Piracy Poll
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Tri-Force
Philosopher Warrior
with mod chips you still have to by the console. and we can start talking about MP3s and whatnot too. but music is still selling and so are games. mostly i think people who chip their systems are the ones who aren't going to buy games anyway i know that sounds way off and i probally am but that's my inital thought.
rob in london
amiga nut
as sombody who has pirated a lot of stuff (but never for profit) i dont see what all the fuss is about. i buy the games/software i can afford, and copy the rest. its not like those companies are loosing my money, since they wouldn't have got it anyway. i wouldn't pay somone else for copied software.
EdgeBlade
Brandonn
I actually got rid of all my pirated stuff, including my ROMs.
While they didn't technically lose any money because I wouldn't have bought it anyway, it's still illegal. The problem is I'm using something I got for free. If I want to enjoy something that cost money I should pay for it and support the makers.
My attidude has always been, "it's wrong but so what?". But I want to have a good chacter, and support things I like, rather than continue to be a blood sucking leach.
I'm only 19, but someday I plan on having kids and i don't want them thinking it's alright because Daddy does it. The whole piricy thing has just got so common that just about everyone is supporting it and saying it's not bad at all. It's to the point where it seems to be the in thing to do. For all those reasons and more I've straied away from the whole thing.
But it's not a big loss for me because, while it was a big deal at first, I no longer care not having everything I want for free. Besides, I value things more when I pay for them because I had to work for it, and for me, that makes it more enjoyable.
While they didn't technically lose any money because I wouldn't have bought it anyway, it's still illegal. The problem is I'm using something I got for free. If I want to enjoy something that cost money I should pay for it and support the makers.
My attidude has always been, "it's wrong but so what?". But I want to have a good chacter, and support things I like, rather than continue to be a blood sucking leach.
I'm only 19, but someday I plan on having kids and i don't want them thinking it's alright because Daddy does it. The whole piricy thing has just got so common that just about everyone is supporting it and saying it's not bad at all. It's to the point where it seems to be the in thing to do. For all those reasons and more I've straied away from the whole thing.
But it's not a big loss for me because, while it was a big deal at first, I no longer care not having everything I want for free. Besides, I value things more when I pay for them because I had to work for it, and for me, that makes it more enjoyable.
Tri-Force
Philosopher Warrior
it should not be illegal to copy a game from a friend just like it's not illegal to copy a CD from a friend. as long as you're not buying it from someone or selling it for your own gain it's not illegal. and even after WinMX i still go to the movies, buy games and music. it was BECAUSE of emulation that i bought playstation games. and it's BECAUSE of mp3's that i buy a lot of music. and it's because of the fact that i can try a game that doesn't have a demo out before i buy it that i buy it.
rob in london
amiga nut
tri-force, under international copyright laws copying cds from your friends IS illegal. but who cares?
sk8bloke22
roll for life
the problem is that there is no real limit to the definition of piracy. if lending games is illegal, and i understand the principal behind it, but its too imposing. they might as well make borrowing illegal, or lending sugar illegal. okay thats a bit OTT, but its such a tricky topic.
i mean, theres the issue that its up to each person if they want to do the 'right' thing, rather than impose it, but when it comes to something like computer games, im sure most users would rather get it for free/dirt cheap, than pay. piracy is definitely harmful for companies, but sooo many ppl do it, me included. dunno wat to say really, i guess nintendo's methods and to some extent sony's (ps2 is practically impossible to hav fully modded unless u solder a 40+ wire mod, something which certainly isnt too appealing for many)... but the internet, in its current state, is impossible to regulate. of course, within 10 years, there will likely be some integrated policing system, considering governments are already researching into it...although that really would defeat the point of the internet - most notably, the freedom of infomation....
i mean, theres the issue that its up to each person if they want to do the 'right' thing, rather than impose it, but when it comes to something like computer games, im sure most users would rather get it for free/dirt cheap, than pay. piracy is definitely harmful for companies, but sooo many ppl do it, me included. dunno wat to say really, i guess nintendo's methods and to some extent sony's (ps2 is practically impossible to hav fully modded unless u solder a 40+ wire mod, something which certainly isnt too appealing for many)... but the internet, in its current state, is impossible to regulate. of course, within 10 years, there will likely be some integrated policing system, considering governments are already researching into it...although that really would defeat the point of the internet - most notably, the freedom of infomation....
sk8bloke22
roll for life
nope. ps2 is damn hard to crack. probably the most difficult (bar the gamecube and its intsy-bitsy cute 'lil discs).the first mods were terrible, had horrible results and required a particular version of gameshark to work. now there are plenty of swap-mods (involve swapping discs) but they also hav a fair shair of probs (eg. only a few play cdrs over 630mb as the the largest size gameshark cd is currently 634mb, and thus it involves great difficulty in developing a mod which will allow one to play cdr games over 634mb). the only true no swap mod (the one that has 40+ wires...which means 80+ solder points on the ps2 mobo) named Messiah is hella expensive, and the company behind it was shut down by sony...
