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[NeTo]

Do really videogames can make someone violent?

I ask cos' of the article located here (http://www.discover.com/apr_03/featworks.html)

Look there at the small table with video game examples. Never knew Q'bert and Mario were violent games :doh:

Well if that's the case, then i'm going off to play Mario 64 to see if after that I can manage to kill my neighbors. See ya!

[ra5555]

I am sure it makes you more violent from personal experience. :P

[Tri-Force]

well it depends. if breaking your controler because you cant find that last FRICKIN star or get that frickin Skulltulla that you can HEAR but just cant see then yeah, they make you violent.

[AlphaWolf]

What happened to the "they make me want to plan another colombine" answer?

[NeTo]

Originally posted by NeTo

Well if that's the case, then i'm going off to play Mario 64 to see if after that I can manage to kill my neighbors. See ya!

I went to my neighbor's house, but I couldn't even ring the doorbell :cry: :cry:

I will try with Max Payne next time :happy:

Originally posted by Tri-Force
well it depends. if breaking your controler because you cant find that last FRICKIN star or get that frickin Skulltulla that you can HEAR but just cant see then yeah, they make you violent.

I agree with that part. Maybe I voted to soon :doh: Well, anyway it seems games like pikmin can't make you violent no matter what (well, except if you actually buyed the game, like me)

[Plisco]

There is always a report or article or -insert other option here- which involves videogames and there prolonged used, being released days after each other. It is hard to draw an oppinion on so many of them being released which completly contradicts a previous report. So I just do not care about specific reports, but in general there does seem to be a common voice that video games increase your reaction speeds. So I went for the 4th option :)

[Davemc]

I've played GTA3 over and over to death and less-so GTA Vice which sucks a bit. I have never stolen a car in my likfe, never dealed drugs, never been in possession of a gun and certainly never got mixed up with the mafia.
Spent hours, days, months, years on Goldeneye and I haven't shot anyone. I don't feel any sort of urge to shoot anyone either. They should blame films first, they're more realistic.

[vampireuk]

Anyone who thinks video games cause violence should be shot in the head:doh:

[Talas]

Well I actually think that if you have problems in your social life, no friends, no girl friend, or problems at school, and if you are a violent person anyway, THEN playing games like Postman2 can make you more violent. Of course, on the other side its also possible that you lose your aggression by playing those games. I voted for the second option. I think its possible.

Donkey Kong (1999) .78
Q'bert (1999) 1.31
The Smurfs (1999) .59
Super Mario Brothers (1985) 4.8
Super Mario 64 (1996) .23

Huh? Are those guys nuts? They did take PERFECT games to show us how violent video games are. Oh nuts....
:baaa:

[ScottJC]

I remember myself with mario 64, couldn't put it down until i got all 120 stars... got angry at the n64 several times....

[2fast4u]

imo if you had a hundred options on this poll you still wouldnt be able to cover that topic. fuck, i still voted for the shoot in the head thingy. everytime our law enforcement goes into the room of some son of a bitch who ran through a school with a gun they notice he played counter strike and doom and dont notice the fucking swastikas on his walls. thats just my personal feeling. :doh:

[NeTo]

Originally posted by Talas
Huh? Are those guys nuts? They did take PERFECT games to show us how violent video games are. Oh nuts....
:baaa:

And hardly stomping on a goomba can be compared to kill someone (well, if you know noone that looks like a goomba.....)

[AlphaWolf]

Hmm...germany displays a lot of irony in this respect.

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Hmm...germany displays a lot of irony in this respect.

huh? what on earth does that have to do with anything? *looks through the thread* huh?

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Hmm...germany displays a lot of irony in this respect.

would ya mind explaining that statement? :plain:

[Clements]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Hmm...germany displays a lot of irony in this respect.

Carmageddon springs to mind. Germany I believe is the strictest in the World with what can be shown in games. (Or at least at one point)

I know video games don't cause violence, as I'm completely against violence myself, and have been playing games ever since I can remember.

[Davemc]

Germany banned Goldeneye and had to put Dinosaurs in Carmageddon. :cry:

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
would ya mind explaining that statement? :plain:

Well, irony isn't quite the word I was actualy looking for, but they named a few examples.

Damn democrats are trying to do the same shit here.

[Tagrineth]

I've never been in any physical fights whatsoever. I'm a totally non-violent person.

