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[adi]

I can't believe peoples attitudes that after the first few weeks of sale, the xbox is now doomed for failure a la 3DO. I'm no m$ fan myself (apart from win xp which is rather good.. too bad I didn't have to pay for it :) ) but people are ignoring some key facts:

1. The XBox has the best launch line up ever. No one can dispute the quality of Halo, Project Gotham, JSR,.....need I go on? All the previous console failures have had crap line ups.

2. M$ is rich. face it. they're not gonna let the xbox roll over and die without a fight and a few price cuts (heck, if they bring it down to £200, maybe I might get one!)

3. The box and controller are bigger than other consoles and can squash them both metaphorically and literally.

There's my ranting over. I don't know why Im sticking up for Microsoft, but I think people here are getting to be a bit misguided in their judgements.

:cool:

How does that last picture signify 'cool' Martin?

[Redah]

I should smack you in the face for this.

What 'great' lineup was there?


Halo, Project Gotham, JSR,.....need I go on?

Oh, that great 3-game lineup!

Yea... and also, we have soooo much to look forward to. I mean... Zelda, Resident Evil... oh no wait, those are going to Gamecube. Okay, how about a new THPS, or MGS... oh damn, those are going to PS2.

Yep... it's looking bright at the XBOX horizon.

Too bad not on our horizon.

[Slougi]

Errr.... The Dreamcast had a great launch title lineup.

[adi]

Originally posted by Redah
I should smack you in the face for this.

What 'great' lineup was there?



Oh, that great 3-game lineup!

Yea... and also, we have soooo much to look forward to. I mean... Zelda, Resident Evil... oh no wait, those are going to Gamecube. Okay, how about a new THPS, or MGS... oh damn, those are going to PS2.

Yep... it's looking bright at the XBOX horizon.

Too bad not on our horizon.

actually, msg x is coming to the xbox , and so is a new THPS. I'm not really that big on the xbox myself, but I think people are writing microsoft off too quickly.

oh sorry slougi, I just couldn't remember the dreamcasts launch line up. But still, the XBOX's one has classic material while the dreamcasts was just good, but not amazing games.

[Redah]

Originally posted by theacj


actually, msg x is coming to the xbox , and so is a new THPS. I'm not really that big on the xbox myself, but I think people are writing microsoft off too quickly.

What I'm hinting at is that these games are also going to PS2, which means alot of users already with a PS2 are not going to look at XBOX for this. What exclusive goodness will await us?

Many XBOX fanboys tell that 'Microsoft has a big developer backing'... problem is, these developers are also backing other consoles which makes the XBOX just a box to play games from other systems on, but a bit polished. Oh, and at a higher price.

Yup. Good looking horizon :)

[Stalkid64]

XBox has.. Halo... yet anoher `highly original` fps game... with additional 30-sec load times and skipping-stuttering audio (my how I laughed). Think I`ll stick with Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Half Life, Deus Ex, Medal of Honor and Return to Castle Wolfenstein TYVM.
Jet Whateverthehell Radio... er, Dreamcast, anyone? Been there, done that.
Project Gotham Racing... firstly what a god-awful name that is. Secondly, its MSR, only with a terrible controller. Again, been there done that.
`Cube has... Luigi`s Mansion... an original fun-filled game, perhaps not the longest play time (though remember, Mario64 and Goldeneye on Agent difficulty lasted about as long) but still far more fun.
Super Monkey Ball... another original game (!) and one of the most challenging, addictive and lasting games for a loooooong time now.
Waverace Blue Storm... water... water everywhere.... mmm pretty water.... and racing... yes... racing... with a GOOD controller...
And not once have I mentioned Rogue Leader yet...

