Bush Doesn't Know how to React when faced with a real opponent

[vampireuk]

They dont offend me either, but the fact is you are not allowed to insult other members

And even I, who am not a Christian, see the value in the 10 commandments. Or at least some of them.

Listen to George carlin, he knocks them down to two

Anyway I cant go to hell, I'm a communist:happy:

As for gaining values from the 10 commandments I cant see the point. I have my own values learned from the actual world.

 

[2fast4u]

hrm .. u guys have taken this battle w/o me .. no need to post

 

[stardog]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Listen to George carlin, he knocks them down to two

I do listen to George Carlin, have been since I discovered the guy back in the early 80's. I've heard his take on the 10 commandments. Pretty hilarious and ingenious material. However, I prefer his older stuff when not as much politics was mixed into his act. My favorite album by the way is "A Place for my Stuff".

Anyway I cant go to hell, I'm a communist:happy:

Great, I happen to think socialism, if it were ever actually practiced correctly (which is impossible for humans to do), is probably the best form of government.

As for gaining values from the 10 commandments I cant see the point. I have my own values learned from the actual world.

Well, ya know, I'm not necessarily a bible thumper, in fact, I'm not Christian, I'm not even religious. But I understand wisdom when I read it, and you don't have to be a Christian to see the 'point' of abstaining from killing, stealing, and you know... generally bad shit. So that was a pretty ludicrous thing for you to say, IMO.

 

[AlphaWolf]

no responses to my comment about how a communist rule would function?

hmm....

 

[vampireuk]

you just kind of responded right there :happy:

 

[stardog]

communism: your going to do it whether you like it or not, because the will of the group demands that you do. If not you will suffer the consequences.

sounds pretty much like real life communism

 

[ra5555]

China is still a communist country, but I don't think it functions like that

 

[vampireuk]

China is not communist

 

[AlphaWolf]

China is weird, its more like a mix between communism and capitalism, because it's neither truely one or the other. They have a command economy, yet they still use currency. Cuba works the same way. As Karl Marx defines communism though, neither of these countries make the mustard. Of course, Karl Marx' description of communism could never realy exist, unless you could somehow entice every single person on gods green earth into wanting to do nothing but break their back for the community, which simply cannot happen, man evolved every gene in his body to instinctively have a desire to be better than his neighbor in some way shape or form, and this will more than likely never change. It took the USSR 70 years to figure this out

 

[vampireuk]

maybe but they had a cool national anthem

It works for either extreme, capitalism cannot exist purely on its own...hence the wall street crash. And neither can communism...why do you think I rabbit on about inbetween :happy:

 

[2fast4u]

basically china operates communism in terms of capitalist economy mixed with neostalinism, which is actually a perversion of socialism. i may remind of the massacre on the heavenly peace square and the systematic break of human rights rules. this isnt what socialism is all about in any way.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Right, socialism is about having all of your worldly posessions belonging to everybody; E.g. in a socialist system, there is no "my computer" or "my house". The idea is for everything to be shared. There is not supposed to be any government at all, its supposed to be a community rule, and everybody works "for the greater good".

The only way that this has ever been accomplished is through force.

 

[2fast4u]

Right, socialism is about having all of your worldly posessions belonging to everybody; E.g. in a socialist system, there is no "my computer" or "my house". The idea is for everything to be shared. There is not supposed to be any government at all, its supposed to be a community rule, and everybody works "for the greater good".

The only way that this has ever been accomplished is through force.

first part: right
second part: wrong!

socialism like u describe it has NEVER been accomplished in practice. i shall therefore declare that there has never been a socialist state, or economy, or truly socialist leadership (one in charge) in the world. u cant tell me china or the ussr, or vietnam or cuba or north corea are socialist states, declaring that would be plain ignorance.

 

[vampireuk]

my collegues are all pretentious cock suckers, yeah you heard me

ummm off topic but none the less true...now where did I put that Glock.

 

[AlphaWolf]

socialism like u describe it has NEVER been accomplished in practice. i shall therefore declare that there has never been a socialist state, or economy, or truly socialist leadership (one in charge) in the world. u cant tell me china or the ussr, or vietnam or cuba or north corea are socialist states, declaring that would be plain ignorance.

Karl Marx' idea of communism is that its supposed to start out with a governmental entity setting things in order, then slowly the government is supposed to dissolve into nothing, and the "community rule" takes over. But there are several things wrong with this, the majority of the communist countries started out with this intention (Vietnam especialy, ho chi minh's vision of a communist state was very direct to marx' ideas.), but it simply couldn't happen.

 

[2fast4u]

yeah, agreed .. now that doesnt really mix with your previous statements tho :ermm:

lenins ussr started out as a government backed by the majority of russians and actually TRIED to introduce real socialism. we all know it didnt happen .. >_<

 

[sytaylor]

lenins ussr started out as a government backed by the majority of russians and actually TRIED to introduce real socialism. we all know it didnt happen .. >_<

and can never happen for the exact reasons alpha stated above

could never realy exist, unless you could somehow entice every single person on gods green earth into wanting to do nothing but break their back for the community

 

[AlphaWolf]

yeah, agreed .. now that doesnt really mix with your previous statements tho :ermm:

lenins ussr started out as a government backed by the majority of russians and actually TRIED to introduce real socialism. we all know it didnt happen .. >_<

Doesn't it? You've just proven my point. They tried to establish socialism, then when it was clear that it would not work on its own, they had to resort to forcing everybody to make it work, thats where stalin came in.

Socialism is a valid concept, but in practice it simply can't work. Socialism eliminates the individual. Everything becomes about what the group wants. Everybody has to have the same religious/scientific beliefs/oppinions. Nobody can have anything that makes them special or unique. Nobody can own any property. Nobody can have any privacy. If you take away any of these rules, it will always need a governing authority, like that of stalins, to command its members.

Come to think of it, I have seen one form of true socialism work: the borg

 

[vampireuk]

Lets not also forget capitalism doesnt work in its purest form either ^_^

 

[AlphaWolf]

Right, in a true free enterprise system, companies like microsoft can do what they do and it wouldn't be against the law. Obviously we know the problems with this. The same problems exist with the true socialism idea, on paper it seems nice, but when put into practice it can't work without changes.