The Complete Military History of France

[ra5555]

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It's pretty funny to see how they can undig things i've never ever heard
It's also inacurate but i don't care i won't argue on it, anyway i wouldn't be proud to be part of a warish nation...

I'm just wondering why US are all spoted on French president coz actually he's not the only one with this opinion. The most important ones are : Germany, Russia, China... Maybe it's more easy to laught at us but remember that we're not the only ones, and i believe uk people are strongly against this war actualy...

Have you read the new reports on CNN? The french is involved in major trade ties with Iraq, and French companies SOLD to the US chemicals that can be used for making chemical weapons, they are probably afraid that their actions might be discovered. (They don't deny about the trade ties but they say that chemicals sold are approved?) Anyway no offence against the French people, but I think what the company and the governments are doing are wrong.

 

[ra5555]

ironically u dont seem to attack terrorist organizations, but nations that get in your way...im sure bombing the shit out of the iraqi people will make terror and support for terror decrease rapidly...*rolls eyes* kind of contradictive, aint it?

about ending democracy btw, thats basically what bush is doing right now. all i say is homeland security.

Do you know how much the Iraq people are suffering? People are dying everyday there of hunger and Saddam is using the Chemical and Bio weapons against his own people ( for tests) !! From what I have heard, the US is going to use high tech weapons and minimize the damage to civilians. Do you really think giving the inspector more time would do any help? Based on Iraq's history do you really think Iraq will disarm? So we wait six months and fight the war again? What is the difference?

 

[2fast4u]

Have you read the new reports on CNN? The french is involved in major trade ties with Iraq, and French companies SOLD to the US chemicals that can be used for making chemical weapons, they are probably afraid that their actions might be discovered.

u are talking like france is the only country involved in this shit. europe, the ussr and the usa are all involved into selling weapons to saddam in the 80s.

People are dying everyday there of hunger

and one reason for that one is the sanctions

From what I have heard, the US is going to use high tech weapons and minimize the damage to civilians.

with my limited military knowledge i aint gonna give my opinion on that one.

Do you really think giving the inspector more time would do any help?

yes

Based on Iraq's history do you really think Iraq will disarm?

given the fact that the inspectors can do their work w/o being pushed.

So we wait six months and fight the war again? What is the difference?

the difference is that we can settle this w/o a military intervention.

 

[Hacktarux]

Yea we have sent weapons sure but... in the beginning of the eighties iran had a dominant postion in this region (that have plenty of oil)... Sadam Hussein a dictator started a war against iran.. The US said wow it can help us to control this region we must help him.. So the US started to give money and weapons massively to Sadam as well as USSR... Then they France and UK followed to help them by also sending weapons and we have accepted... of course it wasn't without any interest, at this time everybody agreed that it would be better to control this region (minus israel who was affraid by iraq and helped iran a lot). What we all forgot is that the dictator will certainly not stop with this first (semi) victory and that we can't remove from their country the weapons we have sent... Now the US are bombing iraq and are mostly sanctionning civil people since ten years... Why not giving them a chance to live, giving them only a few months after TEN years ??
What is important is putting pressure on Sadam, not killing people... And if there's one little chance to find a "pacific" solution we have to take it, things can't go that worse in only a few months coz US can know anything irak would try to do and if something is starting to go wrong they can easily start the war in a few days (maybe even hours) as they are already ready....


PS: today the north korea has sent a missile to the japan and nobody is talking about it....

 

[madfredtk]

PS: today the north korea has sent a missile to the japan and nobody is talking about it....

North Korea is restarting its nuclear program, launching missiles, provoking the USA and... nothing, the USA do nothing.

I think that North Korea is much more dangerous than a country that "has been proved" to possess illegal weapons.

If, after they got rid of Saddam, the US Army go to North Korea and chase its dictator away, I'll be convinced that the USA deserve a noble cause... but I highly doubt it

 

[AlphaWolf]

North Korea is restarting its nuclear program, launching missiles, provoking the USA and... nothing, the USA do nothing.

I think that North Korea is much more dangerous than a country that "has been proved" to possess illegal weapons.

If, after they got rid of Saddam, the US Army go to North Korea and chase its dictator away, I'll be convinced that the USA deserve a noble cause... but I highly doubt it

The difference with north korea is that they probably know what nuclear war means. If saddam gets ahold of a nuke...then get your coats and thick clothes on, because winters a comin'.