[sytaylor]

I just couldn't remember the dreamcasts launch line up. But still, the XBOX's one has classic material while the dreamcasts was just good, but not amazing games

are you on crack?! face it d00d the xbox lineup SUCKS, it plain sucks... project gotham is a mediacore dc game with its ass wiped, halo looks like a snooze without multiplayer... name another good game... go on, i dare yee! scuse me while i go play GTA3, then maybe some VF4

[flow``]

i still expect sega to bring out some great games for the xbox (namely toejam and earl 3)

[blizz]

suddenly I feel all mature :o

anyway, basically the X-Box's launch has been a failure everywhere except the US, which is unsurprising really, the X-Box is full of laclustre titles, HALO is a polished game but for the amount of time it's had spent on it, it really ought to be a good game, DOA3 (Which everyone was ranting about how good it will be before the launch) sucks it's the same game, same for Gotham Racing (which no one was ranting about because they knew it was going to be MSR but they never realised that MSR was a good game)

The GC launch wasn't spectacular but if you're realistic you'd know it wouldn't have been able to compete with the PS2 launch and it was certainly better than the Dreamcast launch, the launch games with the GC are very solid and contain some great originals like Super Monkey Ball and Luigi's Mansion, and some very good updates like Rogue and Blue Storm and SSBM (well it's a near launch title ;) )

in the future giving Sony's stupidity/ foolishness I'd like the X-Box to make serious inroads into their market unfortuanately it will be always playing second fiddle in the teen market (IMO M$ should have held off until nearer the PS3 launch with a more devloped piece of kit)

what I really care about the most though is the Gamecube becoming the platform for great games, not just OK games with a few highlights like with the PS2 (MGS2, GTA3, FFX, ICO to name a few) and the X-Box (well it only has GunValkyrie)

and imo FPS really are PC games, anyone who's played Operation Flashpoint will agree.

[sk8bloke22]

xbox has a good line up. its just geared for a typical american audience. halo is decent, dont give the crap about 30 second loading times, as some of the loading times on ps2 fps is absolutely terrible (red faction??), and when half-life first came out i doubt many ppl had pcs fast enuff to hav speedy loading times, i know i didnt, and i still managed. jsr future, is a quality title, it could hav been on the dreamcast and been brilliant, but its on the xbox and is pretty good. doa3 is still reasonable...its better than tekken tag was, and that was the best fighting game for ps2 when that was released. There are enuff decent games, THPS3 is still a decent conversion. it wont fail like the 3d0 or jaguar, becos it has software to back up the hardware specs. and i reckon the moment sega start releasing there xbox-only games, sales will pick up in japan...i could be wrong, but we'll see. also gta3 is coming on the xbox, so ppl will be able to play that.

another thing, the dreamcast had plenty of AMAZING games. it just was released with bad timing. i reckon if sega had released their console at the same time as the ps2, things would be different. but the fact is that dc was released at the time when sony was earning soooooo much profit from the ps1, and the ps2 was on the way, so there was no real competition. ppl were happy to wait and see wat the ps2 would hav to offer after sony's successs. the problem was the ps2 did not offer the photo realistic gfx many hoped for, in fact, the gfx on the dreamcast are pretty similar at times.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by blizz
The GC launch wasn't spectacular but if you're realistic you'd know it wouldn't have been able to compete with the PS2 launch

actually PS2 didnt have a great launch either. the system didnt get any good games for 1/2 year (not counting GT3).


Originally posted by blizz
and imo FPS really are PC games, anyone who's played Operation Flashpoint will agree.

remember blizz, Goldeneye has held the title 'Best FPS' for a very long time. if done correctly, FPS games could work for consoles.

[sk8bloke22]

Originally posted by pj64er


actually PS2 didnt have a great launch either. the system didnt get any good games for 1/2 year (not counting GT3).



remember blizz, Goldeneye has held the title 'Best FPS' for a very long time. if done correctly, FPS games could work for consoles.

thats actually wrong. the ps2 was sold out completely the moment it was released. then they ahd shortages, which boosted sales even more wheneva the console did ever reach retail stores. the games were cack, but ppl bought the ps2 regardless of this. and halo is a good fps, i certainly havent seen many bad reviews of it for starters. it brings a smile to my face when i hear m$ are doing terrible overseas, but in my opinion, the console/product itself isnt that bad...

[Jaz]

Originally posted by pj64er
remember blizz, Goldeneye has held the title 'Best FPS' for a very long time. if done correctly, FPS games could work for consoles.

IMO, it was only `the best` FPS because of it's 4-player deathmatch, which was brilliant.

