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mudlord

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And I suppose you are going to agree with MooglyGuy that anyone who doesn't use his philosophy of emulation are ROM kiddiez????
 

angrylion

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Why do you think so? No, I disagree with this statement. More than that, I'm unsure if Moogly thinks exactly as you expressed it (though he may deny other emulation techniques).

As for ContraSF, I merely explained why corn 0.30 didn't normally work in 2k/XP.

I believe that everyone is free to use whatever emulation methods they like.
Personally, I prefer precise emulation, but I respect other approaches. Haven't I already expressed something like this on emutalk? I certainly have.
 
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mudlord

mudlord

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Why do you think so?

Because you are affiliated with MooglyGuy, which we all know is a "egotistical, arrogant, and even, at times, narcissistic" bastard.

I'm unsure if Moogly thinks exactly as you expressed it (though he may deny other emulation techniques).

I doubt it. Considering his track record, its nigh impossible. Its either all sub cycle accuracy or none at all with that freak. >.> Fucking retard, he is.

As for ContraSF, I merely explained why corn 0.30 didn't normally work in 2k/XP.

Yeah, thats reasonable, nice job with the patch.

Haven't I already expressed something like this on emutalk? I certainly have.

Do you agree with it? As MooglyGuy, most certainly not >.>
 

I.S.T.

New member
Mudlord, why the trolling? :( He didn't say a damn thing about Mooglyguy(Note, I agree with you about him. Frankly, the entire emulation scene would be better off without him), so why bring it up?
 

synch

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Mudlord, I.S.T.: Could you both act a bit more mature? We are not 15 anymore, aren't we? If MooglyGuy is arrogant, it's a personal matter, which can be completely ignored as long as you don't follow him while trolling, just enjoy whatever emulators he produces, and ignore his attitude if that bothers you.

Personally I follow his blog, as I find LLE emulation as interesting as HLE, as both serve different purposes. LLE is all about getting same results as hardware and documenting how it worked, HLE is about getting it to play as fast as possible with the barest approximation to work. Just choose whatever suits your goals better, and don't bother to check what others think, just have fun with it while coding :)
 
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mudlord

mudlord

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Could you both act a bit more mature?

No. Especially when the furfag Moogly is around.

just enjoy whatever emulators he produces

Impossible, since his attitude imbues such a awful taste.

just have fun with it while coding

Thats impossible when you have a fuckhead like MooglyGuy telling you how to do things. Seriously, the nutcase is the cancer that is killing /e/. We certainly don't need dickheads like IT around. That fucktard is one of the reasons why I stopped emucoding in the first place: we don't need to live in a environment where we get stomped on because of how we do things. Same thing with MAME: same bullshit.

Mudlord, why the trolling?

Because I hate MG?
 

I.S.T.

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Mudlord, I.S.T.: Could you both act a bit more mature? We are not 15 anymore, aren't we? If MooglyGuy is arrogant, it's a personal matter, which can be completely ignored as long as you don't follow him while trolling, just enjoy whatever emulators he produces, and ignore his attitude if that bothers you.

Personally I follow his blog, as I find LLE emulation as interesting as HLE, as both serve different purposes. LLE is all about getting same results as hardware and documenting how it worked, HLE is about getting it to play as fast as possible with the barest approximation to work. Just choose whatever suits your goals better, and don't bother to check what others think, just have fun with it while coding :)

I feel his inflammatory nature and complete dismissal of other peoples' opinions does the entire emulation scene more harm than good. That's all there is to it. I only mentioned my opinion on the subject to show mudlord I had/have no bias here. For the most part, I just don't care about him. He doesn't enter my mind. I stay away from MESS and MESS related projects for the most part anyway(I have a personal boycott on MESS for unrelated reasons, but MAME is fine with me, i'm just not a big arcade fan).

mud, all you're doing is stirring stuff up, and making things worse. :( It's just starting arguments with people associated with him. He's not gonna change his mind about MG, and MG doesn't have anything to do with this topic in the first place!
 
