Pirating's gone waaaaay too far...

[sytaylor]

...anyway to add to the topic and detract from the pissing match..

The film indsutry doesn't wan tto punish pirates, but would rather concentrate on getting a legal infrastructure in place to distribute the media. If the legal version is good enough then why would somebody want the hassle of the illegal version?

I know I for one wouldn't.

 

[The Khan Artist]

The film indsutry doesn't wan tto punish pirates, but would rather concentrate on getting a legal infrastructure in place to distribute the media. If the legal version is good enough then why would somebody want the hassle of the illegal version?

That's the logical thing to do, but the industry doesn't want to do it.

 

[scotty]

The industry is combatting piracy, but there will never be a finish to piracy, someone somewhere will always find a way to beat the system

 

[KingTom]

yesterday the CRC (canadian) announced they would start suing downloaders of pirated music

lunch money grabbing, here we go

 

[Eagle]

Oh really, and what would sueing the downloaders accomplish? If you want to stop it (something I think is truely impossible) you have to

1. Make it impossible to do - Increase you protection against hackers that rip MP3's and DVD's and hack games and software. This seems impossible to me because someone will always find a clever way of getting around it.

2. Go after the illegal distributors - Sue the distributors. Again, we saw this with Napster, but then Kazaa popped up and all was well in the pirating world.

Lawsuits on the downloaders is like killing the ants that you can see on top of the mound. There is always more.

 

[pandamoan]

Oh really, and what would sueing the downloaders accomplish? If you want to stop it (something I think is truely impossible) you have to

1. Make it impossible to do - Increase you protection against hackers that rip MP3's and DVD's and hack games and software. This seems impossible to me because someone will always find a clever way of getting around it.

2. Go after the illegal distributors - Sue the distributors. Again, we saw this with Napster, but then Kazaa popped up and all was well in the pirating world.

Lawsuits on the downloaders is like killing the ants that you can see on top of the mound. There is always more.

or:

3. Radically change your philosophy and deal with a place *I* call, "reality". Computers and their networks have changed the way many people live, and they will continue to do so. Information is no longer a chargeable commodity, and while I DO think content creators should get some compensation, the current system is OBVIOUSLY not the answer. Maybe countries can alot a certain amount of money to intellectual properties (from some sort of taxation), and then citizens can vote for candidates to recieve those monies (scientists, artists, musicians, etc.). Or something far beyond our current comprehension. One thing is for sure: the old ways are dead, long live the new ways, get over it.

 

[KingTom]

or:

...One thing is for sure: the old ways are dead, long live the new ways, get over it.

haha, love it
i get over old way now i do

 

[Clements]

And thanks to connections like Cable and Broadband to download the illegal stuff, and hard drives that are 160GB+ to store the illegal stuff, and CD and DVD rewriters to store and distribute the illegal stuff, pirating has never been easier.

I probably have the least pirated stuff on my HD here at Emutalk, with (nearly) all my PC games and OS are legit. This is if you don't count MS Office and my gigs of emulator stuff... Whoops! Maybe I don't have the least then... :happy:

I mean, certain programs are just too expensive, and pirating is so easy thanks to all these companies releasing hardware that I mentioned as well as P2P apps to spread the illegit material on.

My pirating Uncle equipped with a large HD, DVD-rewriter and Broadband churns out more dodgy disks than music companies release music singles! Thousands of pounds worth of crap he gets for free. It just seems plain wrong.

Disclaimer: Do not pirate anything. My uncle is a bad man and I do not condone his actions.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Unfortunately, the only non-pirated OS I have is Windows 98 SE, that's why sometimes you hear me brag about it. Windows XP and Windows 2000 break some
earlier PC games :down:. Way to go, Microsoft!!! :down:. Of coarse, I purchased GTA III, probably back in December, 2002. I also have 17 Nintendo 64 games :matrix: I don't like Windows product activation, that's why. Windows product activation can "punish" people for getting a different motherboard and if changing cards around.

 

[DuDe]

or:

3. Radically change your philosophy and deal with a place *I* call, "reality".

And like I have explained to you over and over again, your reality is at best a twisted form of the true reality, in which everyone but you live. In this reality, software piracy is stealing, rather than some so called "ethical fight" against the evil corporations that rule the world.
Now, lets see what have we learned today :
Stealing is BAD. Pirating software is BAD.
And that's it.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Information is no longer a chargeable commodity, and while I DO think content creators should get some compensation, the current system is OBVIOUSLY not the answer.

Or something far beyond our current comprehension. One thing is for sure: the old ways are dead, long live the new ways, get over it.

Thats funny, it still seems tol be a multi-trillion dollar industry. I think all of that weed is altering your perception of reality.

Maybe countries can alot a certain amount of money to intellectual properties (from some sort of taxation), and then citizens can vote for candidates to recieve those monies (scientists, artists, musicians, etc.).

So artwork should become a mob rule?

 

[Gigahurtz]

3 main excuses i hear of people justifying for pirating:
1) "Product way too expensive for what I need it for"
2) "I just need to use it just once or a few times only"
3) "Don't have access or money to get the product" (people under age or greedy adults fall in to this)

Perhaps there needs to be a compromise between the companies and the consumers with options 1 & 2 but option 3 is just stealing and wrong in my opinion.

 

[pandamoan]

dude and alpha: you both get minus 2 points for a week personality attack, or perspective attack. you did not argue the ISSUE at all. Jesus, why bother to debate me at all? You're embarrassing.

/dude
Oh, wait, let me get something straight. You're saying that the current system isn't working becasue it's so easy to steal the hard work of people over the Internet, and because it's so easy to steal it, it should be all given away freely or hell if I know what, and punishing those that steal shouldn't be done because they are 13 year olds or something. And basically, because the Internet is such a free medium, then every piece of information should be free, i.e software/music/movies. So basically, no coder really owns his own work, no singer can claim property for the album he put a lot of money and thought in, and multi-million budget movies should be broadcasted to your house the day they are released, because, hell, it's all should be free.

And after all of that, I'm the embarassing one?

/end dude

/edit
i don't remember exactly what i said yesterday, but it was something about leaving the keys in the car with the engine running is like content creation these days. you better just expect to get ripped off. i wasn't giving it a moral validation, it's just the place called REALITY where we are (for the most part) all living atm. So whining about it is foolish. that's like whining about the fact that you WILL eventually die, like it or not.

i didn't even care to comment on whether this piracy is moral or not, that seems like much less of an issue to me. it seems like the vast majority of people are sociopaths anyway who will do whatever they want UNLESS they have a chance to get caught and catch reprecussions.
/end edit

censorship.... the lowest form of debate.

 

[DuDe]

Fuck, I'm sorry, I meant to reply to panda's post, and I accidentally hit the edit button, and then all hell broke loose because my reply was actually an edit of panda's post... I hope that you remember the stuff that you've written panda, because you will have to re-post it.
FUCK

 

[vampireuk]

Sorry panda but this is too funny I had to restore it

 

[AlphaWolf]

dude and alpha: you both get minus 2 points for a week personality attack, or perspective attack. you did not argue the ISSUE at all. Jesus, why bother to debate me at all? You're embarrassing.

Hmm...let me count how many points I have...Damn, zero, chrylove is probably beating me

 

[2fast4u]

if you thought our famous political matches of the past on this board were low, get a load of this shit here ...

 

[pandamoan]

if you thought our famous political matches of the past on this board were low, get a load of this shit here ...

damn, editing out my posts is one way to win an argument i guess. i'm not going to bother with reposting, i had it more succinctly yesterday anyway.

 

[vampireuk]

If you read what Dude wrote you will see it was a accident

 

[Gigahurtz]

Wow, what a political fight. I guess piracy is a very controversial topic. My previous post sounds out of place but *if* this fight ends, it may be good to take a look at it to get back on track for this thread.