Also IMO, there are far better single-player FPS`ers on PC.. :)

[blizz]

oh yes 4-player deathmatch was brilliant

[64ultramaniac]

Microsoft had another big dream:to conquer and rule and the consoles's scene.That dream simply isn't coming true.Poor Microsoft:( :P

[Jaz]

To rule the console scene, you need to rule in Japan.. And that will NEVER happen for M$.. :P

[64ultramaniac]

Originally posted by Jaz


IMO, it was only `the best` FPS because of it's 4-player deathmatch
You are completely wrong dude.Goldeneye had a magnificent one
player game and still is so fu**ing good.It was the best cos it was a game that rocked in every area and that is acceptable even from
Nintendo's enemies.

[flow``]

yes.. goldeneye was the most original game i've ever seen on a console recently. nowadays its the same game, ported from console to console and updated (thps series and other of that sort). i think games like pikmin and such are what companies will need to survivie w/ any new console.. and i agree w/ blizz saying fps games should about be pc only (b/c of mouse/keyboard) and no gamer would ever go to a controller w/o netplay which ends up with a limited fps game.

i have yet to seriously look at any console, but the console in its own right me little to me, no matter who manufactures it - what interest (and should interest) any gamer should be the system library and what they find that fits their taste in different genres of games

[flow``]

thats one reason why i hate ppl trying to review and critique games, i find its better to find out what a game is like through actual experience (via renting) then listening to what some other dude tries to tell you

[pj64er]

Originally posted by sk8bloke22


thats actually wrong. the ps2 was sold out completely the moment it was released. then they ahd shortages, which boosted sales even more wheneva the console did ever reach retail stores. the games were cack, but ppl bought the ps2 regardless of this. and halo is a good fps, i certainly havent seen many bad reviews of it for starters. it brings a smile to my face when i hear m$ are doing terrible overseas, but in my opinion, the console/product itself isnt that bad...

sk8bloke, i was talking about the games of ps2 at launch. its quite obvious that ps2 sold well at launch. but at that time it was selling on pure 100% hype. good games came long after. So my point was that the launch that sony gave it was not good(faulty dvd driver, mediocre games, like u mentioned, shortages), it sold well only because ppl liked ps1 (just like SNES to n64).

[Eddy]

your all little kids, waiting for microsoft's fall, where in the fuck are you gonna be ? using a mac? be more reasonable and grow up people, dont hate microsoft. Xbox isnt making the cut, but it had alot of good titles, how can you say doa3 is garbage!? halo?! halo is something else, its on another level of console-based fps. The xbox will survive and become standardized. The hardware it has is the gc + ps2 + a few more megahertz, Its a beast. This is microsoft's first console. Did you expect windows 1.0 to equal xp?

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Eddy
your all little kids, waiting for microsoft's fall, where in the fuck are you gonna be ? using a mac? be more reasonable and grow up people, dont hate microsoft. Xbox isnt making the cut, but it had alot of good titles, how can you say doa3 is garbage!? halo?! halo is something else, its on another level of console-based fps. The xbox will survive and become standardized. The hardware it has is the gc + ps2 + a few more megahertz, Its a beast. This is microsoft's first console. Did you expect windows 1.0 to equal xp?

xbox = ps2 + gc + more? Umm...how can I put this? No. You are just looking at the Mhz and assuming thats all that matters. CPUs are more than just mhz. The CPUs of the GC and the xbox are just about equal.

And I really doubt that MS are going to recover in Japan because of Sega's support. Do you really think Sega are going want to be the only reason for MS 'success' in Japan? They are most probably going to bail on the xbox.

I don't think that the xbox will be gone anytime soon. MS just has so much money that they can afford to lose lots on it for years before they start making money. But can developers do the same? Sure there are the ones that MS have bought out, but they can't buy out everyone, and it's just going to get too expensive for them to keep paying for games and hardware that aren't making any money.

Eddy, you should stop being so dependant on monopolies. Mac's are quality computers and there are more OS's than just windows for the PC (Linux, FreeBSD, etc).

[B*A*G*G]

good point....
i bought the xbox baised on hope that in the next 3 years it'll probably launch some pretty kick ass games.
kinda felt the same way when i bought the ps2 & the gamecube.
i really dont own much games for the newer systems cause they just launched. but i know in time there will be way to many games for me to handle (kinda like with the PSone).
and i can only afford so many damn games for each system.

next year is going to rock tho for gamming. i get to go to e3 and play Zelda:cool: go nintendo:thumbsup: :sleeping:

[Raging Fuel]

Bagg, how are you getting into E3? You a journalist or do you know someone?