I don't even know if I could kill someone, if I had to do it.

And yet... I've been playing video games since we got an IntelliVision. I was about... oh... 3? Maybe 4?

[vampireuk]

Pacifism is a nice idea, but it can get you killed. We're not quite yet there folks, evolution is slow smallpox is fast:D

[blizz]

/me snarls

ah pet hates about mods not thinking :doh:

[vampireuk]

What are you belly aching about:P

[alexa999]

/me says that video games are harmless.:D

[AlphaWolf]

It would seem that, as usual, the democrats are failing:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/06/03/2031206.shtml?tid=123&tid=153&tid=99

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Pacifism is a nice idea, but it can get you killed. We're not quite yet there folks, evolution is slow smallpox is fast:D

I'm not pacifist. If I have to, I'll get violent. But I always try to find a rational solution first.

Non-violent != pacifist.


Aside: Forgot to say in my first post: I actually find violent games somewhat therapeutic. Blowing people up in a video game is a great way to relieve anger and frustration, that doesn't hurt anyone. :flowers:

[AlphaWolf]

pacifist == hippie

[NeoNight]

When you think about it, if a person is constantly viewing violent images over and over for long periods of time. At some point it is possible for them to (after a really long period of time I would think) develop psychotic tendencies. I think you would notice this more with counter strike player’s lol. Seriously though Its kind of like what you see in certain moives/t.v shows where they would tie someone up to a chair and have them watch disturbing images over and over.

[vampireuk]

To be affected like that would require you to be feked in the head anyway.

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by NeoNight
When you think about it, if a person is constantly viewing violent images over and over for long periods of time. At some point it is possible for them to (after a really long period of time I would think) develop psychotic tendencies. I think you would notice this more with counter strike player’s lol. Seriously though Its kind of like what you see in certain moives/t.v shows where they would tie someone up to a chair and have them watch disturbing images over and over.

While we're at it, let's compare video games to Chinese water torture. :flowers:

The difference with what you're saying, is the tying up to a chair means they see NOTHING ELSE and what they see is usually indescribably disturbing (like, say, little children being cut up or something like that. *shudder*).

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Well, irony isn't quite the word I was actualy looking for, but they named a few examples.


well irony pribably isnt the right word ... anyway ... its a bunch of shit around here to sum it up really well. only fucking country in the world to censor and even prohibit sale of games that "might" contain youth affecting violence. blame conservative minds and the churches. :doh:

as of 1st of april there is new laws requiring each game or cd to be rated by a government agency. if they are not they are automatically rated "18+" .. which resultet in my recently having to show my id for buying a damn guano apes cd (btw, their 3rd album sucks). this is the biggest pile of shit ive seen in my life.

to go with some lyrics ..

"... there must be a thousand good reasons to be proud of this coutry but i just cant think of any ..."

[Clements]

Originally posted by NeoNight
When you think about it, if a person is constantly viewing violent images over and over for long periods of time. At some point it is possible for them to (after a really long period of time I would think) develop psychotic tendencies. I think you would notice this more with counter strike player’s lol. Seriously though Its kind of like what you see in certain moives/t.v shows where they would tie someone up to a chair and have them watch disturbing images over and over.

You're thinking of Blanka from the Street Fighter movie. :happy:

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
blame conservative minds


I dunno, from what I have seen in press releases, its always liberal representatives that want to try to regulate video games, although that is a conservative concept. It's pretty much the same as firearms, the liberals are always trying to ban firearms in any way that they can, which is also a conservative concept.

Theres more irony for you, liberalism means you favor freedom over order, whereas conservativism (if thats a word) means you favor order over freedom. These two seem to have exchanged meanings over time.

[nephalim]

Well guys, while i'm obviously on your side, music can certaintly cause violence.

Go listen to...ohh let's say...Vulgar Display of Power (Pantera), and tell me you don't want to run over some poor shmuck. In fact, I think I can personally say i've had moments of music induced violence. Luckily no one found the bodies. :saint:

[NeoNight]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
While we're at it, let's compare video games to Chinese water torture. :flowers:

The difference with what you're saying, is the tying up to a chair means they see NOTHING ELSE and what they see is usually indescribably disturbing (like, say, little children being cut up or something like that. *shudder*).

this is gonna sound crazy (no pun intended) but I think its not just the violent images themsevles, but actually the constent FLASHING of those images.

