Is she hot?

[AlphaWolf]

I obviously don't agree with that stunt intent on humiliation

I don't have an exact statistic, but I would say that in the majority of these cases, humiliation is what will occur. What I said above would not make it a crime unless the victim decides to press charges (this is how most civil violations work.)

IIRC its been medically proven that you can cure this problem psychologically. I don't understand why they are permitted to undergo the sex change surgery, in males especially. The fact is, no matter how much you change the bits and peices in the groin, every cell in your body is programmed to be a specific sex, and there is no changing this, period. The male body requires certain amounts of natural testosterone, which are mostly secreted by the testes. Without this, you are far more prone to undergo psychological depression, which leads to a shorter lifespan, etc.

 

[minkster]

...i had a feeling he was a man when i first came in this thread... my penis never lies to me... QUOTE]

god damnit my penis lied! im afraid to look at women the same way again :gunman:

 

[Davemc]

Aside from the UK since its not been aired here

There's Something About Miriam was on Sky One here about a month ago, it had about 8 episodes to the series every Sunday. (It was on after Dream Team
acman: )

 

[Talas]

Just showed the pics to some friends. One of them said "GOSH! What a gal, oh I would like to be her tanga." ;-) My oh my, should have photographed the face after he saw that it was a guy.

 

[Alchy]

IIRC its been medically proven that you can cure this problem psychologically. I don't understand why they are permitted to undergo the sex change surgery, in males especially.

Why do you assume it's a "problem"? If someone wants to have a sex change, feels that they need it, and they've got the cash, why not? Leave them to it. It's none of your damn business. Yeah I'd be pissed if I went with a girl that turned out to be a guy, but it's nothing to start legal action over. What is it about Americans and suing people?

I remember seeing a talk show once (I think it was maury) where several years ago some lady was legally married to what she thought was a man for two years. You think punishment for something like that isn't warranted?

Oh God... Anyone who gets fucking married to a man who turns out to be a woman deserves anything they get

 

[Davemc]

Although he's sounding like a cunt, I'd have to agree with Alpha.

 

[deesse]

...i had a feeling he was a man when i first came in this thread... my penis never lies to me... QUOTE]

god damnit my penis lied! im afraid to look at women the same way again :gunman:

yah, you must considering women again

 

[GogoTheMimic]

By proxy I assumed it was a man, why you ask? I usually don't see "Hey, look at this hot chick!" threads on forums unless there is something wrong with the picture. Had the picture just been shown to me somewhere though, I would've thought it was a chick. *nod*

 

[t0rek]

I'm just wondering if Allnatural intentions at the time he made this thread were just post something funny or make a political and intense moral debate...

 

[zAlbee]

IIRC its been medically proven that you can cure this problem psychologically.

"proven", "cure"? Those are pretty strong words for describing something as complicated and unknown as the human mind. Also saying that it is a problem needing to be fixed is a pretty glaring assumption.

The fact is, no matter how much you change the bits and peices in the groin, every cell in your body is programmed to be a specific sex, and there is no changing this, period.

Ever heard of mutations? As you may know, gender is determined by the two sex chromosomes provided in the sperm and egg cell:

XX = female
XY = male

Gametogenesis isn't always perfect; once in a while the sex chromosomes don't separate after replication (nondisjunction) and extras result, e.g.:

XXY = Klinefelter syndrome - this makes you a sterile male with smaller testes and enlarged breasts + other feminine charateristics.

And yes you are right, your sex is programmed into every one of your cells, it just so happens that in this case the sex is not well-defined.

The male body requires certain amounts of natural testosterone, which are mostly secreted by the testes. Without this, you are far more prone to undergo psychological depression, which leads to a shorter lifespan, etc.

yeah, probably lots of side effects if you remove them. Incidentally, lack of testosterone is a major factor in developing female secondary sex characteristics, which might actually be desirable for the patient undergoing surgery.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Oh God... Anyone who gets fucking married to a man who turns out to be a woman deserves anything they get

That is comparable to saying that if a woman dresses in provocative clothing, then she deserves to be raped.

"proven", "cure"? Those are pretty strong words for describing something as complicated and unknown as the human mind. Also saying that it is a problem needing to be fixed is a pretty glaring assumption.

This has always been described as a medical condition. Isn't the undoing of a medical condition called a cure?

Ever heard of mutations? As you may know, gender is determined by the two sex chromosomes provided in the sperm and egg cell:

Actually the sperm alone determines this

Gametogenesis isn't always perfect; once in a while the sex chromosomes don't separate after replication (nondisjunction) and extras result, e.g.:

XXY = Klinefelter syndrome - this makes you a sterile male with smaller testes and enlarged breasts + other feminine charateristics.

Interesting, never heard of that before, it sounds a bit like down syndrome, which is nondisjunction in the 21st chromosome pair as opposed to the 23rd pair. I don't believe that this would be the cause of the problem that most experience though, as if its anything like down syndrome, it would be fewer than 1 in 1000 births (much fewer, because the 23rd chromosome pair disjoins far easier than the 21st as its significantly larger.)