[Brokic]

Technically x box is very good, is near twice as good as the ps2. But I dont think its going to work. The sales are being soooo bad, they are selling more ps one than x box on japan!!In the states is doing ok, but still very far from the ps2. The game developers look for selling games and they will develop games for the console which is best sold, in the US there are about 1.5 million X box and 8.2 million ps2, when developing a game will you choose selling 1 million when you could sell 4? The game lineup of the xbox didnt really impress me much, the one of the dreamcast was really good. I think that dreamcast had some good games, and I dont really understand why it failed. We will see how the gamecube works.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by flow``
yes.. goldeneye was the most original game i've ever seen on a console recently

Goldeneye, original?! *LOL* *ROTFLMAO* :happy:

*faints*

:stupid:

[sk8bloke22]

yeh it wasnt exactly original, but it was (for the time) the best console fps. its a bit dry multiplayer now, possibly becos ive played it to death, single player is still pretty good.

[adi]

Goldeneyes single player was good but it is nothing compared to a decent first person game on the game like mohaa or half life which were amazing. I'd still play the original half life over any console conversions.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by theacj
but it is nothing compared to a decent first person game on the game like mohaa or half life which were amazing.

Exactly my point.. :D

[sytaylor]

agreed goldeneye did what it was intended to do... it was fun and a challenge, but it didnt immerse you like PC FPS do

[Jaz]

THANK-YOU! :D

[Tri-Force]

a note to the misguided.
i used to sell the crap box at Toys R US and do you know what happened to our in store demo setup. . . . IT FROZE. . . A LOT!!!! as long as i could help it i wasn't gonna let some poor little kid get a large piece of coal for Christmass so i told everyone looking to go with the GC or PS2.

[Harteex]

So... If you get a bad working Xbox you can just get a new... So what's your point?

[B*A*G*G]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Bagg, how are you getting into E3? You a journalist or do you know someone?
me & my brother go every year to promote our shit. my bro is a art director and we own our own studio and comic book store.
i just keep my home page and identity classified cause talking in one of these emu boards is bad for ones reputation.

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by Brokic
Technically x box is very good, is near twice as good as the ps2.


:stupid: :D
Riiiiight....how do you know? It gotta be VERY strong to be twice as powerful as the PS2, since the PS2 is in fact powerful yet it is some years old now. Oh, and the power of Xbox is fairly hyped up...I think it....suck :\ (because i had much higher expectations)
I mean, a pc about as stong a the xbox can do the same thing...

And, it really doesn't matter....no one buys a console for the power of the machine itself (well, some do, but they shouldn't be allowed to have so much money to spend :D) Most normal people, buy a console because they know that the company that makes it either has great games for it (of course, you've got to consider 3rd party too:cool:) or are going to release some good games....
And I really think Nintendo deserve to get on top of this competition (I guess you point at me and say "Nintendo Fanboy" now, eh?:happy:) They really make NEW and INNOVATIVE games imo.....

[Eddy]

if you add the OVERALL specs of the gc and the ps2, itll equal somewhere about the specs of the xbox, that doesnt mean performance is like that. The other OS's cant possibly compete windows. Mac Os is the closest thing to windows. Linux doesnt come close in ease of use, for a wide audience. Even with a skin like GNome.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Eddy
if you add the OVERALL specs of the gc and the ps2, itll equal somewhere about the specs of the xbox, that doesnt mean performance is like that.

Didn't you just contradict yourself there? If the OVERALL specs of gc and ps2 are about equal to the xbox, then why isnt the performance like that? Oh, thats right, because you're wrong. And I'm not going to even bother arguing about the OS's anymore, because you've obviously been brainwashed my MS marketing.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by B*A*G*G

me & my brother go every year to promote our shit. my bro is a art director and we own our own studio and comic book store.
i just keep my home page and identity classified cause talking in one of these emu boards is bad for ones reputation.

You're ashamed to be seen with me.

/crys

:P

Seriously, I hope you do well there, and nick heaps of stuff to send back to us :)

[Eddy]

obviously, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

AMD 1.4GHZ

INTEL 1.4GHZ

AMD runs better, and faster. Better performance, same specs. I rest my case.

