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[AlphaWolf]

Alpha, and RC gamer, if I understand well, your argumentation is backed up by the assumption that perpetuating life at the personnal scale is good,

No. Usually when I speak about procreation, I am only speaking in terms of natural selection and evolution.

and that anything that pervents you of transmitting your DNA is bad

Yes. Natural selection basically means that any gene that can't perpetuate itself will be selectively removed.

Did you ever thought that life is rather pointless... The life on earth will most probably cease to exist some day, anyway...

That is really moving into a religious area beyond the reach of science, which I usually am not interested in. (mainly because its nothing but assumption, and when you assume, you are making an ass of u and me )

The main goal of everyone on earth is to try to be happy, not to perpetuate life.

Every gene in your body will disagree. The entire purpose of your existence is to ensure the survival of your species. Have you ever wondered why you don't live forever? What life form would evolve if it lived forever? What species would ever improve if it weren't eventually replaced by a younger, more adept generation? Your body was only designed to survive long enough to mature, have offspring, and raise them to maturity. The time you have after that is only remotely essential to your purpose, and you are no longer necessary at that point.

Most sexual perversions don't harm anybody anybody, anyway.

Depends on who "anybody" is.

If you consider that that majority == normality, then blonde people with blue eyes are definitely not normal at an internationnal scale...

Sorry, but I never believed in the aryan race philosophy. In fact, if you ask me, I think that they don't fit what you'd call superiority in terms of evolution, but then evolution doesn't necessarily have a distinct top or bottom so I really can't say.

If you think that what's natural is good, and that human should take example on the animals, then please turn off your computer immediately, I don't know of any animal besides man that would be able to use a computer the way you do.

If you want my personal belief, its that everybody should be able to perform not only their primary technological skill, but also all of the basic tasks necessary for survival, which would include hunting, gathering, etc. If it really came down to it, you couldn't feed $5 to a cow and have him shit out a burger and fries. IMO its pretty shamefull that people can die because of something as simple as a power outage. Technology is good, but don't relie on it (always have a backup.)

The natural/artificial distinction is very pretentious. Man is an animal. Humanity is a part of the nature. Every human behaviour is therefore natural.

Like commiting suicide? Not exactly what I would call a survival trait.

- If you make a testosterone injection to a straight female, you will raise her sexual appetite... for men!! (the fact that men think about sex more often than women is related to the amount of testosterone in the blood )

See, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Your state of mind can easily cause your body to secrete different hormones, hence my belief that its a phsychological problem.

Homosexuality is a fact. The problem is not homosexuality in itself, but the way the society, ie most people look at homosexuals. In ancient Greece, it was a perfectly tolerated phenomenon. It isn't the case nowadays in most places in the world, mainly due to the strong influence of the Bible on our culture.

Agreed completely.

Homosexualtiy has been medicalised, there have been attempts for decades to "cure" it with little results.

IIRC that article said about 2/3rds of people who are treated for homosexuality are cured. Psychology is relatively new, it has room to improve.

Provided that transexuals are people with a real sexual identity problem, I think that someone who is surgically transgendered has toi be considered as a sterile person of it's new physical sex.

I don't. If somebody looks like a woman and isn't, I refer to them as a "he."

well first people want to know every gay and bi person and every fetish so they can protect themselves and as soon as you said it nobody wants to hear it

Who said that? What we were saying is that if somebody was attempting to start a relationship under a false pretense, they better speak the truth on the spot. You don't just go around saying "Hi, I'm gay, lets go pound Mr. Slaves butt."

 

[Clements]

So humans haven't progressed beyond mindless automatons intent on passing on genetic information? Humans have complex feelings, and sometimes they have feelings towards a member of the same sex. Big deal.

Bashing gays is always wrong. I know gay people. I have gay relatives. They do not have psychological problems and don't need to be cured, they are happy so let them live their life. You can't find any excuses for prejudice, even scientific ones.

 

[Talas]

@Alpha

You are right when you say that principally the purpose in life is simply to have kids. However, in order to make that an argument against gay people I repeat that you would have to be against condomes, blowjobs and sex for fun (´course you can change that, but who does anyway before he REALLY wants to have kids?). Ok, if you think thats not ok too then your argumentation makes sense, otherwise its two-fold.

