The Church vs. The Code

[ScottJC]

I'm not going to blindly follow a belief just because of some crummy book, thats called False hope and too many people buy into that crap. As for Biblical accounts being most historically accurate... lets see, Noahs ark... that can't possibly have happened... a guy splitting the ocean to cross it... nope that sounds stupid too. A guy coming back from the dead? Erm, No. Mary giving birth to Jesus asexually... no. It's all completely and incredibly stupid.

If you honestly believe the earth is only 10,000 years old you're a fool. Science > Religion... Look how many religions there are, they can't all be right... explain that... Do you know why Terrorists Bomb the USA? because of you guessed it, their religion... still think Religion is cool? Of course you do... you'd believe anything just because you can't bare the thought of nothing happening when you die... religious beliefs are too comforting to give up so you'll blindly follow it no matter how irrelevant it is.

 

[Alchemist]

I'm going to ask you a question, how many years have you been around on earth? I'm guessing it's going to be somewhere around the mid-twenties. How can you possibly say that a book which millions of people twice your age, and thousands of years of history have attested to as true is rubbish? That is extremely arrogant.

Oh, and please, give me some repuatble proof that the earth is millions of years old. Because if it's out there, I haven't seen it.

Who says it's a "he"? Perhaps it's a she. Or better yet! An it!

I do. Thousands of years of history do.

 

[Doomulation]

I'm going to ask you a question, how many years have you been around on earth? I'm guessing it's going to be somewhere around the mid-twenties. How can you possibly say that a book which millions of people twice your age, and thousands of years of history have attested to as true is rubbish? That is extremely arrogant.

Right...

Oh, and please, give me some repuatble proof that the earth is millions of years old. Because if it's out there, I haven't seen it.

Look for scientists! They've found dinosaurs and modern technology can determine when they lived. And so they say it is millions of years ago. Proof enough for me.

I do. Thousands of years of history do.

Oh, what history? The bible? Very convincing. Besides, have they ever witnessed this "God"? Perhaps they haven't. And if they have not, how can they tell?

 

[Alchemist]

Look for scientists! They've found dinosaurs and modern technology can determine when they lived. And so they say it is millions of years ago. Proof enough for me.

So you think that technology that has been around for a few years is absolutely accurate? It's foolish to base a theory on a sketchy way of measuring carbon.

I've read that carbon dating data is totally subjective. A scientist once took in a bone from a horse that had recently died and the dating process said that it was over 3 million years old! Accurate? I think not.

 

[Doomulation]

And yet there are so many that say the same. With such, and the fact that we haven't any such creature here for incredibly long says that they are probably from a long gone time.
You seem pesimistic in everything. Technology that has existed for a few years is, indeed, accurate.

 

[Clements]

Since geological records show the oldest rock on earth as being oh, about 10,000 years old, I would say nothing knows how long 7 million years is.

So I take it you have a degree in Physics and are in the position to dismiss scientific truths on a whim? Lets see some credible Scientific Journals backing you up. For now, I provide this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

You talk about evolution as if it is viable fact, when it's just a theory that countless scientists have added, subtracted, and modified. You talk about tolerance, and yet, you can't tolerate anything that challenges you're "right" to do whatever you want.

You do not even understand what a theory is. Lets see you try to dispute Evolutionary Theory. Bare in mind I am a biologist with a degree in Cell and Molecular Biology and have seen all the evidence first hand with my work on genomics.

 

[Alchemist]

*Alchemist slinks back in horror*

All I can say is that article has a lot of "if"s and a whole lot of assumptions (that the universe was distributed from a single point).

Beyond that I have no expertise.

 

[ScottJC]

How can you possibly say that a book which millions of people twice your age, and thousands of years of history have attested to as true is rubbish? That is extremely arrogant.

Think about that sentence for a moment, See what is wrong with it...? Popularity doesn't mean a thing... Trillions of people could read it and it still wouldn't be any truer than it would be if one person read it and bought into that baloney.

Your statement in itself is extremely arrogant as you are basically saying that a Book is automatically true just because of its popularity and age. Only a few hundred years ago if I had been making these statements I'd probably have been killed for not believing in our "one true god".

Belief is one thing but most of the time people with religious beliefs take their beliefs too far, Look at that Denmark Newspaper with the comic, portraying Muhammad as a Terrorist and the people who believe that religion went and burnt down a Danish embassy in retaliation... right way to prove your country is not full of terrorists you middle eastern jerks.