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
I dunno, from what I have seen in press releases, its always liberal representatives that want to try to regulate video games, although that is a conservative concept. It's pretty much the same as firearms, the liberals are always trying to ban firearms in any way that they can, which is also a conservative concept.

Theres more irony for you, liberalism means you favor freedom over order, whereas conservativism (if thats a word) means you favor order over freedom. These two seem to have exchanged meanings over time.

inform yourself about the situation i was talking about (germany) ... its the conservatives around here who dug up that mindless idea. take the christian democratic party for example.

as for the "conservativism" thingie i suggest you take a closer look at the "shut the hell up and buy a flag"-act that the bush administration introduced.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u

as for the "conservativism" thingie i suggest you take a closer look at the "shut the hell up and buy a flag"-act that the bush administration introduced.

Which would be ... ?

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Which would be ... ?

*drumroll* the patriot act (spits) :doh:

[Orkin]

I don't think violent video games make you violent, they just give you more practice and creativity in your violence.

[NeoNight]

Originally posted by Clements
You're thinking of Blanka from the Street Fighter movie. :happy:

noo but that is a funny example lol :P

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Orkin
I don't think violent video games make you violent, they just give you more practice and creativity in your violence.

Winnah be you!


wish i can phrase it so good:)

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
*drumroll* the patriot act (spits) :doh:

Well, I know of worse things, but anyways, how is that the "shut the hell up and buy a flag"-act?

EDIT: Interesting bit on slashdot:

"Republican Sen. Sam Brownback is pushing a bill that will limit the ability of record labels, movie studios and others to use anticopying technology on their products. Most notably, this is important because it states that people will be able to resell their used DVDs, along with putting a concrete limit on this behavior of DRM/anticopying schemes by the RIAA and MPAA."


:happy:

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Well, I know of worse things, but anyways, how is that the "shut the hell up and buy a flag"-act?

sure, i almost forgot that its your patriotic duty to be blind to the government taking away your civil rights. now be quiet and buy a flag ;) :P

[Flash]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
sure, i almost forgot that its your patriotic duty to be blind to the government taking away your civil rights. now be quiet and buy a flag ;) :P

Do you know a quite funny russian nickname for a police club ? It's a "democratisator" :D :D :D :D

And that's a way of Bush's "democracy" and "freedom"

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by Flash
Do you know a quite funny russian nickname for a police club ? It's a "democratisator" :D :D :D :D

rofl :happy:

[Flash]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
imo if you had a hundred options on this poll you still wouldnt be able to cover that topic. fuck, i still voted for the shoot in the head thingy. everytime our law enforcement goes into the room of some son of a bitch who ran through a school with a gun they notice he played counter strike and doom and dont notice the fucking swastikas on his walls. thats just my personal feeling. :doh:

They've also forgot a heroine or something else.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Theres more irony for you, liberalism means you favor freedom over order, whereas conservativism (if thats a word) means you favor order over freedom. These two seem to have exchanged meanings over time.

Thats very true actually

Incidentally the shadow home secratary (numebr 2 guy in the leader of britains opposition) was on tv the other day doing what i thought was a brilliant bit. They asked him who was his ideal polotician and why.

He said abraham lincoln because he stood for law and order going hand in hand with freedom. Believing that everyone had the right to choice within the limits of the law. It was a fantastic example of conservative beliefs and shows just how badly the media mis-represents the conservative take on things..

[vampireuk]

OK point out anything in which I as a socialist am against freedom? Go on take your time? My objection to the stfu and buy a flag patriot act perhaps?

As for the conservatives, I would just never vote for them if my life depended on it. Just like "new labour" they are full of horseshit and do not deserve my vote.

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sytaylor

He said abraham lincoln because he stood for law and order going hand in hand with freedom. Believing that everyone had the right to choice within the limits of the law. It was a fantastic example of conservative beliefs and shows just how badly the media mis-represents the conservative take on things..

i present to you ... the politican statement -- politican actions - gap.

still hearing all the shit they baffled during the year until they assume power and im taking the so-called liberals in our states with us.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by vampireuk
OK point out anything in which I as a socialist am against freedom?

Easy, you are against anybody having the freedom to own private property.

[vampireuk]

And when have I ever said that, hmm? Never, try making a statement about somebody that is not bullshit once in a while ;)

So care to try again? How am I against freedom?