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mudlord

mudlord

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mud, all you're doing is stirring stuff up, and making things worse.

Don't worry, its now all localised to one location. No need to bring other people into this: it is now just between MG and I. Like it should be.

and MG doesn't have anything to do with this topic in the first place!

angrylion is a known associate with MG. I have nothing against angrylion personally however :) : its MG thats my nemesis.
 

synch

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Well, it's up to you to get annoyed over other people criticizing your work: I stopped caring quite ago, and I'm way more happy while working on my projects. The only result you get from this is not working on something you like/d.
 

olivieryuyu

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angrylion is a known associate with MG. I have nothing against angrylion personally however :) : its MG thats my nemesis.

Well I respect the work of MG (and I respect all forms of emulation) but i am afraid his personality is a bit "excentric". Now i want to see what he's going to release in Mess or standalone. I hope that the interesting blog he is writing is not just a blog but something that will lead to something concrete ...
 

Toasty

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That fucktard is one of the reasons why I stopped emucoding in the first place...
I don't pretend to know the details of whatever's going on, but this statement makes it sound like he's got an awful lot of power over you. Don't get me wrong; I respect you mudlord, but it's just stupid to let the idiots run our lives.
 
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mudlord

mudlord

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but it's just stupid to let the idiots run our lives.

I guess so.

Now though, this issue is completely sorted personally. We both settled our differences and we both know objectively where our views lie. :) Which is good, since I admit MG's progress is super cool.
 

squall_leonhart

The Great Gunblade Wielder
as long as emulation exists, there will be purists, and there will be performists.

neither is right neither is wrong.

when it comes down to it though, i just want the emulator to fucking work, and to do so at a decent speed.
 

cooliscool

Nintendo Zealot
as long as emulation exists, there will be purists, and there will be performists.

neither is right neither is wrong.

when it comes down to it though, i just want the emulator to fucking work, and to do so at a decent speed.


I totally agree, although decent speed is secondary; a slow, working emulator, still requires hours and hours of work, and shows that the programmer is highly skilled at what he/she does. That deserves much respect no matter how well the emulator performs.
 
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PsyMan

Just Another Wacko ;)
I totally agree, although decent speed is secondary; a slow, working emulator, still requires hours and hours of work, and shows that the programmer is highly skilled at what he/she does. That deserves much respect no matter how well the emulator performs.


Well... the problem is that the "more" accurate ways are sometimes not meant to be fast using specific hardware. Even Project 64 would be considered awfully slow compared to UltraHLE back then (speed would be far from decent on demanding games) and it can't be considered as an accurate emulator (still far more accurate than UltraHLE).

Sometimes there are sacrifices that have to be made in order to reach acceptable speeds ranging from ugly hacks to missing features and such.

It's not just about coding skills. Documentation, extensive testing on various configurations and hardware capabilities all play a major role there.
 

cooliscool

Nintendo Zealot
Well... the problem is that the "more" accurate ways are sometimes not meant to be fast using specific hardware. Even Project 64 would be considered awfully slow compared to UltraHLE back then (speed would be far from decent on demanding games) and it can't be considered as an accurate emulator (still far more accurate than UltraHLE).

Sometimes there are sacrifices that have to be made in order to reach acceptable speeds ranging from ugly hacks to missing features and such.

It's not just about coding skills. Documentation, extensive testing on various configurations and hardware capabilities all play a major role there.

I know the intricacies of emulator development quite well. ;)

I was simply suggesting that programming an emulator requires a certain level of skill that's worthy of appreciation; I never intended to even touch on what you did, in fact, I don't really know why you posted it. :p
 

PsyMan

Just Another Wacko ;)
Well, the reply was covering what squall said too about purism, performance and that last part about the emus "fucking work at decent speeds". You said that speed is secondary and I just wanted to point that speed and "purism" can't co-exist sometimes... but to say the truth I just felt like posting something since I had to post something for months :p
 

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