This makes me sick to my stomach

[Kahenraz]

http://megagames.com/news/html/pc/h-l2thiefspeaks.shtml


This is truely incredible. This will ruin Valve!! I can't even describe how this makes me feel... They have been working on that game for YEARS!

 

[pj64er]

Ill be buying a legal copy of HL2 when and if it comes out (of course, after a huge upgrade to my system). Noone deserves this.

 

[Hexidecimal]

Well, I can't say I am excited about HL2 because frankly, I just don't care. But this is pretty low, i mean, why would you ruin a game that millions are dying for. Those who grab the beta are ruining the game for themselves.

My heart goes out to you Valve.

 

[sytaylor]

meh bothers me not.. i'll buy it anyway, as will most people who bought the first i imagine

 

[Malcolm]

Releasing the source code, a beta and the 'gold' version of HL2 isn't really going to do anything, besides piss some people off.

Valve is going to re-code the net code to be incompatible with its old net code. It will revise other code to make sure hacks that worked on the leaked/stolen version incompatible on the official version.

This is just a piss-off for valve.

The main reason why people are going to buy HL2 is for the mods and online gaming. People making mods for the leaked/stolen version will quickly be caught or be condemned by the people in the community and of course leaked/stolen based servers won't exist, you have direct access to their IP.

In short, this is just a piss off to everyone (including myself) who has been waiting for the game to be released; now we just have to wait a little longer...

 

[Malcolm]

Here's a little update for ya. If Gabe isn't full of crap it looks like they are progressing well in removing the backdoor programs in their network and in finding whos done da' stealing.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/28641/

 

[pandamoan]

Am i the only one here who believes that freedom of ALL information is a natural evolution of the bill of rights, and that all source code should be free, anyway? I read a couple of software pundits claiming some of this could actually help valve, who probably won't be on the bread line soon, either, btw.

oh, and as far as open source philosophy, etc:
the hacker got it all through outlook express, so maybe this is a little karma for them, eh? should've used mozilla!

jamie

oh yeah, and they should've been working on a linux version. MS WHORES!

 

[Trotterwatch]

Am i the only one here who believes that freedom of ALL information is a natural evolution of the bill of rights, and that all source code should be free, anyway?

It's up to the authors to decide what they release. I mean, in that case surely I could ask to see the contents of your personal diary - same thing? Or perhaps I should be able to walk into a bookstore and just take a book - of course paying for the raw materials cost.

I think you just want everything for nothing.

oh, and as far as open source philosophy, etc:
the hacker got it all through outlook express, so maybe this is a little karma for them, eh? should've used mozilla!

Or perhaps patched up Outlook Express. Yes it may be full of holes, but all the serious ones can be patched. Microsoft are not responsible for bad network admins, contrary to what the anti-anything Microsoft movement thinks.

oh yeah, and they should've been working on a linux version. MS WHORES!

Oh stop it already, the let's criticise Microsoft for everything is quite frankly getting repetitive.

 

[smegforbrain]

If I work on something like a game, or a book, I expect to get paid for it.

As does I'm sure everybody working for Valve.

Let's face it, this company is relying heavily on this game, and they were relying on a holiday release to boost their sales.
That won't happen now, and it's not going to look good on their bottom line in the long run.

I hope they catch the bastard that stole the code.

 

[Moose Jr.]

Am i the only one here who believes that freedom of ALL information is a natural evolution of the bill of rights, and that all source code should be free, anyway?

Yes.

You're disregarding one of the fundamentals of American society: the right to own property. Information, be it in the physical form or digital is still protected under law as property and cannot be confiscated at will by anyone who has the impulse to. If the same thing happend to you that did to Valve, I don't think you would be too happy. Unless you were I'd say you were being highly inconsistent.

I hope they catch the bastard that stole the code.

I wholeheartedly agree. I've always wondered why the heck they don't just use their "m@d sk1llz" to make something of their own...


I think Malcolm said it best though. In the end HL2 sales aren't going to take much of a hit at all. I mean really... who is so cheap they can't afford 50 bucks for a game that will last 3 or more years? Oh wait... this is an emulation forum...


