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Eddy

I Run This
485+300 = 785, somewhere around the xbox specs (733) How did i prove your argument correct? You still have no valid conclusion. Like i said, and im going to repeat it again, maybe this time you will catch it. The PS2 (300mhz) and the gc (485) is around the xbox speed. The xbox has a long life for hardware. While the ps2 and gc, do not. You understand now? Overall specs of the xbox can squash the two consoles, again, in specs, but not in performance. again, but not in performance.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
This is my IMHO neutral perspective on the xbox. I am not an xbox enthusiast, and I don't own an xbox. Just from looking, I honestly believe that the system will go further than a lot of people think, a bit further than the competition.

The gamecube is pretty much out of the question, I have a feeling that it will meet the same fate as the dreamcast (although the dreamcast wasn't realy that bad of a system, its publicity just stunk). So far as hardware spec, its a bit ahead of the PS2, and way behind the xbox, yet when it comes to games its much closer to the back burner than the rest.

Now, the PS2, even though its hardware is the worst of the pack of current generation systems, IT has the games, period. Xbox seems to float just between the other two right now, currently its strong point is its hardware, but I guarentee you that after about a year or so the games will start to catch up because of that. Hell, a few of the better playstation games are already being ported to xbox with a few improvements taking advantage of the better hardware, metal gear solid 2 is a good example of this.

One of the key things I notice about this system is that it seems to not only be just a game system but a potential hobbiest toy. As you should know, that can easily lead it to a long life, even after its officialy dead. Because of the way its built, there seem to be a lot of things you can do with it, just look at all of the different hacks that are already documented. I don't see anybody attempting to replace the CPU or dvd drives from the other systems, or any less obvious stuff, like playing with the jtag port.
 

Raging Fuel

The jumbles man, the jumbles
/slaps head

You are more stupid than I thought.

OVERALL SPECS! The xbox is about the equivilent in OVERALL SPECS. The CPUs are about the same speed. The POWER PC chip of the GC means that it runs at around the same speed becuase (as YOU said) the Hz rating does not mean ANYTHING (look at YOUR post. You know, the one about the AMD 1.4 being better than the Intel 1.4).

And of course we are talking about OVERALL SPECS. That does not mean just the CPU speed. There is more to the system than just that. If you look at the OVERALL SPECS you will find that the GC and the xbox are around the same.

/waits for Eddy to post again with another contradiction
 

Eddy

I Run This
my man, you are deaf, dumb, and stupid. Thats what the fuck im saying, read my posts over. The MegaHertz combined are approx the equvalient of the xbox IN FUCKING SPECS! BUT NOT IN PERFORMANCE! It cannot be that hard to understand that, 300+ posts, and you cant understand this?

if you add the OVERALL specs of the gc and the ps2, itll equal somewhere about the specs of the xbox, that doesnt mean performance is like that. The other OS's cant possibly compete windows. Mac Os is the closest thing to windows. Linux doesnt come close in ease of use, for a wide audience. Even with a skin like GNome.

You understand now? And by the way, what OS can replace windows in every way? Educate me please, i am open to opinions
 

Eddy

I Run This
keep your day job. im off to bed. ill check later when you have something worthwile to say
 

Raging Fuel

The jumbles man, the jumbles
First you are talking about overall specs they are equal, and now you say that if you add the Hz they are equal. Make up your mind.

I didn't say any that any OS can replace windows in every way. At the moment none can. This is because of the programs that 'need' windows to run (although Lindows is looking promising). Other OS's have the same/better functions than windows, its just that developers make most of the software for windows because its currently the most popular.
 
understand diiiis...
AMD CPU 1.4ghz (IPC rating thru the roof), ie. it does MORE PER CLOCK CYCLE than a p4.. thats an architectural difference that makes AMD CPU's beform better than p4 cpu's faster than itself... now imagine comapnies make something COMPLETLEY different to a pc with whole new architechtures, and youre measuring stick goes way off scale... read the docs not the specs
 

Macca

New member
Eddy, Fuel is right you did majorly contradict yourself, you said the box was better and will survive longer cause it had the Hz of the GC and PS2 combined.