 

[gokuss4]

If you want my opinion, I will keep it short. Homosexuals are just part of population control for the human race. though it would be strange if the last two humans on this earth (male and female) were both homosexual, but I would guess by then that they will put aside their homosexuality and keep our race surviving, but that's a bit of a different topic.

 

[AlphaWolf]

So humans haven't progressed beyond mindless automatons intent on passing on genetic information?

Some haven't, and they constantly try to indulge their most basic instincts. These are the ones who can't get their minds off of the subject and are addicted to sexual activities and define themselves as "sexual beings." I believe you already know which type of person is most known for this.

You are right when you say that principally the purpose in life is simply to have kids. However, in order to make that an argument against gay people I repeat that you would have to be against condomes, blowjobs and sex for fun (´course you can change that, but who does anyway before he REALLY wants to have kids?). Ok, if you think thats not ok too then your argumentation makes sense, otherwise its two-fold.

You're about halfway there (I myself have yet to do anything of that nature, don't have any intentions to either, but I honestly care less if anybody else does it.) However my primary complaint against gays has never been about whether or not its natural (although that is a big reason.) Things like this are my biggest complaint. Sexual beings indeed.

 

[sytaylor]

I've always thought words could never damage me if they were never intended for me or about me in any way. As such your example alpha seems a little like your being bothered by other peoples freedom of expression. Which is fine I guess, but a shame also.

 

[vampireuk]

http://www.emutalk.net/showpost.php?p=91038&postcount=14

So of course its ok for you to talk about which woman you fucked in public though? Alpha its rather obvious you are homophobic

 

[AlphaWolf]

So of course its ok for you to talk about which woman you fucked in public though?

No, never have, nor has anybody done so to me.

Let me establish a bit more context into that though. Have you ever seen the talented mr. ripley? Thats basically what this dork was trying to do to me at one point, thats what I got for helping him study for an exam. Oh, and after that incident, the dean reprimanded the guy when two girls complained about it.

 

[zorbid]

Damn, Alpha, you've enlightened me. Now I know the purpose of my existance !! [/sarcasm]

Every gene in my body would disagree... Do you talk with your genes??

I think that your rigid point of view comes from the creationism versus evolutionism debate, which is very present in the US, much less anywhere else in the world (I've learned evolutionism in a jesuit school). Darwinism isn't the holy truth. It's not because it offers another point of view on some stuff covered by the Bible that the whole world has to be seen from this point of view. It's not even accpted as totally exact by geneticians, anyway.

My DNA, who art in my cells;
hallowed be Thy sequence;
...
Amen.

Scientism (nothing to do with scientology) is some kind of religion.

Humanity is what it is today thanks to the social skills of humans. It's humanity that has emerged as a domianant specie, not man as an individual. Our ability to live longer than we can procreate allows the grand parents to keep their grand children, while the parents work, and so on...

On a side note, did you ever realise that your cells live under a very strict communist regime?

 

[AlphaWolf]

I think that your rigid point of view comes from the creationism versus evolutionism debate, which is very present in the US, much less anywhere else in the world (I've learned evolutionism in a jesuit school). Darwinism isn't the holy truth. It's not because it offers another point of view on some stuff covered by the Bible that the whole world has to be seen from this point of view. It's not even accpted as totally exact by geneticians, anyway.

Actually I have formed all of my oppinions entirely on my own. I haven't read any of darwins books, I have only taken a biology class, and the teacher didn't even believe in evolution. As part of an honors project I later did, I studied DNA codon mutations and what impact they have (all of which is information that is known to be true,) and I understood evolution based entirely on that (nevermind the popular theories, the fossil records only support that idea.)

The "every gene" bit is based on the fact that every gene in your body is there thanks to the natural drive to reproduce.

I have read the bible (in fact I have probably read more of it than your average religious zealot,) and its full of all sorts of assumptions of history and things that are just plain rediculous. It doesn't follow any logic in the slightest bit. But I suppose you have to be "spiritual" to understand it, and I tend to see things as they are rather than how somebody else wants me to see them, so I don't have the capability of being "spiritual" But either way I don't need to worry, there are several places in the bible that say that ignorance is also salvation.

Scientism (nothing to do with scientology) is some kind of religion.

I suppose, in a manner of speaking.

On a side note, did you ever realise that your cells live under a very strict communist regime?

Quite so.

