimme a reason why they wouldn't be." Please. Stop. You're killing me here. XD

No, not always. PS3's and Wii's are more expensive in ebay then in retail, for example. Not to mention that I have snagged a few deals where I got off cheap.

Yeah, bring up something that's in high demand and low in availability: way to prove your point.....NOT. Try pricing either system when they are more common, and you'll find they won't cost so much (dar, go figure ).

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, they are too expensive to buy right now which makes me say no to HD.

Millions have already said yes to it. You can't speak for everybody.

You're probably used to them playing around with Sony products all the time. Well, we, on Nintendo's side, has had the luxury of missing them. And it's a real paint to wait. I hate loading times, and so does Nintendo obviously.

Yeah, simple games would require next to know loading time. I think I'll sacrifice a few seconds of my life and wait while the better game takes a second to load.

I know that, but not the control scheme. Zelda TP IS a GC game with the new control (the Rev version anyway).

And I know they could have simply made this controller for a Gamecube which would have defeated the purpose of a Wii in the first place (you'll notice this has been my point all along).

It means that in the future, you pay $60 for a race game and you get one stage and one car. The rest you need to pay more for.

Riiiight. So that $1 disc later will cost full retail and come with next to nothing. Yeah, I can REALLY see them doing that.

I don't have an HDTV. Therefore I can't watch HD material. Yeah, I've looked at some HD material on the computer and frankly, it looks like DVD quality. Maybe that's because the monitor is too small; it's only 24 inch after all.
So yes, there you have it. HD will be the future, but it isn't worth it right now.

If it looked like DVD material, you were probably watching upscaled crap. Go to a store and just have a look at one. It only takes about one second to see the difference.

Oh good for you. Me and my PC will beat the crap out of the PS3 is anything, anytime.

ROFL. You and your PC will beat the crap out of a PS3. That's great. I'm sure it will stand a fair fight considering it's an inanimate object that is not going to fight back.

 

[Doomulation]

Brilliance. That's the best you can come up with? "Gimme a reason why they wouldn't be." Please. Stop. You're killing me here. XD

No really. No tech = buggy. No way around it. I would be VERY surprised if it wasn't.

Yeah, bring up something that's in high demand and low in availability: way to prove your point.....NOT. Try pricing either system when they are more common, and you'll find they won't cost so much (dar, go figure ).

Point is, ebay and auctions in general, are a double-edged sword. Some things go cheaper, some things go way more expensive.

Millions have already said yes to it. You can't speak for everybody.

Note that I am speaking for myself.

Yeah, simple games would require next to know loading time. I think I'll sacrifice a few seconds of my life and wait while the better game takes a second to load.

Metroid Prime, anyone? Big, 3d-ish game with good graphics for its time. Very little loading times.

And I know they could have simply made this controller for a Gamecube which would have defeated the purpose of a Wii in the first place (you'll notice this has been my point all along).

Indeed. But with the new console comes Online Play, WiiConnecr26, Mii, weather and news channel and a way for all games to take advantage of motion instead of some add-on. Plus, of course, what you like the most - more horsepower.

Riiiight. So that $1 disc later will cost full retail and come with next to nothing. Yeah, I can REALLY see them doing that.

I can REALLY see them do that. That or include a lot of commerical into games, kinda like movies (with long loading times to show off that commerical). Oh hey, there's a thought! Maybe the games should include and show commerical while it's loading! Brilliant!

If it looked like DVD material, you were probably watching upscaled crap. Go to a store and just have a look at one. It only takes about one second to see the difference.

Get over it. Everyone does not see HD as much better than DVD. And I'm one of them.

 

[Keith]

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[General Plot]

No really. No tech = buggy. No way around it. I would be VERY surprised if it wasn't.

Again, pure speculation. Brings me back to my original point. You can't talk about something as if it's fact when you haven't even researched it yourself.

Point is, ebay and auctions in general, are a double-edged sword. Some things go cheaper, some things go way more expensive.

You'll find most buy it now deals are on par with standard retail on MOST electronics.

Note that I am speaking for myself.

Note that you sound like you're trying to speak for everyone.

Metroid Prime, anyone? Big, 3d-ish game with good graphics for its time. Very little loading times.

Ha! I've actually played that game, and what do you know? There's a few seconds of loading time. Gee, figure that. Complex games need some loading time.

Indeed. But with the new console comes Online Play, WiiConnecr26, Mii, weather and news channel and a way for all games to take advantage of motion instead of some add-on. Plus, of course, what you like the most - more horsepower.

Errr, Gamecube has the BBA, so it can go online too, and that extra junk. Let me guess, multimedia isn't important, but a weather and news bug is. Gotcha. And no, there's no display of more horsepower in ANY of the Wii's titles thus far.

I can REALLY see them do that. That or include a lot of commerical into games, kinda like movies (with long loading times to show off that commerical). Oh hey, there's a thought! Maybe the games should include and show commerical while it's loading! Brilliant!

Just because you wish they'd shoot themselves in the foot that way doesn't mean they're going to.

Get over it. Everyone does not see HD as much better than DVD. And I'm one of them.

Yeah, you'll always get those people that don't care about quality. Guess games aren't too important to them either, which is why they buy a Wii.

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[Doomulation]

Again, pure speculation. Brings me back to my original point. You can't talk about something as if it's fact when you haven't even researched it yourself.

Oh, I've done research on the subject that new technology or new equipment tends to fail.

You'll find most buy it now deals are on par with standard retail on MOST electronics.

Pure speculation! Price varies by demand.

Note that you sound like you're trying to speak for everyone.

Then know that I am not.

Ha! I've actually played that game, and what do you know? There's a few seconds of loading time. Gee, figure that. Complex games need some loading time.

Okay, I'm confused. Where did I say no loading times? I said "very little." Not 15 seconds. Plus it also does it in real time; you can fool around in the game while it's loading.

Errr, Gamecube has the BBA, so it can go online too, and that extra junk. Let me guess, multimedia isn't important, but a weather and news bug is. Gotcha. And no, there's no display of more horsepower in ANY of the Wii's titles thus far.

But how many games were online? One or two?
Weather and news aren't import, but they are part of the new console, see? Extra functionality for the Revolution. Oh and, I THINK that weather might come in handy... I don't have to wait 20 secs for the computer to boot and visit a weather site to see today's weather. And before you ask, I never watch the weather on TV...
Just because you can't SEE there is no horsepower doesn't mean there ISN'T any. Besides, it is a FACT that the Revolution is more powerful than the GC. I kid you not. Check the specs.

Just because you wish they'd shoot themselves in the foot that way doesn't mean they're going to.

I see it as a trend. Games are becoming like movies. Movies are expensive. Movies often need strong backing up of a big company or need sponsors. Either way, there is a lot of commercial involved.

Yeah, you'll always get those people that don't care about quality. Guess games aren't too important to them either, which is why they buy a Wii.

Right... maybe you're just jealous because they find the Revolution has something else than just horsepower.