Bush Doesn't Know how to React when faced with a real opponent
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AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
2fast4u said:
Ok in this situation, you whip out $100 and the entire sickness is paid for, and during that month, or period of months, is the only time that your expenses may rise to $600. The rest of the time you save lots of money.
Thats how deductables work. You have to pay $20 or so every time you see a doctor, that way there is at least some burden of money on you, and you don't just go see the doctor because you woke up backwards one morning, or get surgeries right and left when they aren't absolutely necessary. This saves money for the insurance company, and that savings makes its way back to you by cutting off $200 or so from your monthly bill. I don't know about you, but it will be rare if I see a doctor more than four times in a year, two of those visits are for dental checkups, and one will usualy be for a vision check. Everybody I know who sees a doctor more than that is either very very old, was born with massive genetic defect(s), has suffered severe physical trauma before, or is a hypochondriac in desperate need of more sugar pills.
Now, you actualy can get insurance where there is zero deductable for anything, and there are no extra costs no matter how sick you are, but it's about as expensive as what your paying for your NHS.
In the united states, this is called medicare. The rich get taxed up the butt, everybody else gets taxed mildly. Life threatening illnesses/injuries that have a good chance of recovery will be taken care of by the government if the subject is poor. Immunizations are also covered for them.
If the poor get a mild sickness, so they have to tough it out, big deal? Thats what I always do anyways. Hell, both of the last times that I had the flu I continued to work and go to school. Now the condition with my knee and with my eyes was non life threatening, in fact I could have lived with it forever, just had to deal with it, and it realy wouldn't have even been that bad. I had the luxury of getting surgery, just like I have the luxury of owning a PC, a stereo, etc.
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vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
Well I have no problem with the NHS and I cannot afford private healthcare either. I guess we are heretics then 
Also say you were in a serious accident, think the paramedics will give a shit about your bupa card? No shit they will get you to the first hospital there is, so you would probably end up in a NHS hospital and I bet my ass you wouldnt be making moral objections while they are saving your life.
Also perhaps the government should be doing something about this instead of throwing money at it and they pointing and crying about it. Its a system that obviously needs monitoring closely and perhaps it could be the fault of the government and not the NHS?
Also say you were in a serious accident, think the paramedics will give a shit about your bupa card? No shit they will get you to the first hospital there is, so you would probably end up in a NHS hospital and I bet my ass you wouldnt be making moral objections while they are saving your life.
Also perhaps the government should be doing something about this instead of throwing money at it and they pointing and crying about it. Its a system that obviously needs monitoring closely and perhaps it could be the fault of the government and not the NHS?
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AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
The ideal private insurance company is one that will cover any surgery in any emergency situation, no matter where it's done. I don't know of any that don't do this. And the way a hospital works (here anyways), is they give you enough care so that you'll live, then ask billing questions. If you don't have insurance, and you're poor, they either suck it up or the government re-imburses them (I'm not sure which).
No offense, but the garbage man earns more than that here. And then the government even gives him a good deal on insurance.
No offense, but the garbage man earns more than that here. And then the government even gives him a good deal on insurance.
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
And you dont find it severely fucked up that a patients treatment is basically based upon their credit rating? They are obliged to make you stable but nothing after that I believe.
Personally again I stand with the NHS There are people who cannot afford private healthcare over there and that is a fact plain and simple.
Personally again I stand with the NHS
There are people who cannot afford private healthcare over there and that is a fact plain and simple.
sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:
not as well as they could if given a helping hand... its like saying "the trains run" of course they do but with a cash injection they'd run everyday without strikes and on time
and the reason i say nhs tax should be REDUCDED and not scraped is to pay for those who cannot afford the burden of healthcare however what the two of you are neglecting is the fact that there are far more who CAN pay than those who CAN'T and those who DO pay, end paying far more than they have to if the NHS was run properly
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
So what if some can pay? If some people cant afford it then a system should not be in place like that. Healthcare is for everyone not just those with a platinum card. And if you cut the health tax for some there will be a shortage of cash then, where will this come from? The magical happy fairy dust bag?