Popularity means nothing... if it did Star Trek would be real, Star Trek is loved by millions of fans around the world... is it true? NO!!! Ok then i'm going to go out on a limb here and ask everyone here to say if they think Star Trek is real, I certainly think it is... I can build a totally irrational and crazy religion out of Star Trek

Thousands of years from now when it has a good amount of history behind it the ScottJC of the future will be coming in and saying exactly what Alchemist is saying right now... "Wow.. how can you say a book which is really old and loved by millions isn't true".... pssh please get some logic.

 

[WhiteX]

All I can say is that article has a lot of "if"s and a whole lot of assumptions (that the universe was distributed from a single point).

Are you so blindly tied to the Bible that you could not realize that this "single point", for a man of belief, can be God, that all derived from "his" existence.

There is room for one who sees the work of a higher power on every day life to believe scientific evidence and still be a man of faith, but there is no room to accept anything without questioning it the way you accept the Bible.

You're afraid that, in the end, you can't control your own fate.

I believe in God, i see his work every day in my life, things that you go..."Well, just look at that!", but i am free, i am bound by no fate but the one i get to choose every minute with both tiny and huge decisions, no God tells me what to do, he presents his doings in a subtle form, but the ultimate choice to accept what is presented in front of me is mine alone.

 

[Alchemist]

Think about that sentence for a moment, See what is wrong with it...? Popularity doesn't mean a thing... Trillions of people could read it and it still wouldn't be any truer than it would be if one person read it and bought into that baloney.

What I was saying is that it's arrogant for you to say that those millions of people are wrong because "you think so." Prove that God doesn't exsist by some means other than just saying, "I don't think God exsists."

 

[Doomulation]

Prove that God DOES exist and we shall believe you. Thank you.

 

[J-Nic]

the fact that we haven't any such creature here for incredibly long says that they are probably from a long gone time.

That's so true. According to the bible, back then it would only take a simple plea to god to get him to come out of the sky and make things right. nowadays the only sign of god and heaven are the bible, blood coming out of the statue of mary's eyes and a mel gibson movie. I'm sorry to comment on the beleifs of catholics, (I am also catholic) but evolution just seems to make more sense then religon. Why would our god let all of these horrible things happen to people on a count of religon.

I could try to make more sense out of it, but theres just isn't enough sense to be made. there are so many times that people have been miraculasly cured by a disease or something like that, and people just jump to the conclusion that it was a "miracle." what about the people who haven't survived. Who have died from something like second-hand smoke and never smoked a day in thier life. great things happen, but thier not always a miracle.


and alchemist, you say it's not right for us to comment on religon, then it's not right for them to comment on the devinci code, which is a damn good movie.

My mother does not belive in religon, so is she going to hell? I'm sorry, but I cannot believe in a religon that would send a woman like my mother to hell...

it all just seems like one big well thought out novel

 

[DuDe]

I've read that carbon dating data is totally subjective. A scientist once took in a bone from a horse that had recently died and the dating process said that it was over 3 million years old! Accurate? I think not.

Of course that radiocarbon dating is not accurate. Hey, I figure that the guy that invented it got a Nobel prize just because he gave some awesome handjobs to the dudes that run the show at the Nobel prize commitey, am I right?

 

[ScottJC]

What I was saying is that it's arrogant for you to say that those millions of people are wrong because "you think so." Prove that God doesn't exsist by some means other than just saying, "I don't think God exsists."

I'd also like to see all the millions of bible bashers prove that god DOES exist... but thats like proving theres a steel kettle orbitting the sun, you know that sounds stupid but there is no way you could disprove it.

Just because you can't disprove something doesn't make it true either you see, see the questions about "Does a tree make a sound if it falls in the woods and nobody hears it?" its the same class as that; I firmly believe it does make a sound but theres no way i could prove it... so it doesn't make it true.

Sure I can't disprove god, but there is no proof either... I'm not going to take something at face value like the Bible and immediately insert it into my life, what does it do for me anyway? Nothing. I don't need no stinking book telling me how to live especially one which is full of utter garbage.

Now, i'm off to go convert a book loved by millions into a religion... Harry Potter! Millions love it... so it MUST be true...! Oh wait it already is turning into a religion... damn MUGGLES!!! They'll go to hell because they can't do magic.