[Raging Fuel]

You are just proving yourself wrong again.

The GC uses an IBM PowerPC chipset at 485 MHz.

I couldn't find out what the actually chipset for the xbox was, but its at 733MHz.

As you said, an AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz is better than an Intel P4 1.4 GHz. The GC here look like it would run a lot slower looking at the specs, but as you said you can't just go by the Hz rating. So the GC and the xbox CPUs run at around the same speed.

Thanks for proving my argument for me.

[Eddy]

485+300 = 785, somewhere around the xbox specs (733) How did i prove your argument correct? You still have no valid conclusion. Like i said, and im going to repeat it again, maybe this time you will catch it. The PS2 (300mhz) and the gc (485) is around the xbox speed. The xbox has a long life for hardware. While the ps2 and gc, do not. You understand now? Overall specs of the xbox can squash the two consoles, again, in specs, but not in performance. again, but not in performance.

[AlphaWolf]

This is my IMHO neutral perspective on the xbox. I am not an xbox enthusiast, and I don't own an xbox. Just from looking, I honestly believe that the system will go further than a lot of people think, a bit further than the competition.

The gamecube is pretty much out of the question, I have a feeling that it will meet the same fate as the dreamcast (although the dreamcast wasn't realy that bad of a system, its publicity just stunk). So far as hardware spec, its a bit ahead of the PS2, and way behind the xbox, yet when it comes to games its much closer to the back burner than the rest.

Now, the PS2, even though its hardware is the worst of the pack of current generation systems, IT has the games, period. Xbox seems to float just between the other two right now, currently its strong point is its hardware, but I guarentee you that after about a year or so the games will start to catch up because of that. Hell, a few of the better playstation games are already being ported to xbox with a few improvements taking advantage of the better hardware, metal gear solid 2 is a good example of this.

One of the key things I notice about this system is that it seems to not only be just a game system but a potential hobbiest toy. As you should know, that can easily lead it to a long life, even after its officialy dead. Because of the way its built, there seem to be a lot of things you can do with it, just look at all of the different hacks that are already documented. I don't see anybody attempting to replace the CPU or dvd drives from the other systems, or any less obvious stuff, like playing with the jtag port.

[Raging Fuel]

/slaps head

You are more stupid than I thought.

OVERALL SPECS! The xbox is about the equivilent in OVERALL SPECS. The CPUs are about the same speed. The POWER PC chip of the GC means that it runs at around the same speed becuase (as YOU said) the Hz rating does not mean ANYTHING (look at YOUR post. You know, the one about the AMD 1.4 being better than the Intel 1.4).

And of course we are talking about OVERALL SPECS. That does not mean just the CPU speed. There is more to the system than just that. If you look at the OVERALL SPECS you will find that the GC and the xbox are around the same.

/waits for Eddy to post again with another contradiction

[Eddy]

my man, you are deaf, dumb, and stupid. Thats what the fuck im saying, read my posts over. The MegaHertz combined are approx the equvalient of the xbox IN FUCKING SPECS! BUT NOT IN PERFORMANCE! It cannot be that hard to understand that, 300+ posts, and you cant understand this?


if you add the OVERALL specs of the gc and the ps2, itll equal somewhere about the specs of the xbox, that doesnt mean performance is like that. The other OS's cant possibly compete windows. Mac Os is the closest thing to windows. Linux doesnt come close in ease of use, for a wide audience. Even with a skin like GNome.

You understand now? And by the way, what OS can replace windows in every way? Educate me please, i am open to opinions

[Eddy]

keep your day job. im off to bed. ill check later when you have something worthwile to say

[Raging Fuel]

First you are talking about overall specs they are equal, and now you say that if you add the Hz they are equal. Make up your mind.

I didn't say any that any OS can replace windows in every way. At the moment none can. This is because of the programs that 'need' windows to run (although Lindows (www.lindows.com) is looking promising). Other OS's have the same/better functions than windows, its just that developers make most of the software for windows because its currently the most popular.

[sytaylor]

understand diiiis...
AMD CPU 1.4ghz (IPC rating thru the roof), ie. it does MORE PER CLOCK CYCLE than a p4.. thats an architectural difference that makes AMD CPU's beform better than p4 cpu's faster than itself... now imagine comapnies make something COMPLETLEY different to a pc with whole new architechtures, and youre measuring stick goes way off scale... read the docs not the specs

[Macca]

Eddy, Fuel is right you did majorly contradict yourself, you said the box was better and will survive longer cause it had the Hz of the GC and PS2 combined.

