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blizz

New member
if anyone has any right to ask questions over this it's Martin and other the other moderators, no one else

and lets be clear on this Doom3 is still piracy and you were advocating piracy and giving directions on how to obtain pirated software

deleting the thread was indeed overkill, but it did shut vampireuk and x2f4u up :devil:
 
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Stalkid64

Stalkid64

Citizen(sixty)four
Re: for the record.

crhylove said:
i almost never agree with stalkid, just on principle, but i agree this time. if one part of a thread mentions some p2p program, that doesn't seem like a reason to close the thread... but i've been out for a couple days, so i never even saw the closed thread.

That was literally as far as it went, joking aside.
comparing cfg files and fps limits, though... well that should be allowed i think.
As anyone who read the initial post would see (and as the thread was going) that was the intention of the thread, hence closure of it was slightly bizarre. In what way is that any different to, say, someone discussing the best emu config for Zelda, Mario etc? At all? They aren't meant to be available and are illegal in this form after all.
FYI it was ati who leaked the demo. and in related news ati is recording record sales because atm the 9700 is the best card out.
The alleged statement has been doing the rounds on IRC, yes, but as a supposed chat log I'd treat it with caution. From what I hear it's been around a lot longer privately than we thought. Oh, and people who have done direct comparisons on how the game runs have apparently been favouring the GF4, and the leak if it was ATI will damage their relationship quite a bit...
but id will still make a killing on this title, so i don't really see the point in any whining....
or closing threads, but i didn't even see it, so i don't know how blatently illegal it may have been..
That was my point exactly. The most illegal it got was mention of a p2p program, which I already admitted was a slip, and apparently this is me advocating piracy and boasting about ownership of illegal goods. Go figure... ???
 

Josep

eyerun4phun
DuDe said:
It wasn't me who said that in the first place, it was mentioned before by a mod around here (fuck if I remember who it was), and since I guessed that he knew what he was talking about, I repeated it here. Wrong? Oh well, shit happens.
All of that still doesn't detract from the fact that this alpha wasn't supposed to be released. Stalkid here wanted to bitch a bit about one of his threads being closed, so he bloated the whole thing out of proportion, and that pretty much summarizes it all.

well then make it clear dork so i won't rip on your for no good reasons;)

In what way is that any different to, say, someone discussing the best emu config for Zelda, Mario etc? At all? They aren't meant to be available and are illegal in this form after all.

that is illegal? wow, i've seen newbies ask it all the time, and i can point out many threads that aren't locked that ask those questions...bottom line is some mods need to stop locking so fast, in my humble opinion;) that way there isn't a flame thread like this with someone mad because they got their thread locked, thats happened to me i don't know how many times;)
 

DuDe

Emu64 Staff
Josep said:

bottom line is some mods need to stop locking so fast, in my humble opinion;) that way there isn't a flame thread like this with someone mad because they got their thread locked, thats happened to me i don't know how many times;)

If a person's thread was locked, he should ask himself where exactly did he go wrong, instead of whining about it. If anyone has a problem with one of his threads locked/deleted, then he should talk to the mod that locked his thread, instead of bitching around and blaming the staff, because frankly, that all just sounds like a personal problem.
 

bodie

Member
yep agreed
..........................................closed...........................................
for lunch
 

Martin

Active member
Administrator
Hmm...one question. What was wrong about this thread and why was it locked?
 

Jaz

Ex-Mod
Martin said:
Hmm...one question. What was wrong about this thread and why was it locked?

I can ask the same thing. :p

You see, as soon as an interesting debate gets started, someone decides to shut it.

It's no wonder why people are losing interest in ET, to be honest.

Can I re-open this then?
 

bodie

Member
actually jaz i gave numerous reasons to martin in a pm and he obviously agreed with them judging by his reply ..and if i had to correct everyone of your mistakes it would eat up too much of my precious time .. Give me a reason why you opened up a flaming thread to say let the wars commence or something to that effect .. exactly! and if you want to discuss this in PM's then feel free
 
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Stalkid64

Stalkid64

Citizen(sixty)four
Er... I *did* ask why the thread of mine was closed but the answer wasn't exactly clear and seemed pretty debatable which is why I brought it up. I wasn't and am not in the slightest bit angry, just very confused by why it happened. This is a fairly worthy public debate matter for a site such as this when you start throwing legailty into it.

You say its illegal, that we were boasting about the ownership of illegal software - well, where exactly, when we were just happily discussing best config files and fps rates? Because we mentioned p2p software? People already know about that...

Truly if you want to question the legality of a thread like that, better question the more plentiful supply of "how can I get (game-x) running better on (emulator-x)?" threads as well. After all, aren't they encouraging people to get the highly illegal full-game ROMs working better? Isn't supporting ROM use in such a way virtually identical to what we were doing with a small, buggy, out of date demo? ROM piracy of FULL GAMES would do more harm than tweaking that little DEMO ever would. Emphasis on the important words there...
Another little fun fact for you. On an average day, getting an N64 rom used to take me on average 2/3 hours with a crappy modem. That's a full, available commercial game remember - say a 40 hour epic like Zelda.
Right now, without broadband, getting DOOM 3 is taking around 36 hours. Which is more encouraging for piracy? 3 hours for a full commercial game of Zelda quality, or a day and a half for an alpha stage demo which in all probability won't run very well for you?
If anyone wants to continue the legality debate here in the fairly intelligent manner we're probably all capable of, feel free.
I personally find it very interesting that a 3-level early demo is being seen as if it were more illegal than piracy of full games. ???

And if anyone regards them as being the same sort of thing legal-wise, please answer the original question and tell us what we're allowed to talk about now, as that puts ROM's out of the question too as they must be equally illegal. IMHO, talking about something like this is no more likely to influence piracy, than playing a violent game is to make you want to go out and blow things up with a shotgun. People are gonna do what they want, and talking about it as we were after the fact affects no-one.

And incidentally, thanks to Martin and Jaz for allowing this thread to continue btw. Nice to see two high-class people finally recognising what's *really* been going on around here lately, and I have great respect for you both for that. :)

EDIT: Gee, long post even by my standards.:cry:
 
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vampireuk

Mr. Super Clever
would you like me to apologise again? Or would you prefer it in hand draughted form, framed and also signed?
 

Jaz

Ex-Mod
bodie said:
Give me a reason why you opened up a flaming thread to say let the wars commence or something to that effect

Yes, you're right. I must of forgot we switched the words discussion and flaming again.

Oh, and debate and wars.
 

bodie

Member
no you are right .. and i would prove you right but the main thread in question seems to have been deleted ..strange for a closed thread .. oh well :p
regards the subtle one
 

blizz

New member
I personally find it very interesting that a 3-level early demo is being seen as if it were more illegal than piracy of full games

how can it be more illegal than a piracy of a full game when they're both the same crime! and that's the reason why!

You don't get it do you, that thread was getting out of control, I did it because that thread was too ambiguous at the moment, we walk a fine enough line with ROMs as it is, but the thread was treating Doom3 as though it was a legal PD ROM or freeware even, there is a fine line between what is and isn't allowed and I judged it to be over that line

If you don't like that, fine, but don't get all "l33t h@x0r" on me when you blatantly have worked or do currently work in the games industry! How would you feel if that was a game you worked on? A technology you worked hard to develop as a secret for the future profits and stability of your job?

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you can argue that Doom3 is secure enough in that's it's far into it's development cycle, but I can assure you that there are dev teams out there, working on any platform who will have taken a look at that alpha and learned a few lessons from it, and undoubtedly taken some ideas down
 

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