Interesting debate on existance of god, worth a read

[adi]

I fundamentally disagree that what the bible says is gospel truth

:sytaylor

I agree. I don't know if what I'm about to say accounts as hearsay to some zealots, but I'm a Christian and I can also say the bible is wrong in some instances, maybe because of human error or maybe because of the style of writing used at that time (the book is full of metaphors which some people misenterpret quite frequently).

What I can say however is that Jesus did exist, the prophecies about him are real and scientifically dated and there is evidence that he did walk on this earth. The whole issue of a God existing is one that will simply go on and on, but what I'm trying to point out is that not all people who believe in a religion are idiots that deserve to be looked down on. We all don't blindly follow, its just that the very element of faith is something an outsider to religion finds hard to comprehend and I can accept that.

And RPGlover12, you may make some fair points but quite frankly the nature of your posting and the way you write in
several
word
fragments
means that most of what you say goes unread. I know English may not be your first language, but please try to make your posts more concise and to the point, and not take up so much screen area.

 

[sk8bloke22]

yeh fair enuff. i havent got anything wrong with wateva ppl believe in. im just arguing the existance of god, im not challenging the person themselves. im not even doubting jesus did exist, although u cant instantly prove those miracles. oh one thing though, theajc, back me up here, wasnt jesus supposed to be jewish? u would know best, as u r a christian. anyway, everyone does argue differently, some black extremists, argued that jesus was black - to be honest it makes the man sound as mythical as a ghost...

oh yea
rpgglover, please
stop writing in fragments
still
not as annoying
as when ppl write only in
colour
.
kills the eyes
if u know wat i mean.

 

[RPGlover12]

ok
i
will
do
it

hey there is somethin that u should know , allah knows everything that we are doing
there are 5 stuff that are already setup even before u were born
and these 5 stuff are
marriage,death,born,religion,worship
those are the five
u can't change them whatever u do u can't , and the other are ur free choice like do u do bad or good things and god knows what u're going to do but he still gave u a chance in livin so try to make it a good life by religion , worshippin .
get what i mean

 

[adi]

Hey Rob, Jesus was simply the son of God, so he transcends all religious boundaries eg jew or gentile. However if you insist, he was born into a Jewish family so on an earthly level he was a Jew. And for the colour thing he probably just looked like the people around him, so he probably wasnt black.

 

[sytaylor]

rpg... you frustrate me because you blindly accept these teacheings of "this happened and that happened" and thats final... because its what you believe does not make it right! same for anything i say, capish?

 

[RPGlover12]

did he die a jewish
or not
and he is not the son of allah
if he took a son or a wife
the earth will be destroyed
and its true
he even said that in the quran
ok

 

[RPGlover12]

rpg... you frustrate me because you blindly accept these teacheings of "this happened and that happened" and thats final... because its what you believe does not make it right! same for anything i say, capish?

i was given a chance to believe in anyreligion or dont believe in any religion and i choose to believe and it did work and i did believe in allah and religion and i got convinced after i read it i really liked it and i believed in allah and muhammed
i believed it as a kid goes after a piece of choclate
i really get convinced and i wasn't tought "this happened and that happened"
i dont believe any shit unless i get convinced with it
but i believed islam from the first time i read it
i felt warm when i read it
and i liked it and i got convinced it form the first time
get it

 

[DuDe]

i found out that the bible has been changed

and so does the torah

The Torah wasn`t changed, don`t know where you got that idea from. The collection of books that constructs the Torah is practically the same since the final edit of it (by edit, I mean the books that were decided to be put in the Toprah), and it happened A long time ago, even before the Islam actually existed.

Now, someone here said something about the world being 6000 years old. Well, the Torah doesn`t say that. It is an interpretation made by some priest, a few hundred years ago.

 

[RPGlover12]

well i've researched about the torah
i've found it wasn't much changed as the bible
the torah is a little close to the islam
thats why when muhammed first introduced the islam all of the jews accepted it
they were the most close to islam but they also changed alittle in the torah
and to tell u somethin
Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said
so that why it was the islam who is unchanged
and oleg wanna ask u a question
ofcuorse ur a jew
and did torah sent down to moses or messiah
and if u know arabic
could u please tell me what the name of messiah in arabic
i know that u learn arabic in ur school
so could u please tell me
ok

 