Hmmm how can the fire service work any better or the police or paramedics for that? The fire service get there in the times set down by the government as do the police and paramedics. I see nothing wrong with it when they are reaching the targets set.
Hmmm how can the fire service work any better or the police or paramedics for that? The fire service get there in the times set down by the government as do the police and paramedics. I see nothing wrong with it when they are reaching the targets set.
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sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:
I take it you still haven't read what i put so here goes again.. More than "some" can pay, a good 90% of the population can afford to have their tax reduced and STILL fund an NHS for everyone if it was run efficientley but that seems to be the point you refute! "Why make something more efficient and save money for the MASSES, when you can make people pay money they don't need to pay and that benefits nobody." seems to be the point your making.
The money will not come from the magical happy fairy dusybag but by turning the nhs into at least a half descentley-run system you would save billions. Reform saves money, saving money saves taxes... if you can do that WITHOUT LIMITING THE SERVICE TO ANYONE, why fear it like the plague?
...and if you don't think reform can improve things i ask you only to look at your parents electricity / telephone / water bills over the last 20 years... oh and the service they have recieved
and that strikes me as just sad, you won't allow something to be improved because it has reached a set standard.. we could save more lives by making something more efficient, but you don't care because it works pretty good? cmon get serious
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
And how on earth can they get more efficient? To do that you would need more appliances and fire fighters and more stations in other areas to make it "more efficient" they respond as fast as possible, some half assed political reform will not make them respond faster will it? What are we going to do? tame clouds and blow them over to a house on fire? Get real yourself . To make the service more efficient would require more manpower but wait! The goverment wants less fire fighters. Now you cant have your cake and eat it now can you:baaa:
90% of the population can afford it? Can you direct me to that figure that comes straight from the goverment?
. To make the service more efficient would require more manpower but wait! The goverment wants less fire fighters. Now you cant have your cake and eat it now can you:baaa: 90% of the population can afford it? Can you direct me to that figure that comes straight from the goverment?
AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
2fast4u said:
I understand that, but like I said, thats what medicaid is for.
Here is how www.medicare.gov defines medicaid:
Medicaid does bother me on a certain ground though; Smokers and obese people are given free heart and lung transplants when their medical condition is their own damn fault. This is a huge abuse of the system.
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vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
This is going to be my last post in this thread as its just a continuous pissing match really
The idea of reforming a service such as the fire service is laughable when the government is going about it this way. If response times are to improve more stations situated in key areas will be needed and in turn more fire fighters wil be needed. Of course the goverment is going waaaaay in the other direction on this issue. I am willing to bet that the great no reform will not improve the service one little bit:satisfied.
And im out of this thread
/me skips away
The idea of reforming a service such as the fire service is laughable when the government is going about it this way. If response times are to improve more stations situated in key areas will be needed and in turn more fire fighters wil be needed. Of course the goverment is going waaaaay in the other direction on this issue. I am willing to bet that the great no reform will not improve the service one little bit:satisfied.
And im out of this thread
/me skips away
AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
Another problem with national plans is that you can't chose which doc you want to visit, the government assigns you one. Not only that, all doctors get a flat income.
Theres a socialist system for you, neither side gets any say in the matter
To top it all, I've heard that a lot of medical professionals end up moving out of countries like this, making the problem of understaffing of doctors even worse.
Theres a socialist system for you, neither side gets any say in the matter
To top it all, I've heard that a lot of medical professionals end up moving out of countries like this, making the problem of understaffing of doctors even worse.
2fast4u
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whatever, prove it ..
ok, lets make it clearer ... i work 3 days a week and go to school 2 days. im not a full employee as i am still learning while working at this company. for what i do i get paid adequately, i think i can say that since all my classmates have around the same income for the same work. no offense, but this is what the world is like.