Josep
eyerun4phun
hey guys, i know people that still buy dreamcast games ok, there are PLEANTY of idiots that pay for games, OR people that like to contribute to the companies that made the game and thought they did a good job. Thats about it, how piracy happens is only a matter of time for each console, not if it'll happen, because there are people out there that are always looking for a way to exploit/pirate something...some people would say n64 emulation is an exploit on the n64...but yes we all have our reasons for saying its not
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Well, here you all see how smart Nintendo really was....many people complain about the GC not having a DVD, but it was really a extremely smart move from the N. XBox is already cracked, the PS2 long ago. The GC...nope. (yadda, the Q is cracked, but then again, that one use normal DVDs). But, in some time i'm sure it will be possible to burn games on mini dvds and play it on the GC, but it'll take some time. Meanwhile people will copy like crazy on the Xbox...
Sk8bloke: The PS2 is NOT hard to crack at all )the mod chips ain't THAT compicated....and you can get many stores to do it for you), and was cracked almost at once it was released......only thing is that DVD burners are so expensive, but many games fit on 1 cd....
Sk8bloke: The PS2 is NOT hard to crack at all )the mod chips ain't THAT compicated....and you can get many stores to do it for you), and was cracked almost at once it was released......only thing is that DVD burners are so expensive, but many games fit on 1 cd....
Smiff
Emutalk Member
What games sellers need to do:
Lower prices, make better value games, don't treat buyers as potential criminals.
What games buyers need to do:
Spend a moderate amount at legitimate sources. Don't buy full price games, but don't pirate instead of buying either. Buy second hand and older discounted stuff.
Only buy good games (this sounds stupid, but it's something that people seem to get wrong again and again and again... research, don't buy on a whim. If you DO feel cheated, complain!)
Lower prices, make better value games, don't treat buyers as potential criminals.
What games buyers need to do:
Spend a moderate amount at legitimate sources. Don't buy full price games, but don't pirate instead of buying either. Buy second hand and older discounted stuff.
Only buy good games (this sounds stupid, but it's something that people seem to get wrong again and again and again... research, don't buy on a whim. If you DO feel cheated, complain!)
OP
aprentice
Moderator
- Thread Starter
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flow`` said:
flow`` is right. When you buy the game you have something of value on hand. Pirate CD's carry no value. I also buy all my games cause I realized what do you have to show for if you pirate all your games? All the games i buy i put neatly on my bookshelf for display. Thats something you cant do with pirate cds. Then you gotta go through the trouble of modding etc. Game companies are hurt by pirating. Its not always true that a pirate is a pirate cause he will never buy the games. If piracy wasnt an option that person would buy the game if he/she really liked it. Also If you complain about the quality, whos forcing you to buy it? If the quality sucks, you wouldnt need to pirate it cause the game would suck period. Most piraters are potential buyers who were given the option "free" and went that way. Not everyone knows about piracy, not everyone is willing to go through the trouble, and not everyone is a thief, thus giving gaming companies revenues. I dont believe the gaming companies loose money due to piracy but i do believe the loose potential money. I also dont agree with the pricing of some of the games, but if the game is worth it why not, its not like your buying the consoles game library. My 2 cents.
EdgeBlade
Brandonn
Good idea Smiff.
Most everyone that pirates stuff will support it in one way or another.
"it should not be illegal to copy a game from a friend just like it's not illegal to copy a CD from a friend. as long as you're not buying it from someone or selling it for your own gain it's not illegal."
Excuses like that really just show how distorted the view of the general public is on piricy due to it being so common now. I used the excuses of I d/l games and buy the one's I like. With while true, still shouldn't matter. I still got use out of the other games and fun, so I should have bought them in the first place.
But anyway, just to inform those that don't know. When you buy games or any other type of software what you are actually paying for is a lisence to use that program. The most common basic lisences will be for a single user. If you want your friend to check it out on his comp leagly, then you'd have to uninstall if from your computer first. There would only be able to be one instalition of it at any given time. There are other lisnces as well, like one that lets you install the same thing on a set number of machines.
Surprise-suprise, if you buy a game and install it one 2 computers, even if both are yours, your most likly going aginst the lisence
Most everyone that pirates stuff will support it in one way or another.
"it should not be illegal to copy a game from a friend just like it's not illegal to copy a CD from a friend. as long as you're not buying it from someone or selling it for your own gain it's not illegal."
Excuses like that really just show how distorted the view of the general public is on piricy due to it being so common now. I used the excuses of I d/l games and buy the one's I like. With while true, still shouldn't matter. I still got use out of the other games and fun, so I should have bought them in the first place.
But anyway, just to inform those that don't know. When you buy games or any other type of software what you are actually paying for is a lisence to use that program. The most common basic lisences will be for a single user. If you want your friend to check it out on his comp leagly, then you'd have to uninstall if from your computer first. There would only be able to be one instalition of it at any given time. There are other lisnces as well, like one that lets you install the same thing on a set number of machines.
Surprise-suprise, if you buy a game and install it one 2 computers, even if both are yours, your most likly going aginst the lisence