 

[Alchemist]

Have you read the bible? It sure would be ironic if you were doing what the "Christian radicals" were doing, judging something before analyzing it completely.

You want proof God exsists? Here it is:

Did you wake up this morning?
If you did, why did you?

What caused your mind to return out of complete relaxation to find itself in this world which, let's face it, sucks.

 

[Clements]

You want proof God exsists? Here it is:

Did you wake up this morning?
If you did, why did you?

That is not proof of the existence of God. That is just Circadian Rhythm.

 

[Doomulation]

Did you wake up this morning?
If you did, why did you?

What caused your mind to return out of complete relaxation to find itself in this world which, let's face it, sucks.

Well... by my phone. It wakes me up every morning.
And why did I? Because I needed to go to school.
Returning from relaxtion... ah... the phone annoyed me. It woke me up. And we're "supposed" to live in this world which "sucks."

 

[ScottJC]

You want proof God exsists? Here it is:

Did you wake up this morning?
If you did, why did you?

Do you know anything about the human body you complete and utter idiot, sleep is our form of regenerating energy... we either wake up because we have to (i.e. alarm clock) or sleep until our brain tells us we've slept enough.

It is NOT proof of god... here's another way of phrasing that idiotic sentence you gave, the VCR records a programme off the TV signal through an analog signal at a specific time... who is responcible for that? you'd say god because it is impossible for Man to do anything on his own isn't it?

WRONG. Get a grip on reality... Gods were only part of our life in the first place because we couldn't explain things like the Sun... even weather seemed baffling to people back at one time.

We are intelligent creatures but some of the things we believe are completely intelligent... See animals? they don't believe in god... they just take reality as it is and sometimes that is the best policy.

Btw, I do believe in the possibility of God(s), I just don't believe in any of the religious ones we currently have, imho I believe they are all wrong... Since they can't all be correct and all are equally as "believeable" and there is no proof they are nothing more than Fiction.

Like I said earlier, I am not going to let what is likely a total sham thats been going on for years dictate my life. Now if you can come back and give a solid argument like we have Alchemist and no more than half a sentence maybe you wouldn't look so foolish.

What this all comes down to is Fiction vs Fiction, the Church based on fiction vs a movie based on fiction... yeah I think i'll choose the movie because at least it admits that it is fiction - And at least I can spell "Exist" correctly!

 

[zAlbee]

Oh, and by the way, not only is evolution unrepeatable and and unable to be examined (therefore unscientific) if you look around you, it's pretty obvious that the world we live in was planned out pretty carefully.

Wrong. Evolution is observable and has been observed. Random mutations in DNA happens, this is not debateable. DNA replication has only an error rate of 0.001% and there are repair mechanisms that make this number much much smaller, but with 3.2 trillion base-pairs per cell, mutations will still happen. Even if only 0.001% of the mutations are beneficial and don't kill the organism right away, it still happens.

It may take hundreds of generations before a single DNA mutation is created that is beneficial, but this can be observed with very-quickly replicating species such as bacteria, and the slower yeast. This happens. It's been observed. You can manipulate the environment of the organism and you will find that eventually it will evolve to adapt to that environment. Want an example? Antibiotic resistance is evolved this way.


I challenge you to take a closer look at the world around you. It is not a static world. Things are changing all the time. I'm sure you've heard of how many species are becoming extinct by the day; environmental activists like to tell us this all the time. Maybe you didn't know that an even larger amount of new species are being created all the time. Organisms are evolving. Humans are evolving. We're not the same as we were 200 years ago, and we won't be the same 200 years from now.

Stay in school, buddy.

 

[Fabricio_EX]

Alchemist, it's about time for you start thinking about your life on the Earth an its meaning. You can't blindly follow the bible, man. Even if you say that everything in this book is true, then your god is not as good as I though he was. Killing almost all of its own ppl with the flood, on the desert... It seems that he is as perverse as those condemned by humanity (i.e. Hitler). The same humanity that worship this god of destruction and death. Only if he have some sort of agreement with the Devil. Why? Have you ever wondered about how do you know about god's "existence"? Because of the Devil's doings, don't you think? Which means that god is NOTHING w/o the devil and he needs the evil to make ppl believe that this god exists and can do something to help the humanity. But don't get me wrong, I respect your choice; yet, I can discord from it, right?