The Complete Military History of France

[2fast4u]

ra5555, would u _mind_ answering to the replies on your points if people make the effort to argue with you? if not i must assume im right since there aint no opposition ..

 

[Hacktarux]

Sure. Almost all imperialistic nations, and the ones involved in WWI, haven't done a single thing to redeem themselves (france, who hates us the most, happens to also be worse than all of them. Why they hate us is way beyond me).

Where the hell did u see that France hates u ???? oh ic maybe cnn or fuck news channel... I can say you that the majority isn't hating Amerincans even our news channels aren't against you they are simply saying what is happening in the world unlike US news channels are doing.

Also i would like to say, that it's not because you disagree with someone that he's your ennemy or that you hate him.... France is saying we don't like your way to solve this problem, here is our solution, we submit it to the UN and we'll follow what we'll be decided by them... I don't see anything wrong in that or maybe i should buy some american eyes...

 

[vampireuk]

And that is from a French person Alpha, someone who knows more about French opinion than CNN.:satisfied

 

[dave_luther]

True..., but terrism doesn't come from you guys does it, it comes from the third-world.

this is the worst point ever, theres terrorists everywhere for example the ira in n. ireland but the usa seems to help them.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Where the hell did u see that France hates u ???? oh ic maybe cnn or fuck news channel... I can say you that the majority isn't hating Amerincans even our news channels aren't against you they are simply saying what is happening in the world unlike US news channels are doing.

Also i would like to say, that it's not because you disagree with someone that he's your ennemy or that you hate him.... France is saying we don't like your way to solve this problem, here is our solution, we submit it to the UN and we'll follow what we'll be decided by them... I don't see anything wrong in that or maybe i should buy some american eyes...

No, in fact most french I run into just have this attitude that americans are stupid. When I ask why, they don't even answer, they just think americans are stupid. Honestly I could care less about that specificaly. Now, as far as the war ties into it, that actualy has very little to what I am basing it off of, because I have had this oppinion since long before the recent shit in iraq. The french are notorious for opposing anything we do. Take vietnam for example, after they lost the battle of dien bien phu, they were against anything we did over there, even though they still wanted control over vietnam very very badly. They were angry that we stopped supporting their interest in vietnam, which was entirely imperialistic btw. Not only that, the french government is extremely defensive about extraditing US criminals, yet they don't hesitate to do it for the rest of europe. Also, read the article I posted earlier where the author noticed how americans were being treated in france.

 

[2fast4u]

besides alpha .. you are interesting. you think you can insult the french by generalizing them into anti-americanism but dont want to hear a word against america ... :saint:

 

[AlphaWolf]

Alpha, Hacktarux knows more about the french than you do....there is no point in arguing about this. It's like pissing in the wind.

He may know more about the french themselves, but how the french deal with americans is a bit different.

dont get wise on me. i have answered everything in this thread besides your last big run which i didnt get around to yet.

There are a few things that you skipped a while back, namely my comment about your philosophy.

 

[2fast4u]

There are a few things that you skipped a while back, namely my comment about your philosophy.

lets split hair again, shall we? you are not exactly in the position to advise me on my philosophy to be honest.

 

[vampireuk]

I read it all, the fact is you were using your very limited knowledge of french people to form a judgement on them.

Most of the french people you know, I'm guessing thats not a lot

 

[Hacktarux]

No, in fact most french I run into just have this attitude that americans are stupid.When I ask why, they don't even answer, they just think americans are stupid.

That's true, many french would actually say that, and some other will say english are stupid or belgian or... And americans are saying French are stupid or Canadians are stupid... Is it really revelant ???? And yes we have a lot other things to do than hating americans

Honestly I could care less about that specificaly. Now, as far as the war ties into it, that actualy has very little to what I am basing it off of, because I have had this oppinion since long before the recent shit in iraq. The french are notorious for opposing anything we do. Take vietnam for example, after they lost the battle of dien bien phu, they were against anything we did over there, even though they still wanted control over vietnam very very badly. They were angry that we stopped supporting their interest in vietnam, which was entirely imperialistic btw. Not only that, the french government is extremely defensive about extraditing US criminals, yet they don't hesitate to do it for the rest of europe. Also, read the article I posted earlier where the author noticed how americans were being treated in france.
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I've already said that what happened in indochina was bad but well it's the past, it has nothing to do with current french opinion. I can't know how my grandparent like americans when they were young and who cares actually ? And you seriously have to learn that people change year after year... You can't always refer to what happen more than 40 years ago.

And concerning US criminals, i don't even know which one you are talking about coz it seems they didn't say a word about him here. But what i remember is that US didn't want to extrade a french criminal as well as some other countries... Sometimes it happens but it's generally in the hands of a judge and not about anti-americanism.

