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Project64’s Future (donations and v1.7 beta development)

Doomulation

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It's done when it's done. And that is all that you will know, unless you yourself donate a little. However, if IF you do, don't expect to know a release date, just what is going on behind the scenes and maybe, just maybe, a hint, some time when it is nearing a 1.7 release.
 

cdbsi

Sugar Beet Salesman
K, I just made a donation. I hope that helps! :D

chriharr said:
I would be more than happy to donate to PJ64 to support on-going developement of the emulator, although i don't want to donate and see no real progress in the next release, im hoping that real progress is being made through the 1.7 beta release, i will more than likely donate in a week or 2 as i would like to test the 1.7 beta, i seriously hope my money helps support the project

Long Live Project 64

That shouldn't be the focus of making a donation. Donations are merely an official way of saying thank you to the developers. Heck, it would be great if everyone whom downloaded this app had to donate 5 bucks, then we'd be seeing some major progress. ;)

Mekun said:
Im sorry but 20$ dollars? Way to high try like maybe 5 bucks. I know it may be wrong to disagree but thats the way it goes. Thats almost the cost of a game at the store, which is finished.

Oh, come on, don't be lame. Why don't you imagine life without Project64, then start talking.
 
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ackmondual

New member
chriharr said:
I would be more than happy to donate to PJ64 to support on-going developement of the emulator, although i don't want to donate and see no real progress in the next release, im hoping that real progress is being made through the 1.7 beta release, i will more than likely donate in a week or 2 as i would like to test the 1.7 beta, i seriously hope my money helps support the project

Long Live Project 64

I'm sure the donation will help the team regardless. They mentioned somewhere that while of course the more $$ the better, any amount will do, especially if many people only donate that amount since the money will add up. However, keep in mind, all in all it IS just a donation.

You need to enter the notion that the hour if you were send in your donation, the PJ64 team could announce end support for good, disband and get back to the rest of their lives in full. Such donations are true with even commercial products. Support and donations for them is no garuantee that the the next big sequel or upgrade will come to fruition. However again, seeing as this project has come along 6 years from something so-so to IMHO the best N64 emu out there, it looks like the PJ64 team has some miles left in them. IMO again, I don't know what possible major improvements there could be, other than better game compatibility or video/ROM issues. I'm happy with what we've got now. In a fantasy world, I'd like the PJ64 team to make improvements to other emus like ePSXe (which I use and like very much, but it could still use improvement). I'm not a big multiplayer person for emus, but I guess netplay could be exciting if it isn't at the cost of what's already available.

Bottom line, donate b/c 1) you want the PJ64 team to have the $$ for their past efforts as well as their present and future efforts and 2) you want the members only forum access and early beta access. Otherwise, don't consider donation $$ to be thrown away if the next build isn't quite what we expected or hope.

I just realized that the next version that us 'solid' donaters get to use is a beta. I know in some circles, betas are more stable and better than any final product, even that's sold commercially will ever be, but with my more complex emulators (anything "above" GBA), I'd prefer the kinks to be worked out for good while sticking with a working version that I'm used to. Nice to know the priveliged forums are also available as another nicety.

Mekun said:
Im sorry but 20$ dollars? Way to high try like maybe 5 bucks. I know it may be wrong to disagree but thats the way it goes. Thats almost the cost of a game at the store, which is finished.

Not sure about your demographics, but in the eastern US, only games in the bargain bins go for $20. This includes your typical selection of olden PC, GC, PS2, and XB. Generation before that like n64 and ps1 especially so. New curr-gen PC and console games go for $40 to $60.

Sure, you can buy N64 cartridges on ebay for $4 to $20 a pop, and that's with shipping included, but upon its release, N64 games went for $100 a pop for new games before PS1 came out and Nintendo dropped it to $60.

Even if you were to buy a used N64 now, it'll still cost around $40 and up. $20 should be a small fraction for most ppl who also pay $30 to $150/mo for internet and/or TV, $40+/mo for cellphone bill, and hundreds of $$ for insurance. I think there was talk of a "required" donation of $20/yr for those who'd like to retain priveliges for members access, but still a small drop in the bucket. I know some ppl here may not be as in a financially ideal situation, but i suppose that would be forgoing half a concert ticket.

Long story short again, IMO, $20 is reasonable. U can always donate what you have now and pay the difference later for the bonus stuff. Just make sure the recipients are aware of your previous donations.
 
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Doomulation

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Betas are far more unstable than any final product. And really, the builds that are available to donators should actually be named "alphas," since they are development in progress and are hardly tested. It's up to the donaters to actually test them.
 

Danny

Programmer | Moderator
Yeah i agree. I donated $20 and think it's worth every penny. you can even dump textures with the new plugins in v1.7. I think anyone who has used this emulator over the years should donate, if anything just to thank the team for all there hard work.
 