 

[madfredtk]

Yes they know what nuclear war mean and tey'll certainly not be crazt enough to lauch a nuclear bomb or something like that BUT what I don't understand is why do the USA not react. I mean, if Saddam had launched a missile, he would have been attacked in the following second...

 

[AlphaWolf]

If iraq didn't harbor terrorists, I would just say fuck em, why fight a war for somebody who doesn't want liberation in the first place? You hear about the women suffering n shit, yet a lot of those suffering women believe in being the way they are *shrug*. France and Germany are making such a huge stink about it, but it's not me that will end up with the glowing dust in my front lawn when these weapons are used. All I could say in that case is: "We told you so". Fuck em all. :satisfied

 

[ra5555]

So what options does the US have against North Korea? Go to war with it? Even at the threat of using Nukes? Or "settle" it peacefully buy giving north Korea more money? Japan and South Korea and China would definately against any military actions against north korea because the threat of using Nukes as a form of retaliation? So should we send out inspectors whom the North Korean leader will definately disallow, why can he do that? Because he has aboundant weapons (Nukes) as a back up. NOw if we wait and let Iraq has that kind of military strength, then think what will happen to the world then?

The Pentagon expects about 250000 american casuties if the US goes to war against North Korea, do you want that? I don't think any country would go to war against a country that Has Nukes.

So how do you guys suggest to solve the North Korean problem besides giving them MONEY?

No offence to anyone, its just my opinion
:emutalk:

 

[ra5555]

u are talking like france is the only country involved in this shit. europe, the ussr and the usa are all involved into selling weapons to saddam in the 80s.

They are doing the selling right now, the company is making profits as we speak..

and one reason for that one is the sanctions

So we should let Iraq run free and get money to make its much awaited Nukes and Bio weapons, or should we liberate Iraq? Do you know that the money these countries make go directly to its dictators? So giving Iraq ecnonmic freedom would only benefit the dictotators and HURT the weak such as Children and Woman.

yes

How would that help? Do you really think Saddam will give up his regime? Do you know that Saddam has hundreds of people working to conceal the weapons from the Inspectors?

given the fact that the inspectors can do their work w/o being pushed.

Do you know that Saddam has given out orders that anyone who leak out any information to the inspectors and the UN will be killed, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILY?

the difference is that we can settle this w/o a military intervention. [/B]

I don't want to have a military intervention too, but the fact is that we don't really have a choice, we have to take out Iraq's leaders and that is the only way to benefit and liberate the Iraqy people.

 

[Hacktarux]

I know we're exporting to Iraq right now but we're certainly not selling weapons since the last 15 years... And i'm sure the benefits we're making with Iraqs is nothing compared to what we're doing with US... If it was only a sales problem we would be with americans...

I don't know if u have read the Chirac's plans for Iraq but it's pretty realistic, it's not just being againts war, he's really searching solutions... The advantage with this solution is that if it fails it'll be easy to start a war in a very short period. If the war fails people will already be killed, it'll be impossible to try the diplomatic solution...

And i believe one the reasons Bush doesn't want UN inspectors doing their job is because they would finish it in the middle of the US election campaign...

 

[Martin]

Wow, look what an innocent joke turned into.

Now settle everyone and I'll bake you cookies. :happy:

 

[AlphaWolf]

Wait...Japan has a military?

IIRC, article 9 of the constitution they adopted right after WWII says they can't have any military. The US is their military.

 

[ra5555]

Wait...Japan has a military?

IIRC, article 9 of the constitution they adopted right after WWII says they can't have any military. The US is their military.

Yea, infact, they have one of the strongest navy in the world... except that they can't have any air craft carriers (Which Japan makes smaller carriers... not Aircraft Carriers lain: ) ... Japan is also disscussing whether or not they should make nukes for defence needs against North Korea... They could make about 10 of those nukes within three months...

Yea... I know, the world is screwed up...

 

[Eagle]

Why did we turn this into a political debate?

 

[AlphaWolf]

Wait a sec...the US has 2 naval bases in japan...

 

[2fast4u]

If iraq didn't harbor terrorists, I would just say fuck em, why fight a war for somebody who doesn't want liberation in the first place? You hear about the women suffering n shit, yet a lot of those suffering women believe in being the way they are *shrug*. France and Germany are making such a huge stink about it, but it's not me that will end up with the glowing dust in my front lawn when these weapons are used. All I could say in that case is: "We told you so". Fuck em all. :satisfied

no offense dude, but most likely we wont be the ones suffering an attack from iraq (like there will be one) .. you wanted that war, we didnt ... we told you not to but u didnt listen :satisfied

... and then all the terrorists came out of the woodwork .. kill one bin laden and get 10 more ..