 

[AlphaWolf]

That's true, many french would actually say that, and some other will say english are stupid or belgian or... And americans are saying French are stupid or Canadians are stupid... Is it really revelant ???? And yes we have a lot other things to do than hating americans

There ya go Thats anti-french, anti-english, anti-belgian, anti-american, anti-canadian, etc etc etc.

See why I say I don't care? Because its all trivial at best. :satisfied

 

[ra5555]

ra5555, would u _mind_ answering to the replies on your points if people make the effort to argue with you? if not i must assume im right since there aint no opposition ..

I know, I didn't read before I answered, for that I am sorry. However, we are talking about the war. And I am pretty sure that America gives away billions of dollars in foreign aids everyyear, and that certainly is a significant amount of money. Most of the countries I know off are giving lesser and lesser amount of aids every year, including Australia Eroupe and Canada... and that is a FACT

 

[ra5555]

this is the worst point ever, theres terrorists everywhere for example the ira in n. ireland but the usa seems to help them.

But the terrism that comes from First World Countries can't grow to take over a country can it? It can't rule a country and be its dictators. With most of the populations educated and informed, I am sure that they can't be as effective and large as the Alqeada

 

[AlphaWolf]

So far as foreign aid, last I checked, the US sends out 50 billion annualy. If that were per capita, that would mean that every american gives more than $200 a year. Were a bunch of tightwads, aren't we? I coulda bought another xbox with that money.

 

[2fast4u]

ra5555: this was your statement:

Do you know that the whole Imperialism and nationalism stuff originated from Eroupe. What started the World War 1? France Germany Italy and countries like that wants to grow and build an empire that is greater than anything thing ever known... OUT of self interest

now tell me how this is relevant to the current iraq issue or terrorism? i cant find any relations either, so i must assume its off topic.

my historical drawbacks where however related to terrorism in the present.

 

[2fast4u]

ok ok, i know that one was your baby, alpha. so there ya go ..

The moral of the story: You need to take an honest look at your philosophy. Your philosophy says this: Say a gangster murdered somebody in cold blood, and he was being arraigned. His gang says to release him, or they will commit more anonymous murders until he is released scott free. According to you, we should let the murderer go scott free, not having a thing to worry about for commiting his crime. You know, we don't want anybody else to be put in any danger just for some guy who is already dead.

u narrowed this down a bit too much, but anyway. the gangster isnt a normal gangster, lets say hes a dicator, which he usually is. i could work with that. so therefore he has people that are oppressed by him, mk? naturally those people hate him and if they could theyd probably overthrow em. now we go ahead and first of all take care of the the big boss so he wont have weapons he could treaten anyone else or his people anymore. then we go ahead and stop bombing his people so they wont think their boss hates them and the other countries hate them too. if both sides are treating them bad, who would they have left to trust? now if we remove a) the weapons b) our own failing in gaining the trust of those people we get to c) funding the people in overthrowing the motherfucker by themselves. this the only human way i can see. if you read history (again), most revolutions that actually created a persisting state didnt come from the top, they came from the bottom of society = the common people. otherwise the government would be _not_ legitimated by its people, right? as a restless fighter for democracy im thinking you should be outraged by that ..

the moral of the story: we need to stop being so arrogant that we can solve everything on our own on a high political base whereas the people are excluded and degraded to meaningless waste. bombing iraq and invading would mean exactly that. we (no, sorry .. "you" go in) kill saddam, setup a military government. then after a few years "maybe" we let them into some kind of democracy with a government set up by us and willing to support us. now this is really fucking stupid if i may say so.

yes, im a communist. im glad u noticed.

now the last one: why arent u in the position to tell me i need to change my philosophy? cuz no one is. im not in the position to tell u to change yours either cuz that would require me on knowing anything.

/me wanders off

 

[vampireuk]

So far as foreign aid, last I checked, the US sends out 50 billion annualy. If that were per capita, that would mean that every american gives more than $200 a year. Were a bunch of tightwads, aren't we? I coulda bought another xbox with that money.

And thats less than the other developed nations, even though your economy dwarfs all the others, they contribute more.

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/global/Intconforaid/develfinance.htm

 

[2fast4u]

haw, classifying information you dont want to hear as propaganda is too easy i might as well go ahead and classify your sources as propaganda. gimme a break.

 

[vampireuk]

The fact is as a % america gives less, how is the truth propaganda?

 

[AlphaWolf]

The fact is as a % america gives less, how is the truth propaganda?

Because its not the whole truth and nothing but the truth See, that chart shows what the US government alone gives, which is in the 11 billions per year. The private organizations quadrouple that. That would put the US in the range of ~5.5%?

u narrowed this down a bit too much, but anyway. the gangster isnt a normal gangster, lets say hes a dicator, which he usually is.

No, a dictator is different. I am talking about terrorist organizations, not setting up governments. No dictator has threatened us in this manner. Try it again. Your basic statements about us going after al quieda are just to leave them alone, because they will target more civilians.

EDIT: not done here either.