Eagle said:
And how was this whole hostage situation Carter's fault. From what that article you yourself posted, Carter did what he could.
Yes, and he was a pussy. He refused to allow the members of the rescue operations to kill any of the terrorists' guards at the embassy. Why? Because thats what democrats do, they let political correctness interfere with common sense. This is the same reason vietnam turned out the way that it did.
Eagle said:
But thats what I'm saying, the economy didnt noticably start to decline until Bush was elected into office. And now you want to blame it all on Clinton's administration.
Yes, NAFTA does ring a bell, it was an excellent plan to unite the north american continent in trade without the worry of import taxes. I still support NAFTA.
What sy said on both accounts. Also, nafta is part of the reason our economy is shit today.
Eagle said:
Clinton didnt send troops into iraq because he didnt feel it was necessary to inflame the situation caused by his predecessor.
You mean that we should have let iraq take over kuwait?
Eagle said:
If he had it would not have been another Vietnam, thats mere speculation to say that it would be. What kind of evidence is there to support this? Track record?
Didn't I just mention somalia?
Eagle said:
Blow the hell out of every one else with little reason and rule the world. Yep, that is handling it alright. We gave him the power to retaliate on the Al Queida after 9/11 and he abused it by pushing further into countries uninvolved with the incendent.
Alchy said:
Even Iraqis who hated Sadam resent the current American presence in Iraq.
I've come across this view from Americans before. Some of you seem to have this peculiar notion that, afer bombing their country and destroying their livelyhoods for the last 10 years, that they would welcome you with arms open after you invade their capital city, guns blazing. That democracy would be restored, and you could all go home heroes... in fact, you set a date: June 30th 2004. After which you're apparently going to leave the country to its own devices ("democratic" or not). And the way talks are going, that would mean widespread looting, chaos, insecurity and a complete lack of any reasonable kind of infrastructure - the joys of "freedom", I suppose.
You guys want to know something funny? The media lies their asses off to you guys. They only report the bad shit because you guys really do in fact love it, and you listen to them more and more when they give you lots of drama, because you too allow political correctness to overcome your common sense. Theres a
lot more good shit than bad shit happening there these days, you guys just
never hear about it.
It gets better too. I'll swear that slashdot is the most anti-bush crowd there ever was. (hell, most of them loved the idea of a renewed space program, but suddenly hated the idea after bush announced a plan for one.) Yet when slashdot interviewed somebody in iraq who participates in a linux users group, they got one hell of a revelation which contradicted everything they believed about bush and iraq. You can see it for yourself
here. Better yet, look at this
old post I made a while back.
Eagle said:
And still he has found no REAL evidence of biological weapons. Everything they have found could be linked back to before Bush Sr. was in office, before we put restrictions on their weapon creation. We persecuted them for something they did before we told them they couldnt. Thats like arresting somebody for breaking a law 2 years ago that we just ratified last month.
Go read that article again.
Alchy said:
...the fact that he's universally despised, on a global scale, more than any other single human being
Ah, more than hitler, bin laden, and saddam? Thats the problem with you guys, you allow groupthink to completely override your common sense. You just hate bush simply to hate him, nevermind his policies, and thats all there is to it, and all there ever will be.
Anyways, I am done with this thread, I've got a lot of homework ahead of me the next few days/weeks and will no longer have the time to reply. You guys take the last words.