"The xbox will survive and become standardized. The hardware it has is the gc + ps2 + a few more megahertz, Its a beast. "

Then you went on to say that Hz means nothing and you proved this with the AMD/INTEL argument. think before posting like a fool

"AMD 1.4GHZ INTEL 1.4GHZ
AMD runs better, and faster. Better performance, same specs. I rest my case"

So you are saying that the xbox will survive cause it has the best Hz, but then you say that Hz means nothing.....contradiction...i think so

[Harteex]

Why fight about the specs? It's the games that makes the console.

[Redah]

XBOX is doing sooooooooooooo well... here are some facts:

XBOX was launched somewhere in March in Europe... it's now mid-april, and guess what: the price has dropped from € 479,99 to € 299. Ofcourse, they do that cuz it's selling soooo well ;)

Oh, and here some Japanese hardware sales:


PlayStation2 : 80.734 - 1.267.945
Gameboy Advance : 40.680 - 937.908
GameCube : 15.068 - 499.880
PSone : 3.959 - 82.702
DreamCast : 3.427 - 11.330
WonderSwan Color : 2.524 - 72.028
Xbox : 2.179 - 167.116
Gameboy Color : 1.956 - 36.681
Gameboy : 331 - 2.956
Nintendo64 : 225 - 3.105
WonderSwan : 182 - 2.771


First column is Hardware, second column are the sales from 1-7 april, the third colum are total sales in 2002. Oh yeah. Good ol' XBOX

[Macca]

More Wonderswan colours than boxes, thats a riot :D

[Eddy]

damn do you guys even read? Im tired of posting the same shit over and over and over and over and fucking over.

The AMD example was a example to show how Hertz rating does not mean that the performance is the same. And flow about the AMD thing, i knew that, just that it didnt fit into the argument.

The Sony Playstation 2, clocked at 300 Mhz, GC clocked at 485, Xbox clocked at 733. The two hertz combined equals something around the xbox, the xbox will survive longer, because of its powerful hardware, the developers can push it more.


485+300 = 785, somewhere around the xbox specs (733) How did i prove your argument correct? You still have no valid conclusion. Like i said, and im going to repeat it again, maybe this time you will catch it. The PS2 (300mhz) and the gc (485) is around the xbox speed. The xbox has a long life for hardware. While the ps2 and gc, do not. You understand now? Overall specs of the xbox can squash the two consoles, again, in specs, but not in performance. again, but not in performance.

What is it that you and macca dont understand? Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined. That does not mean it performs like the two systems combined

[B*A*G*G]

the xbox launch was kinda sucky over here for some reason.

[Redah]

They understand you perfectly. YOU are the one making NO sense whatsoever.


Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined.

No it cannot. Like with Intel and AMD. An AMD CPU running at about 1600MHz can SQUASH a Intel CPU at about 2000MHz in hardware life.

So, Intel has more MHz, but still it is outperformed by the AMD processor, has less MHz.

So, the XBOX can -easily- be outperformed by a PS2 or GC even tho they have less MHz.

MHz means diddly SQUAT these days.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by B*A*G*G
the xbox launch was kinda sucky over here for some reason.

Well.. cause.. it.. SUCKS?! :P

[blizz]

Originally posted by Redah
MHz means diddly SQUAT these days.

MHz is even less important now with PC's when you take into account your mobo and it's chipset let alone your Graphics Card and the amount of ram you have

/me now contemplates a gig of RAM for my next PC

[Eddy]

wow i guess im getting stupid, because nobody seems to understand what im saying.

THE XBOX HAS MORE MEGAHERTZ BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERFORMANCE IS BETTER THAN THE TWO CONSOLES, A EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE AMD/INTEL SITUATION, and now im going back to watching tech tv.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by Eddy
damn do you guys even read? Im tired of posting the same shit over and over and over and over and fucking over.

The AMD example was a example to show how Hertz rating does not mean that the performance is the same. And flow about the AMD thing, i knew that, just that it didnt fit into the argument.