"The xbox will survive and become standardized. The hardware it has is the gc + ps2 + a few more megahertz, Its a beast. "

Then you went on to say that Hz means nothing and you proved this with the AMD/INTEL argument. think before posting like a fool

"AMD 1.4GHZ INTEL 1.4GHZ
AMD runs better, and faster. Better performance, same specs. I rest my case"

So you are saying that the xbox will survive cause it has the best Hz, but then you say that Hz means nothing.....contradiction...i think so
 

Redah

Go Sweden! Not!
Administrator
XBOX is doing sooooooooooooo well... here are some facts:

XBOX was launched somewhere in March in Europe... it's now mid-april, and guess what: the price has dropped from € 479,99 to € 299. Ofcourse, they do that cuz it's selling soooo well ;)

Oh, and here some Japanese hardware sales:


PlayStation2 : 80.734 - 1.267.945
Gameboy Advance : 40.680 - 937.908
GameCube : 15.068 - 499.880
PSone : 3.959 - 82.702
DreamCast : 3.427 - 11.330
WonderSwan Color : 2.524 - 72.028
Xbox : 2.179 - 167.116
Gameboy Color : 1.956 - 36.681
Gameboy : 331 - 2.956
Nintendo64 : 225 - 3.105
WonderSwan : 182 - 2.771


First column is Hardware, second column are the sales from 1-7 april, the third colum are total sales in 2002. Oh yeah. Good ol' XBOX
 

Eddy

I Run This
damn do you guys even read? Im tired of posting the same shit over and over and over and over and fucking over.

The AMD example was a example to show how Hertz rating does not mean that the performance is the same. And flow about the AMD thing, i knew that, just that it didnt fit into the argument.

The Sony Playstation 2, clocked at 300 Mhz, GC clocked at 485, Xbox clocked at 733. The two hertz combined equals something around the xbox, the xbox will survive longer, because of its powerful hardware, the developers can push it more.

485+300 = 785, somewhere around the xbox specs (733) How did i prove your argument correct? You still have no valid conclusion. Like i said, and im going to repeat it again, maybe this time you will catch it. The PS2 (300mhz) and the gc (485) is around the xbox speed. The xbox has a long life for hardware. While the ps2 and gc, do not. You understand now? Overall specs of the xbox can squash the two consoles, again, in specs, but not in performance. again, but not in performance.

What is it that you and macca dont understand? Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined. That does not mean it performs like the two systems combined
 

Redah

Go Sweden! Not!
Administrator
They understand you perfectly. YOU are the one making NO sense whatsoever.

Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined.

No it cannot. Like with Intel and AMD. An AMD CPU running at about 1600MHz can SQUASH a Intel CPU at about 2000MHz in hardware life.

So, Intel has more MHz, but still it is outperformed by the AMD processor, has less MHz.

So, the XBOX can -easily- be outperformed by a PS2 or GC even tho they have less MHz.

MHz means diddly SQUAT these days.
 

blizz

New member
Redah said:
MHz means diddly SQUAT these days.

MHz is even less important now with PC's when you take into account your mobo and it's chipset let alone your Graphics Card and the amount of ram you have

/me now contemplates a gig of RAM for my next PC
 

Eddy

I Run This
wow i guess im getting stupid, because nobody seems to understand what im saying.

THE XBOX HAS MORE MEGAHERTZ BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERFORMANCE IS BETTER THAN THE TWO CONSOLES, A EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE AMD/INTEL SITUATION, and now im going back to watching tech tv.
 

Reznor007

New member
Eddy said:
damn do you guys even read? Im tired of posting the same shit over and over and over and over and fucking over.

The AMD example was a example to show how Hertz rating does not mean that the performance is the same. And flow about the AMD thing, i knew that, just that it didnt fit into the argument.

The Sony Playstation 2, clocked at 300 Mhz, GC clocked at 485, Xbox clocked at 733. The two hertz combined equals something around the xbox, the xbox will survive longer, because of its powerful hardware, the developers can push it more.



What is it that you and macca dont understand? Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined. That does not mean it performs like the two systems combined

Actually Xbox and Gamecube are about equal in terms of power. Both are a fair amount stronger than PS2.
 

pj64er

PJ64 Lubba
Eddy said:
wow i guess im getting stupid, because nobody seems to understand what im saying.

THE XBOX HAS MORE MEGAHERTZ BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERFORMANCE IS BETTER THAN THE TWO CONSOLES, A EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE AMD/INTEL SITUATION, and now im going back to watching tech tv.

so...are u with xbox or against?

the reason why ur confusing people is because u made these points:

-xbox is better than GC and PS2
-ur proof of this was that gc and ps2's clock cycles add up roughly to xbox's
-due to better specs xbox will have a longer hardware life

-xbox's performance is similar to GC's and PS2's
-ur proof is the comparison of these systems to AMDs vs P4s

Does specs really matter if performance is similar? if u give me a computer with a Intel 8008 cpu which has the same performance (ie play same games at same speed and quality) as a P4, id like it just as much. also, please dont tell me that the Jaguar had a long 'hardware life', it certainly had better specs than its competitors.
 

Eddy

I Run This
oh oh noo noo noo, i dont like the xbox, just that it has superior specs and longer life due to its hardware. Itll become standardized in a few years if everything goes the way microsoft is planning.
 

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