ShadowFX

Guardian
I donated awhile ago as well, but I want to seriously begin testing once I have new system to be able use the new versions at its fullest. Either way, it is totally worth it (like most said in this thread) and the developers deserve it. It feels good to give something in return :)
 

ackmondual

New member
Doomulation said:
Betas are far more unstable than any final product. And really, the builds that are available to donators should actually be named "alphas," since they are development in progress and are hardly tested. It's up to the donaters to actually test them.

What I meant was one beta for one software can be far more stable than the final/retail of another similar product. I was _NOT_ talking about the same product.
 

axcc123

Hungry For Answers
ackmondual said:
What I meant was one beta for one software can be far more stable than the final/retail of another similar product. I was _NOT_ talking about the same product.

pj 64 beta it makes 1.6 look like childs play meaning it is a hell of a lot better donate today!!!!!!!!!!!!:pj64: RULES!!!!!!!!
 

rprsplitter9

New member
Are you members aloud to tell us anything about the progress thats being made, if I had some idea of what kind of news they give you in the members area theres probobly a 90% chance I would donate. Not that they don't deserve the money, but me being 14 and not being able to get a job makes it hard to get earn some spare cash.
 
Mekun said:
Im sorry but 20$ dollars? Way to high try like maybe 5 bucks. I know it may be wrong to disagree but thats the way it goes. Thats almost the cost of a game at the store, which is finished.
i have to agree with this statement somewhat. $20 is far to much. i wouldnt pay even near $20 for an incomplete, most likely buggy, and possibly unstable beta version of a piece of software. like pointed at in this quote. id much rather spend my $20 at a store on a game a year or so old thats stable and actually complete rather than on something that could be the total opposite.

feel free to flame me on my opinion if you want. i just think the price is a bit greedy for an unfinished work...
 

Doomulation

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Noobnugget said:
feel free to flame me on my opinion if you want. i just think the price is a bit greedy for an unfinished work...
1) It isn't much and is hardly greedy.
2) You are DONATING to the Pj team. As a THANKS you can access the private member board and voice your opinions, download beta versions and comment on those too. You are showing your appreciation to the pj team. You can donate less, too, of course, but you won't get access to the board and betas.
 

Smiff

Emutalk Member
an advantage of having it at $20 rather than $5 is we only get poeple who really care on the site, which is better for us and for other donators.

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the point, we have tried to make clear, is that you are not buying a piece of software, you are donating toward project64 development. then you have the option of using new versions if you like before they go public. so its just a good way to help each other out, and i don't want to pressure people into it at all. but we're definately not going to drop the suggested amount because what would that achieve?
 
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smcd

Active member
Noobnugget said:
i have to agree with this statement somewhat. $20 is far to much. i wouldnt pay even near $20 for an incomplete, most likely buggy, and possibly unstable beta version of a piece of software. like pointed at in this quote. id much rather spend my $20 at a store on a game a year or so old thats stable and actually complete rather than on something that could be the total opposite.

feel free to flame me on my opinion if you want. i just think the price is a bit greedy for an unfinished work...

So donate for being able to use pj64 1.6 and below since they are a "finished work" and as a side effect of your donation, you'll get a glimpse into the future of n64 emulation ;) Most software on the market today is never in a "complete" status, it's always changing.
 

Smiff

Emutalk Member
btw i think 1.7 is almost stable (if you count 1.6 as stable, its getting to about the same level imho). i was talking to zilmar about this last night - there are not many obvious bugs left, he's been working solidly on cleaning it up for the last few builds. so we're pretty happy the new app is maturing quite nicely and close to useable as a full replacement for 1.6. just in case anyone was wondering about that! :) (the video plugin has never really been less stable than 1.6).

i'm not saying its perfect, i'm saying its close to good enough so an average person can just use it without too much hassle.. that puts us in a good position soon to do more interesting enhancements and emulation.

of course there's always a danger of new posted builds breaking things (being more alpha than beta), but mostly we're very quick about fixing any regressions, and they are quite rare anyway.
/me looks at jabo and his setup button
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ackmondual

New member
Noobnugget said:
i have to agree with this statement somewhat. $20 is far to much. i wouldnt pay even near $20 for an incomplete, most likely buggy, and possibly unstable beta version of a piece of software. like pointed at in this quote. id much rather spend my $20 at a store on a game a year or so old thats stable and actually complete rather than on something that could be the total opposite.

feel free to flame me on my opinion if you want. i just think the price is a bit greedy for an unfinished work...

It seems like you just solved your own concern. You think $20 is too much and you'd rather be spending on game-of-the-year or stable games. It sounds like quitting PJ64 and playing n64 games on a real n64 is what you should be doing, since emus will never be 100% as stable as the real thing (it can come VERY close tho).

Or, you can just _NOT_ donate and still use PJ64. It does cost nothing to use it. Honestly, how many of us really "need" to prerelease access and special forum access? And again, remember, these people are doing it for the fun of it, for free, for US. They can jump ship at anytime, and IMHO, we'd be losing quite a fine ship, altho i think i mentioned this in another post, the rest seem to be issues with game/video compatibility
 

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