Edit:

This is a quote of a quote from a Gamespy article:

"Whoever did this is an enemy not only of game developers, but of gamers. I can understand anti-globalization protestors picketing the G8. I can understand AIDS activists shutting down the Golden Gate Bridge. I can even understand people who pirate shipped games. But I can only imagine the person who did this was a gamer. To him I say, 'Congratulations: Thanks to you, developers are going to spend more time worrying about security and less time making fun games. Nice going, loser.'"

Well stated... A hacker that 0wnz himself.

 

[My95ZR2]

Um...I wouldn't buy it. I can't justify laying down $50 for a game. I'm cheap, I'll admit it. I'll wait till it goes down to 12.99 (like Blue Shift )

Adam

 

[DuDe]

Am i the only one here who believes that freedom of ALL information is a natural evolution of the bill of rights, and that all source code should be free, anyway?

If source code will be free for all software, no one will work in the software industry anymore. So yes, you are the only one.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Am i the only one here who believes that freedom of ALL information is a natural evolution of the bill of rights, and that all source code should be free, anyway?

Yes, I believe you are the only one.

See "Article I, Section 8 - Powers of Congress" of the US constitution. It says that congress has the power: (and I quote)

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Which means that if you author or invent something, it belongs to you, and for a limited period of time, you and only you get to decide exactly what gets to be done with your work. Doing otherwise is nothing other than socialism, plain and simple.

 

[pandamoan]

though i understand ALL the emotions stated below, i can't help thinking this is mass aperbag:. Simply put information is VERY difficult to keep private, for the long term, nearly impossible. This just strikes me as a physical reality REGARDLESS of the ethics / moral desires behind it.

molecular assemblers and the internet are going to cause out and out chaos, if we don't start structuring society to deal with this issue now.

so, regardless of your ethical and moral FEELINGS, there's a little thing called reality that we are all going to have to deal with.

and socialism is not a dirty word anymore, btw. Most of the people who live in Sweden prefer it, statistically, to most of the people in other countries and their respective governments.

none of this is MY ethical or moral treatise, just an observation on the state of where we all are, and where we are (inevitably, would be my guess) going.

and MS bashing for outlook security holes is not only DEAD ON, but completely ethically justified. If i was trying to charge people money for a car that could potentially ruin their lives etc, I WOULD BE IN JAIL.

jamie

 

[Trotterwatch]

and MS bashing for outlook security holes is not only DEAD ON, but completely ethically justified. If i was trying to charge people money for a car that could potentially ruin their lives etc, I WOULD BE IN JAIL.

Yes but if you were to use a car and not bother replacing the tires when needed, then you could crash it. Everything needs maitanence of some kind at some point.

Tell you what, put an average Windows user in front of a Linux box that has been set up with minimal security. Now let's say they don't update it, apply patches etc - yep they'll end up getting hacked if they were a big enough target.

So please take your head up out of your arse just for a second. You have a terribly high opinion of yourself IMHO

If you hate MS that much why do you use their OS on your computer?

Yep I know you have stolen it, but why use it?

They're a monopoly you say, you have to use the OS to play games you want to play? Well until self righteous people such as yourself make a stand, they will stay a monopoly.

Simply stealing their software and using it, but still moaning about it makes you come across as someone who believes they have a great moral stance but really has none at all. You are a thief, who is desperately seeking some sort of justification for it.

though i understand ALL the emotions stated below, i can't help thinking this is mass . Simply put information is VERY difficult to keep private, for the long term, nearly impossible. This just strikes me as a physical reality REGARDLESS of the ethics / moral desires behind it.

Please send me everything you own or know via a PM, bank details, name, address, telephone number, erm shoe size etc etc What you want privacy? But I thought all information should be free? Or is it only free when you benefit from it?

 

[DuDe]

You are a thief, who is desperately seeking some sort of justification for it.

/me is digging out an old saying of himself...
"On the other hand, stealing and advocating it with etics is a blatant display of kleptomania".