The Sony Playstation 2, clocked at 300 Mhz, GC clocked at 485, Xbox clocked at 733. The two hertz combined equals something around the xbox, the xbox will survive longer, because of its powerful hardware, the developers can push it more.



What is it that you and macca dont understand? Just admit the xbox is the most poweful console, and can squash the gc and ps2 in hardware life, its specs is around the gc and ps2 combined. That does not mean it performs like the two systems combined

Actually Xbox and Gamecube are about equal in terms of power. Both are a fair amount stronger than PS2.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Eddy
wow i guess im getting stupid, because nobody seems to understand what im saying.

THE XBOX HAS MORE MEGAHERTZ BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERFORMANCE IS BETTER THAN THE TWO CONSOLES, A EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE AMD/INTEL SITUATION, and now im going back to watching tech tv.

so...are u with xbox or against?

the reason why ur confusing people is because u made these points:

-xbox is better than GC and PS2
-ur proof of this was that gc and ps2's clock cycles add up roughly to xbox's
-due to better specs xbox will have a longer hardware life

-xbox's performance is similar to GC's and PS2's
-ur proof is the comparison of these systems to AMDs vs P4s

Does specs really matter if performance is similar? if u give me a computer with a Intel 8008 cpu which has the same performance (ie play same games at same speed and quality) as a P4, id like it just as much. also, please dont tell me that the Jaguar had a long 'hardware life', it certainly had better specs than its competitors.

[Eddy]

oh oh noo noo noo, i dont like the xbox, just that it has superior specs and longer life due to its hardware. Itll become standardized in a few years if everything goes the way microsoft is planning.

[sk8bloke22]

microsofts specs are better alround, no doubt. i think the geforce3 kinda kicks the gekko's arse (not totally, though). but each of the consoles do work differently and run on different processors. so u cant really say that becos this console has more mhz, it must hav better specs. it doesnt work like that.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Eddy
oh oh noo noo noo, i dont like the xbox, just that it has superior specs and longer life due to its hardware. Itll become standardized in a few years if everything goes the way microsoft is planning.

hell, if everything is going the way nintendo plans GC will become standardized. if everything is going the way Sony plans PS2 will become standardized. hardware has nothing to do with it.

[Redah]

Nintendo has a trick up their sleeve tho...


ME :D

[Eddy]

more powerful hardware = quite possibly a longer life for that console.

[Macca]

damn this is stupid make up your mind eddy

you are posting two things

1) hardware means nothing
2) harware means a longer life

pick one now and post it, just the number 1 or 2

[Eddy]

macca slow that down, dont get ahead of yourself.

If a console has powerful hardware, it will have longer life.

And i never said hardware means nothing, of course it does.

Btw what the hell is this to you? if this is so stupid, dont reply and dont waste your time.

[Quip]

Quote From sk8bloke22

microsofts specs are better alround, no doubt. i think the geforce3 kinda kicks the gekko's arse (not totally, though). but each of the consoles do work differently and run on different processors. so u cant really say that becos this console has more mhz, it must hav better specs. it doesnt work like that.

The "gekko" is the main processor which is the powerpc processor made by IBM for the game cube, not the graphics processor. The graphics processor for the Game Cube is called the Flipper.

[Eddy]

by ati

[Eddy]

and sk8, i didnt say that, im saying that the hertz added of the ps2 and gc are to the xbox, but not performance.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Eddy
im saying that the hertz added of the ps2 and gc are to the xbox, but not performance.

OK, this makes sense. The Hz ratings of the two systems add up to approx the xbox Hz. But as you said this does not mean the performance it better.


Originally posted by Eddy
oh oh noo noo noo, i dont like the xbox, just that it has superior specs and longer life due to its hardware.

Now you say that the hardware is better? If the hardware is better then how come it doesn't perform better than a GC?

Since you are confusing everyone on this board, just answer this question with a yes or a no. Do you think that the reason the xbox is not performing better than the PS2 and GC is because the developers haven't learned to push the hardware yet? Because that's what I think you're trying to get at.

[Eddy]

no, the lack of support from developers and gamers is what the xbox needs, in a few years, itll become a standard home console, if everything works out that is.

[Raging Fuel]

So you think that the xbox has more powerful hardware?

