Bush Doesn't Know how to React when faced with a real opponent
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AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
Well say the guy in the condo has a dumpster about 50 feet away from where his bed happens to be. In a relative sense, he would "sleep near a dumpster", but if he just plain told you that out of nowhere, you'd think hes a bumb and doesn't live in a $100k condo. Establish context first.
sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:
Since when do you need more manpower to improve something?! for christs sake, lets take BT for example (a company i know a thing or two about)... before they got Oftel snapping at their heels it was common place for installations of a phone line to take months... if not years.. are you seriously telling me that reforming that is laughable? puh-lease
i have no clue where you got this idea that organisational reform doesn't make things more efficient, for example..
which is more realistic a system with a management team to look after the engines and one to look after the petrol
or a management team that looks after vehicules and is on the SAME payroll... I have seen first hand the empire building that occurs in massive organisations whereby groups of people proove their usefulness by gaining polotical power within the business... and it is this kind of counter productivity that needs to be stamped out
a real life example from firefighers... part time staff cannot work on the same watch as full time staff... therefore you need a full watch of part time staff to make sure there are enough people on that watch! ok they MAY WELL respond in time, but why do we need such redundancy? When a group of people sit around for the majority of the time and have archiac useless rules like that how can you honestly say they don't need reform... i know they "do what theyre supposed to"
but if the car is good why invent the plane? if water is ok why make beer? because its BETTER!
there is honestly nothing as naive as dont fix what aint broken... perfective adaptation is a neccesity for the improvement of any part of society, ludditism is pointless and wasteful. Look at the bigger issue and whats really happening, not "the government wants to chop the fire service in half" even blair isnt that stupid.
and finally
the uk has a population of roughly 70 million of which less than 1 million are registered as unemployed... i hazarded a guess at 90%, perhaps its a little lower but still on a private insurance we would pay £180 a year (with bupa... and that covers dental and optical bills too). so if we paid £600 on a half private half non private system everyone (and then some) would be covered as apposed to pissing £1500 a year at a pathetic NHS. Honestley would you rather pay £1500 for something that is WASTING your money and not benefiting those "less fortunate" as much as the half private service would?
....There are none so deaf as those that shall not hear.....
I came into this thread half way through, so what this has to do with the topic I do not know. Anyway...
The firefighters deserve F-all. We've got a decent firefighting service that doesn't need massive investment and frankly, the government is right in wanting them to modernise.
I will personally murder the next person to beep their horn when going past a firestation. kthx.
The firefighters deserve F-all. We've got a decent firefighting service that doesn't need massive investment and frankly, the government is right in wanting them to modernise.
I will personally murder the next person to beep their horn when going past a firestation. kthx.
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
That has what to do with the fire service?
and again how? how do you think they get to the fires?
You think by that letting part time staff work with full time staff will save lives? Umm how? will they suddenly transform into firezoid the ultimate fire fighting transformer from mars?
They respond in the quickest time possible, they have the best equipment and are highly trained. How do we improve that service? And inventing beer wont help sy
Seriously some day listen to your own advice for once....
sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:You think by that letting part time staff work with full time staff will save lives? Umm how? will they suddenly transform into firezoid the ultimate fire fighting transformer from mars?
They respond in the quickest time possible, they have the best equipment and are highly trained. How do we improve that service? And inventing beer wont help sy
Its not about saving more lives, its about how they save the lives they do save... keeping that level but making it more efficient... and you can mock my examples but the point they make is valid and the one you refuse to acknoledge... saving more lives is not the issue, the structure of the fireservice being wasteful IS
ignore the will to improve something if you wish, but there is no advantage to trying to stifle development because it is the socialistic ideal to leave public services well alone that you CANNOT deny
what it has to do with the fireservice i simple.. if what we have is ok and we can make it better, what is the serious reason for NOT making it better?
you may not measure financial and structural efficiency as better... but believe me.. you are in the minority.
sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:
Ok so on one hand you think the government are only in it for chopping people and nothing else... but on the other you think the firefighters have silly rules (and dare i say too many firefighters?)
Surley the result would be make the structural design of the fire-service more efficient THEREFORE saving the money that can give them that money they want so bad.
haven't been to london for a while then? because that quote has been taken out of context, central london is a massive business estate with many business addresses (more per sq mile than most places in fact) but residentially the very epicentre of the capital would have somewhere around that region, i mean think about the centre of halifax, from kiwk save across to netto theres hardly a mass of residences is there?
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
Ahh sorry sy I forget you know everything about london due to your VAST experience down there
Oh and I can different views on the same subject....thats the glory of freedom of speech
They do have some stupid rules that need changing but on the whole the system is pretty much perfect in the sense that they doing their job efficiently....
Oh and I can different views on the same subject....thats the glory of freedom of speech
They do have some stupid rules that need changing but on the whole the system is pretty much perfect in the sense that they doing their job efficiently....
sytaylor
Sy
vampireuk said:Ahh sorry sy I forget you know everything about london due to your VAST experience down there
Never claimed to have vast experience, but what i said still stands
vampireuk said:Oh and I can different views on the same subject....thats the glory of freedom of speech
Never questioned that either
vampireuk said:
Yes but theyre still pissing money away like it was water in a thunderstorm... when its totally NOT! SO if they can keep doing that job as efficientley while scrapping the stupid rules why is modernisation such a bad thing?
Alpha: I'm very aware of that point, hence my post earlier about the continual need to improve and not rest on our lorrels