So... what are we allowed to talk about these days?

[Jaz]

Stalkid, you are right. if it was a demo that was leaked then its fine because the demo would not have turned profits anyway right.

Yeah, but it's still technically illegal to own a copy of the demo, as far as I know. However, I don't see any wrong doing in discussing this demo, even if it does include persons saying that they've played or own a copy. I mean, at the end of the day, id software will do nothing but benefit from people playing the demo, so what's the problem?

 

[vampireuk]

I don't think thats realy the best idea either. Namely, what you consider spam might not be considered spam by others. I could see doing that in a sticky thread, where each post is supposed to contain very relavent/to the point information, but not a normal one.

Well in a topic about operating systems, anything that has nothing to do with operating systems in spam

 

[2fast4u]

Yeah, but it's still technically illegal to own a copy of the demo, as far as I know. However, I don't see any wrong doing in discussing this demo, even if it does include persons saying that they've played or own a copy. I mean, at the end of the day, id software will do nothing but benefit from people playing the demo, so what's the problem?

the point stays .. if id wanted people to have the demo, they would have put it up on their own. hell, they didnt choose to and not suprisingly it was leaked. end of story.

 

[Slougi]

I mean, at the end of the day, id software will do nothing but benefit from people playing the demo, so what's the problem?

That is actually not true, since this is an un-optimized alpha. People will think the retail copy won't run well on their pc, and thus not buy it. Did you not see John Carmack's post on /.?

 

[blizz]

That is actually not true, since this is an un-optimized alpha. People will think the retail copy won't run well on their pc, and thus not buy it. Did you not see John Carmack's post on /.?

he isn't going to know what /. means

 

[Slougi]

he isn't going to know what /. means

Good point.

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=44077&cid=4591655

 

[Stalkid64]

That is actually not true, since this is an un-optimized alpha. People will think the retail copy won't run well on their pc, and thus not buy it.

Ah... you mean as happened with the original Doom? Oh, no, wait... people upgraded to play it. So you mean as with Doom 2... wait, no, again people upgraded to play that as well so you must mean Quake... no, wait, Quake 2. Oh of course! Quake 3 Ar...NO! Damn, people went and upgraded IN DROVES to play that too.
You see where I'm going with this?

Incidentally if any mod wants to own up to knowing what happened to my last post in this thread (funnily enough it was just before vampireuk's 2nd-last post this morning...), feel free to do so. The post completed fine as I checked and was going to reword it when I saw it appear, but work had to be gone to so I left it... very strange.

 

[Jaz]

IMO, I don't see any problem in a thread to discuss the Doom 3 Alpha demo, and playing the demo itself. After all, it's not like we don't discuss playing certain games on emulators. A prime example is the Metroid one in the GBA forum. If anyone who has posted in that forum, saying that they have played the game, actually owns it, then they are (9 times out of 10), a lier.

So long as there is no information or hints regarding where to download such files, I don't see any problem whatsoever discussing any such Alpha versions.

 

[Stalkid64]

I think that's what I've been saying... if we can discuss ROM's in that sort of context, which are as illegal as the alpha and actually more likely to invite trouble, why can we discuss one and not the other? I see the rather standout amendment to the gaming forum rules... why single it out? People know of its existence and are 99% smart enough to figure out how to track it down themselves.

 

[sytaylor]

IMO, I don't see any problem in a thread to discuss the Doom 3 Alpha demo, and playing the demo itself. After all, it's not like we don't discuss playing certain games on emulators. A prime example is the Metroid one in the GBA forum. If anyone who has posted in that forum, saying that they have played the game, actually owns it, then they are (9 times out of 10), a lier.

So long as there is no information or hints regarding where to download such files, I don't see any problem whatsoever discussing any such Alpha versions.

exactly, discussing playing games on emulators, is on a par with games not released, both technically "illegal" but one is allowed here the other is looked upon as a cardinal sin, and thats just plain hippocritical

 

[vampireuk]

No its not, its drawing a line at what can be discussed. As some one said earlier we dont want to draw any extra attention to us and this site is focused on emulators, not alphas and over sorts of warez.

 

[Jaz]

No its not, its drawing a line at what can be discussed. As some one said earlier we dont want to draw any extra attention to us and this site is focused on emulators, not alphas and over sorts of warez.

But the point is, that a ROM is as illegal as an Alpha. Yet we find it OK to talk about playing X ROM on X Emulator, but not about playing the Alpha version of game X.

At the end of the day, we're all going to have different opinions about this, and my personal opinion is as follows..

In the same way that we discuss ROMs, it should be perfectly acceptable to discuss Alpha's, so long as no requests or information regarding where to download the files is given.

IMHO, you've got to treat Alpha versions, leaked or not, in the same way as any ROM image.

 

[vampireuk]

I think this topic could carry on forever and we have pretty much covered absolutly everything now. How about we lay this one to rest?

 

[Smiff]

well, this is "EmuTalk". People who care about the ("real") emulation scene probably want to keep emulation and warez as seperate as possible for the sake of the image of emulation. So if Martin said "no warez talk" i'd support that, but don't care much either way... the main thing is as i said before, not to link the file with the means of distribution (like "click here to download hot new warez!", and stay on topic.

 

[Stalkid64]

I think this topic could carry on forever and we have pretty much covered absolutly everything now. How about we lay this one to rest?

I dunno, I'm still waiting for the convincing reason why we shouldn't talk about this... other than some weird allowance of one type of discussion but not another on grounds of what game it refers to. I'm admittedly slightly fascinated by this one. The more talk we get on it, the better.

 

[Smiff]

my last post isn't convincing enough for you?

 

[bodie]

hmmm how many posts now and this has not progressed at all really ..kind of makes me feel justified anyway the bottom line is this is martins board and we all follow martins wishes ..we can do as he wishes or not bother to post ..There are rules and guidelines even in place for the mods ..if we don't agree we don't moderate .. Now let's see if we can get a few more hundred pages on this topic without actually getting anywhere :sly:

 

[Josep]

I think this topic could carry on forever and we have pretty much covered absolutly everything now. How about we lay this one to rest?

whose going to be the first "ass" to close this thread?:innocent:

 

[bodie]

it obviously wont be closed josep..do you see?

 

[Jaz]

it obviously wont be closed josep..do you see?

You're a fuckin' mod in here, close it if you really want to.

Personally I don't actually see the point of closing it, but that's just my opinion. By closing it, you're pretty much saying `we think this, so this is how it's gonna be`. But by leaving it open, if the issue is resolved, people won't post in it anymore. But if it's not, they can still have the chance to get their views accross.

It's all going back to the them and us attitude. I've never noticed it before on ET until the last few weeks.