 

[2fast4u]

They are doing the selling right now, the company is making profits as we speak..

which makes us all equal again .. arent we wonderful?

So giving Iraq ecnonmic freedom would only benefit the dictotators and HURT the weak such as Children and Woman.

amazingly in practice the opposite is the case. in fact the sanctions did not hurt saddam, but did great damage to the civilians. the sanctions are so far useless, since they actually strenghten saddams position cuz the people are blaming the usa for their poverty which is partly right.

Do you know that Saddam has hundreds of people working to conceal the weapons from the Inspectors?

bla bla bla, all you are using is reasons from the u.s. media which are largely not proven but based on assumption and government propaganda.

taking everything in the news and especially the statements of a government which is basically at war with another for granted is a little naive.

Do you know that Saddam has given out orders that anyone who leak out any information to the inspectors and the UN will be killed, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILY?

see previous answer

I don't want to have a military intervention too, but the fact is that we don't really have a choice, we have to take out Iraq's leaders and that is the only way to benefit and liberate the Iraqy people.

id feel tempted to believe that if only the war mongers would give a shit about the iraqis. but for months i havent heard a word about wanting to liberate these poor people, all i hear is saddam has to go and the suspected weapons have to go. i dont hear a word about whats going to happen to iraq.

amazingly, after months of silence blair turned so noble that he was pointing us out to how much the population suffers. when did this happen? ah, i know ... millions of anti-war protestors around the world. does this seem fishy?

 

[vampireuk]

Right! *cracks knuckles*

Do you know how much the Iraq people are suffering?

By the sanctions, as 2fast4u said. Sanctions imposed on Iraq to try and break the regime. For the past 10 years this has had no effect on the regime and has made the quality of life drop substantially for the ordinary citizens.

People are dying everyday there of hunger

Sanctions

and Saddam is using the Chemical and Bio weapons against his own people ( for tests) !!

Given to him by the west, and not just france as CNN wants you to think. Did you also know the french eat babies?

From what I have heard, the US is going to use high tech weapons and minimize the damage to civilians.

No such thing, even the most precise bombs have a rather large margain of error, and in a built up area accidents WILL happen.

Do you really think giving the inspector more time would do any help? Based on Iraq's history do you really think Iraq will disarm?

Yes, if the inspectors were given the time they needed things would change. Of course the good old war plan fucks the inspectors right over and makes them look useless.

So we wait six months and fight the war again? What is the difference?

How about in 6 months there could be huindreds of inspectors, spy planes and UN peace keepers in Iraq to keep the population safe. Hmm that answers all of Bush's key points without the need for violence!! Oh wait, but war helps the economy.

So what options does the US have against North Korea? Go to war with it? Even at the threat of using Nukes? Or "settle" it peacefully buy giving north Korea more money?

Why not? North Korea are in Bush's "axis of evil" the only different is Bush does not want a fight where people can fight back. Great double standards by the administration here.

Japan and South Korea and China would definately against any military actions against north korea because the threat of using Nukes as a form of retaliation?

China are seperating themselves from North Korea, they do not want anything to do with them anymore. And I'm sure Japan would not mind since it would make the region a bit safer.

So should we send out inspectors whom the North Korean leader will definately disallow, why can he do that? Because he has aboundant weapons (Nukes) as a back up. NOw if we wait and let Iraq has that kind of military strength, then think what will happen to the world then?

So why not stop another dictator now along with saddam? Imagine what would happen to the world if we do not deal with north korea...

The Pentagon expects about 250000 american casuties if the US goes to war against North Korea, do you want that? I don't think any country would go to war against a country that Has Nukes

Why not if it is for the good of the world? Bush says we cannot sit back and let the worlds worst leaders have the worlds worst weapons. Well look who is sitting back right now. It seems this crusade of Bush's is only valid when its not a inconvinience for him.

Do you know that Saddam has given out orders that anyone who leak out any information to the inspectors and the UN will be killed, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILY?

CNN again?

 

[2fast4u]

good ol tony .. the guy signing everything that is sent from washington