[RPGlover12]

hey guys i've got the bible (gospel) and am going to read it and see the diff between it and islam and am going to get the torah after that and re-read my quran cause i haven't read quran in a very long

and i want to ask u christian guys how do u believe in this bible when i read it i found out its a whole diff between it and quran it was totally changed when i first read it i found out it was handwritten
i can't remember what had i read from the old days
but i read it now so i could remember it and i found out it was a reall changed and i got another one and i also found it was a huge diff and am also amazed how do u guys believe in christianity i found out now how the quran hasn't been changed and i was realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll impressed with the quran when i read it
and am going to read the torah next just finish the bible and the quran

 

[Articuno_Master]

I am catholic and i only believe in one god that is God himself
And the lord Jesus, who suffered and died for us i truley believe
he exists upon witnessing unbelievable miricles.
People have different belief's and that is fine everyone is different if you want to believe in god so be it.
If you dont then dont. Its as simple as that.

 

[RPGlover12]

jesus didn't die
he is in heaven
and will come to kill the anti christ
it will happen soon
cause all the minor signs of the judgement day are almost complete
and the major signs will come soon cause they will come after the minor signs
so jesus will come back to earth to kill the antichrist and he will become muslim
and will break the cross
and die after that so he is not died he is still alive in the heaven waiting for the day that comes to kill the antichrist and make the christians believe
get it

 

[sk8bloke22]

yeh torah is long too, i aint reading all that bullshit. its fairy stories if u ask me. i prefer the islam idea that jesus was more of a prohpet, and ur right, in islam moses = prohpet. my apologies. anyway, nuff said, im still even more in belief that there is no god. i aint an expert aethiest or nuting, but ill try and dig some more shit. i thought the quote from that forum on p12 (this is the longest thread, plz dont close it) was quite good. also, i doubt if martin has even bothered reading this far, but if u hav, how come if theres more than 4 pages it doesnt show on the index, and u hav to click on 'last page' instead. its a bit annoying if u wanna directly go to say page 7 out of 10 pages, u hav to go to the last page, then click on page 7.

 

[Slougi]

yeh torah is long too, i aint reading all that bullshit. its fairy stories if u ask me. i prefer the islam idea that jesus was more of a prohpet, and ur right, in islam moses = prohpet. my apologies. anyway, nuff said, im still even more in belief that there is no god. i aint an expert aethiest or nuting, but ill try and dig some more shit. i thought the quote from that forum on p12 (this is the longest thread, plz dont close it) was quite good. also, i doubt if martin has even bothered reading this far, but if u hav, how come if theres more than 4 pages it doesnt show on the index, and u hav to click on 'last page' instead. its a bit annoying if u wanna directly go to say page 7 out of 10 pages, u hav to go to the last page, then click on page 7.

Rob look at the url of the thread:
http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=995&perpage=15&pagenumber=13
See the pagenumber thing? Edit that to say 7, i.e.:
http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=995&perpage=15&pagenumber=7
and there you go

 

[sk8bloke22]

hehe.

 

[Reznor007]

jesus didn't die
he is in heaven
and will come to kill the anti christ
it will happen soon
cause all the minor signs of the judgement day are almost complete
and the major signs will come soon cause they will come after the minor signs
so jesus will come back to earth to kill the antichrist and he will become muslim
and will break the cross
and die after that so he is not died he is still alive in the heaven waiting for the day that comes to kill the antichrist and make the christians believe
get it

Just where did you read that? Please tell me so I can prove that whereever you read that, it is false.

 

[RPGlover12]

well its written in the quran m8
try to read it and u'll see and thnx sk8bloke for readin the quran and try to read all of it and u'll get impressed by it , its a reall good religion and try to be in it ok

 

[Reznor007]

well its written in the quran m8
try to read it and u'll see and thnx sk8bloke for readin the quran and try to read all of it and u'll get impressed by it , its a reall good religion and try to be in it ok

Well, since the cross was not used by early christians, I find that VERY hard to believe.

Read this for more info http://www.nobeliefs.com/facts.htm#anchor237925

 

[RPGlover12]

see
didn't i tell u this
and jesus didn't die
and the one who died was the treator who told the guys who wanted to kill jesus and allah made that treator look like jesus for them and thats why he didn't die
get it

 

[RPGlover12]

ok here is it what u want christian guys
jesus is not a god nor the son of god and here is the proof
God is not Jesus, and Jesus is not God.2 Even Jesus himself rejected this. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers,3 there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72)

God is not a trinity. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they disbelieve who say, “God is the third of three (in a trinity),” when there is no god but one God. If they desist not from what they say, truly, a painful punishment will befall the disbelievers among them. Would they not rather repent to God and ask His forgiveness? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a messenger... (Quran, 5:73-75)

get it guys