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Eddy
no, the lack of support from developers and gamers is what the xbox needs, in a few years, itll become a standard home console, if everything works out that is.

this was the problem the Atari Jaguar had. lack of support, strong hardware. Whats this ur talking about hardware life?

[Slougi]

Of the next-gen consoles the X-Box is the most powerful, by a slight margin. It's lacking good games tho. Only good games are by Sega imo.

[Macca]

Originally posted by Eddy
if this is so stupid, dont reply and dont waste your time.

I will take that advice and not reply



....dammit

[blizz]

Originally posted by Slougi
Of the next-gen consoles the X-Box is the most powerful, by a slight margin. It's lacking good games tho. Only good games are by Sega imo.

indeed but I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sega games can no longer sell consoles by themselves

[sk8bloke22]

u cant really say that though as Sega have only just got into the multi-format software market. u never know, sega might hav a great impact on the xbox sales (particularly in japan)...i may hav mis understood u though :/

[blizz]

Originally posted by sk8bloke22
u cant really say that though as Sega have only just got into the multi-format software market. u never know, sega might hav a great impact on the xbox sales (particularly in japan)...i may hav mis understood u though :/

Sega games couldn't help shift the Dreamcast or the Saturn, and they're not shifting the X-Box in the US. Halo is doing that.

[adi]

absolutely right blizz, right now sega games are appealing to a pretty niche market outside japan. They make quality games but to be honest, what was the last truly big seller sega had outside japan?

[Eddy]

phantasy star? sonic adventure 2 battle? and sega super slam soccer. Also yes the xbox has the most powerful hardware of all the released next gen consoles

[Jaz]

Originally posted by theacj
what was the last truly big seller sega had outside japan?

Uhh, ever heard of a blue spikey hedgehog?

[Eddy]

LOL

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Eddy
Also yes the xbox has the most powerful hardware of all the released next gen consoles

That's what I thought you were trying to get at. I'd just like to point out that it's not neccessarily true. The 'power' of the xbox and the gc are almost the same. The xbox is better in some says and the gc is better in other ways.

And as for saying that all the xbox needs is developer and consumer support to be standard, all I can say is 'umm..duh'. That's what any console needs. If the Atari still had complete developer and consumer support it would be the standard, but its not. Please stop acting like the xbox is a godsend for the consoles market. You can't expect developers and consumers to support a console just because it has 733 MHz, and you say that it has more powerful hardware. It doesn't have more powerful hardware, get over it.

[EdgeBlade]

I think it would be cool if M$ took over eveything, even though I'd try to not support it, nor would I evey be one of their fanboys. There's just something about them taking over it all that sounds cool to me. You know, kinda like in lots of futuristic movies. And in Resident Evil (Umbrela Corp :))

I personaly don't like the X-box that much, it just looks too big, it reminds be of a giant clunky robot... the way it'd look if I tried to build it. I would think with the price they have attached to it that the parts would be specially made to be compact lightweight and quite. I don't know if the X-box is quite, but I do know it's not small or light.

I currently have a GameCube, but I'm not in a situation where I can play anything multi-player, so for now it's kinda boring. But games do make the system and thay ARE great games around the corner. Nintendo is well known for their games, so I went for them. But PS2 is such a great system, Playstation always has been. They always have great games _eventually_, they seem to be in their prime currently, and with backwards compatiability I can eaisly understand why it's doing so well.

But Xbox is amercian, and computer based, getting forin support will be really difficult, I'm not even aware if M$ is tring to get forin support, specfically Japan, if they can, they may just have it made ... eventually.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by EdgeBlade
I think it would be cool if M$ took over eveything, even though I'd try to not support it, nor would I evey be one of their fanboys. There's just something about them taking over it all that sounds cool to me. You know, kinda like in lots of futuristic movies. And in Resident Evil (Umbrela Corp :))


I can't understand why you would want MS to take over everything. Competition is needed for people to keep making the best proucts they can. Without competition there is no need for anything to get better.

[Eddy]

incentive.

[EdgeBlade]

Well the thing is I don't really want them to, I just think it would be cool. It goes alone with the whole corrupt future type enviroment/genra.

I know, it's weird. I enjoy it when M$ get compition, it keeps them in check. :D

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Without competition there is no need for anything to get better.

Plus you could forget price dops..