As for the rest, I doubt any type of mutation has anything to do with it. Thus far nobody has identified any "gay gene" mutation, which has been well sought after. The only other possible explanation would be a psychological disorder. Biology is a very new science though, so its hard to tell.

yeah, probably lots of side effects if you remove them. Incidentally, lack of testosterone is a major factor in developing female secondary sex characteristics, which might actually be desirable for the patient undergoing surgery.

So we treat the problem by creating new ones?

 

[Talas]

This has always been described as a medical condition. Isn't the undoing of a medical condition called a cure?

It is of course. But you cant say that the wish to change gender is a medical problem. That would be same as if you would say that being homosexual was a medical problem too, which it isnt.

Actually the sperm alone determines this

Are you sure? Then how do you explain the fact that its possible to create an embryo via two egg cells? Without the sperm?

 

[Clements]

That's because haploid Egg cells (oocyte) only contain X chromosomes whereas male sperm can carry an X OR Y chromosome, so Alphawolf is right in saying that the male determines the sex of the offspring. That also explains why the ratio of males:females is almost 50:50.

 

[AlphaWolf]

It is of course. But you cant say that the wish to change gender is a medical problem. That would be same as if you would say that being homosexual was a medical problem too, which it isnt.

It used to be described as one: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34943

That also explains why the ratio of males:females is almost 50:50.

Females actually have a 4% advantage, because the female sperm are larger and can survive longer (but they also move slower)

 

[pj64er]

Females actually have a 4% advantage, because the female sperm are larger and can survive longer (but they also move slower)

cool. someone should make a racing game

 

[AlphaWolf]

I know this will piss a lot of people off (its what I do, deal with it ) but I personally class all of these sex fetish things in the same category. Some people like dead bodies, animals, and little boys, even gay people often look down upon transexuals, but IMO they are all in the same. All of them have been treated with psychological therapy in far more than one case, and if one should be considered a medical problem then all of them should. But, provided they keep me out of it, I guess if its out of sight its out of mind *shrug*

 

[Flash]

I know this will piss a lot of people off (its what I do, deal with it ) but I personally class all of these sex fetish things in the same category. Some people like dead bodies, animals, and little boys, even gay people often look down upon transexuals, but IMO they are all in the same .

They all are perverts. I don't understand why some people consider gays "more normal" than zoophiles or fetishists (fetishism is probably less dangerous type of perversion but.... )

 

[deesse]

I know this will piss a lot of people off (its what I do, deal with it ) but I personally class all of these sex fetish things in the same category. Some people like dead bodies, animals, and little boys, even gay people often look down upon transexuals, but IMO they are all in the same. All of them have been treated with psychological therapy in far more than one case, and if one should be considered a medical problem then all of them should. But, provided they keep me out of it, I guess if its out of sight its out of mind *shrug*

dead bodies, ... don't want to imagine that lain:

 

[zAlbee]

This has always been described as a medical condition. Isn't the undoing of a medical condition called a cure?

Yes, but I am doubting whether they have actually been cured. The problem likely arose out of a combination of physical (if not genetic, then certainly hormonal) and psychological factors, so only psychology alone as a cure seems sketchy.

Actually the sperm alone determines this

Of course.

Are you sure? Then how do you explain the fact that its possible to create an embryo via two egg cells? Without the sperm?

These would always be female (XX). :flowers:

Interesting, never heard of that before, it sounds a bit like down syndrome, which is nondisjunction in the 21st chromosome pair as opposed to the 23rd pair. I don't believe that this would be the cause of the problem that most experience though, as if its anything like down syndrome, it would be fewer than 1 in 1000 births (much fewer, because the 23rd chromosome pair disjoins far easier than the 21st as its significantly larger.)

XXY occurs every 1 in 2000 births, about half that of down syndrome. With 6 billion people on earth, that makes up quite a number.

As for the rest, I doubt any type of mutation has anything to do with it. Thus far nobody has identified any "gay gene" mutation, which has been well sought after. The only other possible explanation would be a psychological disorder. Biology is a very new science though, so its hard to tell.

Agreed, I don't think they have found any physical basis for homosexuality either. But there are enough physiological interactions happening that you can't completely rule it out. Hormones have the annoying property of being able to reach all cells in the body (few exceptions). And they can have completely different effects on different organs, thanks to different receptors on each cell surface. Bio is really a pain in the ass. :doh:

So we treat the problem by creating new ones?

I am simply saying that if the goal is to trasnform from transgendered to female, then surgery is a feasble way to come close to that goal. It's their choice if they feel the potential side effects are better than living with both testes and breasts or whatnot. I frankly don't care what decision they make, as I don't believe it is fatal.

 

[vampireuk]

They all are perverts. I don't understand why some people consider gays "more normal" than zoophiles or fetishists (fetishism is probably less dangerous type of perversion but.... )

I'd like to see you call my brother a pervert, in the 3 seconds before he breaks your teeth