 

[Talas]

Some haven't, and they constantly try to indulge their most basic instincts. These are the ones who can't get their minds off of the subject and are addicted to sexual activities and define themselves as "sexual beings." I believe you already know which type of person is most known for this.



You're about halfway there (I myself have yet to do anything of that nature, don't have any intentions to either, but I honestly care less if anybody else does it.) However my primary complaint against gays has never been about whether or not its natural (although that is a big reason.) Things like this are my biggest complaint. Sexual beings indeed.

Ok, yet again, if you dont like that a gay person speaks about its sexual life in public then thats ok. But its only ok if you disagree with heteros doing the same.

You see, if a pal tells me how he fucked a girl I am not interested and tell him to stop, thats to intimate for me to hear. Nor would I tell anyone such things (at least not in sharp detail :saint: ). Had I been in your situation I would have turned around and said to the guy: "Shut the f**k up. No one wants to hear about your sexual experiences." If then anyone tell me that I was homophobic or anything I would tell them to sr**w themselves. :devil: There are some human values I think are important. Respecting other humans freedom is one, respecting good taste is the other. I mean, think about it. Mr. Hetero: "And then I slammed my dick into her ****" Great, very interesting. :term:

 

[Clements]

Let me get a few facts straight.

http://helping.apa.org/daily/answers.html

Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?

No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.

Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?

No; even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, often coerced by family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable. However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.

What About So-Called "Conversion Therapies"?

Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients' sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports however show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of the claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective which condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented. For example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported overtime as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.

The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association's Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology's opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client's right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation has a right to expect that such therapy would take place in a professionally neutral environment absent of any social bias.

Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information.

In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal.

For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.

All of the above directly contradicts Alphawolf's views, and actually uses proper facts. I am in no doubt Alphawolf could find some anti-homosexual information, from the Klu Klux Klan website.

To be honest, I never expected such anti-gay propaganda from any board member. I am tempted to temp-ban, but I'll be lenient this time. Hatred of any group be it black people, disabled people, or gay people is not tolerated at EmuTalk.

 

[rcgamer]

Let me get a few facts straight.

http://helping.apa.org/daily/answers.html

Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?



Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?



What About So-Called "Conversion Therapies"?



Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?



All of the above directly contradicts Alphawolf's views, and actually uses proper facts. I am in no doubt Alphawolf could find some anti-homosexual information, from the Klu Klux Klan website.

To be honest, I never expected such anti-gay propaganda from any board member. I am tempted to temp-ban, but I'll be lenient this time. Hatred of any group be it black people, disabled people, or gay people is not tolerated at EmuTalk.

it would be ridiculous if you were to ban him. why would you need to do? because his views arent like yours. hmmmm interesting.
he has not posted anything more vulgar than others here have. in fact he has said many times to each his own as long as it didnt affect him. he has been arguing his points in intelligent ways. as have most others here.

and this isnt to say i agree or disagree with his view. but it seems to me that you have been more than willing to join the conversation and now because you cant change his view you want to ban him.

no disrespect is intended by this. I respect you very much as a moderator on this board.

 

[Clements]

it would be ridiculous if you were to ban him. why would you need to do? because his views arent like yours. hmmmm interesting.

No, because they incite hatred towards a minority group. This IS not tolerated. If you think that discussion of "How wrong gays are" is acceptable, then you should question yourself. Yes, in the real world you have freedom of speech and can have any opinions you want, but HERE on this message board, Martin makes the rules and I uphold them as member of the staff team. If it isn't in the rules, then I shall take it up in the Staff forum, and I think you know what the result of that will be.

he has not posted anything more vulgar than others here have. in fact he has said many times to each his own as long as it didnt affect him. he has been arguing his points in intelligent ways. as have most others here.

This makes no difference. I could present a pseudo-intelligent arguement claiming how black people are superior to white. He is saying that homosexality is a disease to be purged. This is descrimination. It makes no difference. My arguments were not vulgar, and nor were zorbid's.

and this isnt to say i agree or disagree with his view. but it seems to me that you have been more than willing to join the conversation and now because you cant change his view you want to ban him.

I don't like to resort to such measures, but clearly it is against the board rules to flame/discriminate/spread this horrible hatred.

no disrespect is intended by this. I respect you very much as a moderator on this board.

I do my job like any other mod here, upholding the rules. I shall now appeal for this thread to be closed. Expect a formal apology from me if I am wrong in taking these actions.