 

[AlphaWolf]

molecular assemblers and the internet are going to cause out and out chaos, if we don't start structuring society to deal with this issue now.

You know, theres always a lot of FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) surrounding technological revolutions (Henry Fords invention of the assembly line was a big one). But, sooner or later, everybody adapts. The chaos that your speaking of has already began so far as the internet is concerned. It started during the dot-com crash, and the dawn of the P2P era, as well as the nintendo generation overfilling the IT industry so much that jobs there have gone dry. The chaos itself is the state that our economy is in as a result, but trust me when I say we have had far far far worse times on numerous occasions, and the economy will recover.

so, regardless of your ethical and moral FEELINGS, there's a little thing called reality that we are all going to have to deal with.

Precisely, which is why you shouldn't keep blowing around all of these government conspiracy theories. Not a single one of them is real. Your just kind of pissed off because things aren't being run the way your friends or family want them to be run. For example, you don't know why you hate bush, all you know is that you hate bush because everybody you know hates bush, so you just go around splitting hairs everytime something goes wrong.

and socialism is not a dirty word anymore, btw. Most of the people who live in Sweden prefer it, statistically, to most of the people in other countries and their respective governments.

And thats good for Sweeden, much like stalinism was good for the USSR, and like capitalism is good for the states. It's just the way that those people preferred to run their own system. We don't like socialism here because it removes freedom to own private property. For example, think of the computer you are using right now, under a socialist party, if the government or society determines that somebody else needs your computer more than you do, then guess what? They take it away from you, and you never get it back, because it wasn't truely yours to begin with. This is how things like universal health care currently work, the government decides that other people need your money more than you do, they don't even give you the chance to make the decision to donate it, they just automaticaly assume it and take it from you without question, because they believe that money that you earned doesn't truely belong to you. Frankly, I would rather have the freedom to decide what I get to do with my own property.

and MS bashing for outlook security holes is not only DEAD ON, but completely ethically justified. If i was trying to charge people money for a car that could potentially ruin their lives etc, I WOULD BE IN JAIL.

No you would not at all, but you could get sued into oblivion.

 

[Moose Jr.]

and socialism is not a dirty word anymore, btw. Most of the people who live in Sweden prefer it, statistically, to most of the people in other countries and their respective governments.

My Dad used to work for Volvo, a car manufacturer based in Sweden. He told me-and I can generally trust what he says as accurate and truthful-that for every job that could be done in America by one person, Volvo has to hire three. The reason is they don't have the same incentive to work. The benefits of hard work are nullified when the end result is always the same regardless of the effort.

I can understand why Swedes prefer socialism. I love it myself when I can work in a group and subtly transfer my share of the work-by decreased effort, bathroom breaks, (you can get creative with this sort of thing)-to the rest of the group. The job still gets done and I still reap the benefits, but I sure didn't have to work as hard.

The side-effect of all this is that over time the total national production of a country declines, and the country grows poorer and poorer. This in turn can lead to revolts and the like, after which a new style of govenrment is instated. Can you guess what happens next?

Welcome to the Law of Undulation.

I recognize that there are other factors, but in most cases, that's what has happened, and will continue to happen. It's human nature.

 

[AlphaWolf]

They're a monopoly you say, you have to use the OS to play games you want to play? Well until self righteous people such as yourself make a stand, they will stay a monopoly.

Well said, thats what I keep trying to tell him.

 

[AlphaWolf]

The side-effect of all this is that over time the total national production of a country declines, and the country grows poorer and poorer. This in turn can lead to revolts and the like, after which a new style of govenrment is instated. Can you guess what happens next?

Welcome to the Law of Undulation.

I recognize that there are other factors, but in most cases, that's what has happened, and will continue to happen. It's human nature.

This is what resulted in Stalinism in the USSR. Eventualy people just worked less and less until nothing was being done, so the government had to step in and tell people what job they were going to do, and how they were going to do it. Kind of funny how some things turned out, like the government would set standards in terms of weight for what each production line would produce per year. Instead of people getting more cars though, they just got much much heavier cars because the employees would cheat the system, and Russian cars became known throughout the world as the heaviest cars made