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by vampireuk
And when have I ever said that, hmm? Never, try making a statement about somebody that is not bullshit once in a while ;)

So care to try again? How am I against freedom?

Well, that would mean that you realy are not communist, you're more or less "neo-socialist". Abolishment of all private property of any kind is the basis of communism, without that principle there is no communism.

[vampireuk]

Do you even read what I post or do you just twist what people say to make it more suitable for you to have a discussion with them.

OK point out anything in which I as a socialist am against freedom

Take the time to really read a post Alpha its good for discussion listening to what the other person says :P

[DuDe]

Well, I think that AlphaWolf just looked at your title :D

[vampireuk]

In that case I shall look at this.

Want a amen with that?:D

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by vampireuk
As for the conservatives, I would just never vote for them if my life depended on it. Just like "new labour" they are full of horseshit and do not deserve my vote.

The classic "they all piss in the same pot" argument. If you dislike what they have said before they say it how can you ever actually make a decision based on it?

Im betting if the BNP were gonna get in and the only other realistic option was to vote tory (say somebody shoots tony... not me... STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT!!)... Then that might change things.

By freedom, i mean like freedom to choose, having the choice to "lowerthe tax you pay on national insurance by taking out private health insurance" etc. Right now that is not an option, thus you are not free to choose.

However when it comes to which phone company you go with theres plenty of choice.. to me thats a form of consumer freedom, but within it is based a ground level of law (regulators like oftel).

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sytaylor


Im betting if the BNP were gonna get in and the only other realistic option was to vote tory (say somebody shoots tony... not me... STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT!!)... Then that might change things.

how would it as the tories' politics isnt much different from the one tony does?

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
how would it as the tories' politics isnt much different from the one tony does?

The BNP is not the labour party ffs!

If you voted tory over BNP you get pretty much what we had from the winter of discontent to 1997, if you didnt vote the the nationalist BNP might get in.. thats the point i was making

The shooting tony was to eliminate labour as a realistic governmental party

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sytaylor
The BNP is not the labour party ffs!

i know what the bnp is ffs :P

If you voted tory over BNP you get pretty much what we had from the winter of discontent to 1997, if you didnt vote the the nationalist BNP might get in.. thats the point i was making

the point you were making was something about politics that would change. care to explain that?

The shooting tony was to eliminate labour as a realistic governmental party

on the other hand they would get their godamn identity back .. maybe

[AlphaWolf]

Well, neo-socialist or communist (which vampireuk claimed to be several times other than what his usertext says), removing everybodies freedom to succeed above others is the general idea behind any form of socialism. That is, of course, among other freedoms that socialism removes:

Originally posted by sytaylor

By freedom, i mean like freedom to choose, having the choice to "lowerthe tax you pay on national insurance by taking out private health insurance" etc. Right now that is not an option, thus you are not free to choose.


Bingo.

[vampireuk]

meh you are a "dumb fat american" you dont know what you are talking about :P

[Jimbot]

I thot this thread was about video games... hmmm

[vampireuk]

Yeah we usually end up doing this:D

[2fast4u]

< vampireuk > political blablablablabla ..
< x2f4u > more political blablablablablabla ........
< sytaylor > lots of political blablablabla ...
< x2f4u > angry political blablabla
< AlphaWolf > unreasonable political-ish blablabla
< vampireuk > even more political blablabla-ish
< dixon > STFU PLEASE!!!!

:happy: :P

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
< vampireuk > political blablablablabla ..
< x2f4u > more political blablablablablabla ........
< sytaylor > lots of political blablablabla ...
< x2f4u > angry political blablabla
< AlphaWolf > unreasonable political-ish blablabla
< vampireuk > even more political blablabla-ish
< dixon > STFU PLEASE!!!!

:happy: :P

roflmao that pretty much sums the whole thing up:D

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
the point you were making was something about politics that would change. care to explain that?


change things = change the idea of not voting, in order to keep the BNP out of power

btw its beer time

:party: :beer:

[Lex]

I don't think videogames make people aggresive, anyone who thinks Video games cause violence must be shot :devil:

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sytaylor
change things = change the idea of not voting, in order to keep the BNP out of power

aaaaahhh, now we talking. not much objection on that.


btw its beer time

:party: :beer:

where i may not agree with you politically, sy - i will defend to the death your right to drink beer and pass the joy on to us.

cheers!

:cheers: