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revl8er

That Damn Good
That's pretty f**ked up that the FBI would get involved like that. I guess they really want to get rid of pirating. People better watch out what they are downloading. I could care less about the people getting targeted such as warez, but I am concerned about fairlight being targeted since I downloaded a couple of his games in the past. Oh well, I guess it was gonna happen sooner or later.
 

revl8er

That Damn Good
Don’t you just love the way stuff always turns into something completely different on EmuTalk?

This isn't anything compared to gamefaqs.

How much did these people getting sued download?

I can't remember exact numbers, but I read that the people could get sued for $150,000 for every song because of the federal copyright law. They only caught people who were downloading frequently.
 
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Xade

Irrelevant Insight
Y'know Alpha, indeed whatever way you spin it, it was infact the English who laid the foundations for the very democracy that you are so proud of, with the magna carta being one of many contributions.

Also the fact that, y'know, you = us to a certain degree. And it's a commonly known fact that your legal system and many other rights and freedoms of your citizens were based on the very same that existed within England.

Just a pity we were hell-bent on dominating you guys, so I'll apologise a few hundred years later on behalf of my moronic ancestors.

AND with another note to the whole cd situation, an album in HMV here typically retails at £12-14 ($20-24). Of course, with sales the prices often come down, and independents usually offer them for less, but the average price of a cd for me translated for you guys is thereabouts $16. Not cheap. It's understandable that people should be annoyed with price-fixing, but then A) your RIAA guys have no power here and B) even in the US you'd have to be dumb to stroll into Tower Records and expect a bargain. If that's your attitude to buying music as opposed to bargain-hunting, then you deserve your rip-off CDs. It's piss easy to find CDs half price with some searching.
 
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smegforbrain

New member
vampireuk said:
If you use kazaa you deserve to get sued :p

*chuckle* Too true.

Although, I have yet to fully figure out whether the RIAA targetting extreme downloaders, or extreme uploaders, or both.

Everybody is saying something different between whether these are uploaders or downloaders that are getting sued.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Xade said:
Y'know Alpha, indeed whatever way you spin it, it was infact the English who laid the foundations for the very democracy that you are so proud of, with the magna carta being one of many contributions.

Well, history is history, I guess you can interpret it however you want :p

So far as the justice system, you are right, but we are more conservative. E.g. in the US, the instant a burglar breaks into your house uninvited, he loses all rights, including that of life and liberty. In england, he has the right to not get diced up by a samurai sword. :happy:
 
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Moose Jr.

Raging Moose
AlphaWolf said:
Well, history is history, I guess you can interpret it however you want :p

So far as the justice system, you are right, but we are more conservative. E.g. in the US, the instant a burglar breaks into your house uninvited, he loses all rights, including that of life and liberty. In england, he has the right to not get diced up by a samurai sword. :happy:

And the sad thing is, the guys who robbed his house will probably get less time. :blink:
 

Moose Jr.

Raging Moose
smegforbrain said:
*chuckle* Too true.

Although, I have yet to fully figure out whether the RIAA targetting extreme downloaders, or extreme uploaders, or both.

Everybody is saying something different between whether these are uploaders or downloaders that are getting sued.

It seems reasonable to me that only the download should get charged, seeing as the uploaders can't exactly FORCE you to download illegally from them. But then again, this whole mess seems to have little to do with reason.
 

revl8er

That Damn Good
Well I believe that uploaders should be charged for putting the files up for downloading. Even though they don't force you to download, they are putting them there knowing what people are going to do with them.

If you use kazaa you deserve to get sued :p

I currently don't use kazaa, but I did to begin with until I found Kazaa lite and bittorrent. I also make sure that I don't share my files to make sure I don't get caught because of uploading.
 

NeoNight

New member
i'd like to see them catch people on mirc lol

that'll probably be like looking for a few needles in a river.
 

Xade

Irrelevant Insight
No.

And Alpha, that post was from the Scotsman for God's sakes, the source title is self-evident as not English!!!

Although, admittedly there was this guy over here who shot some punk burgular with a shotgun and got put down for a couple of years.

In the US can you just lace bullets into the intruder?
 

vampireuk

Mr. Super Clever
Actually in both countries (UK and US) if you get injured trying to burgle someone you can turn around and sue them :rolleyes: its bloody rediculous.
 

NeoNight

New member
lol yeah you should be kind to your burglars! leave the door open for them and make sure the floor isn't slippery or has any objects laid around that could cause them to trip. :spiderman
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Xade said:
In the US can you just lace bullets into the intruder?

Yep, once somebody intrudes, they are at your complete disposal so long as you don't do anything unnecessary like rape them :D (though it hasn't happened yet so I can't say whether or not you can, but my guess is certainly not.)

There was one guy in my state who killed an intruder with an illegal firearm, all the state did was take it away from him and give him the same fine that you'd get if you were just cought normally, no jail time or anything severe though.

You have to make sure that you are the one that does the damage to the intruder though, because if they slip and break a finger they can sue you for medical expenses (but that isn't to say that you can't countersue for damages and invasion of privacy, and they still do go to jail for breaking and entering.)

Not sure why this is either, I think it has something to do with you being responsible for the safety of your property (e.g. in case some child walks into your back yard and drowns in your pool, you are held responsible) and some crazy lawyers carried that precident over to include illegal breaking and entering. IMO congress needs to do something to fix that. Hell, I don't even think you should be responsible for somebody elses half assed parenting, but we have liberals in our society, and they insist. (in fact most of them want to remove your right to defend your own property a la the current system in england *shudder*)
 
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revl8er

That Damn Good
Well I have heard of people getting in trouble for shooting an intruder even though he's trespassing. All you have to do though is put a weapon in his hand or say you saw something shiny in his hand.
 

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