Interesting debate on existance of god, worth a read 2

[sytaylor]

nice story rpg....


PROOVE ANY OF THAT!!!!!!! i dont want more writings for "proofs" already... youve prooven over and over again that all youre going to do is quote things for passages and tell me "you want proofs ok ill tell you allah said"... you do not KNOW allah said anything, all you have is your book and your faith, neither of which will convince me

 

[RPGlover12]

will there r many proofs who created us if u answered this question i will say that am a non believer how could there be no creator for this universe and for heavens and hell and how can u really say that ur mother and father r u real mother and father and if there is proofs nobody saw them or anything just in the past and he is died right now ur askin me the same question ??? give me a proof cause its written cause they said so ??? the same thing u r askin me ur tellin me that there si no god just because u didn't live at the year of muhammed and adam etc..... thats it ??? u r really weired and explain my first question allah was first alone with no body else except him and he told us not to think of how he came cause u will go to nowhere u wont find that answer u just know that he is there . we were created just to know him nothin else and u wont see him because he is the light givin u an example like can u stare at the sun ??? ofcourse not how about ur just one step away from and stare at it u wont thats the same for allah am just givin u a small example but how about the creator of everything am gonna say like 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 suns geneareated to make the smallest part of his light see and the first thing he created was his sittin place (dunno what its name in english sorry ) and the second thing he created was the pencil third was the angels etc... the last of his creation was eve cause he created her for adam and then they came down to earth if they just didn't eat of the tree we wouldn't get down to earth all of us will be in heaven i know i got a little far in the story but anyway just answer my question any non believer its not logic that we came without a creator how could be that its not logic at all who created adam who created jinns ??? see its not logic like jinns where created before us and they talked to angels etc.. so that why most of the jinns are believers cause they talk to angels and angels talk to god is that why they are believers ??? ur weired .

 

[sytaylor]

so if we know nothing how do you know all this? the idea that "we never truley know anything" is flawed... what im saying is im as human as you and your as human as me... we know who are parents are because they raised us... the only reason we know about god is because everyone else rambles on about him/her/it so much as what makes life good, there is no actual proof besides what humans have interpitted from what we see around us and what we experience.

how could there be no creator? how could there be a creator? its the same question, just because one seems more logical to your earthly human status why do you assume it must be?

The whole point im trying to make to you is I CANT GIVE YOU ANY PROOF what exists is very very vague at this point in time. So, why should i believe in god when for me the proof just plain isnt there? i choose to say "i dont know, do you understand that?

 

[RPGlover12]

will because u dont live in the past that doens't mean that can't be proven like muhammed he talked to god and nearly saw (nobdy knows if he saw him or not ) but that doesn't give u proof right cause its in the past like ur saying that my mom and dad rn't my real mom and dad get my point of view u tell me that my creator isn't my real creator and there is no creator for adam ??? ofcourse there is a creator just because we didn't live at their times will thats isn't the proof atall u just dont get it u dont believe in past atall like if i told u that i draw mona lisa will u believe me just because there is witness what happened if i did really draw it and i didn't have any witness or evidence but there was one and nobody reacted with it is not my fault but i did do it get it ur askin me the same question like there is some proofs in the time of muhammed that happens now so how could he knew that ??? like givin u an example he said killlin will increase more than ever ? , wine will be popular ?? , men will look like women and women will look like men ??? the jewish name will be very high ???? the nile of forat(in iraq) they will try to make something in it(dont remember excatly) but it will get out gold like hell like no ever and all the people will try to take it everyone will try it will he will be killed they will fight over it (this didn't happen but they tried to do what they wanted to do so this sign is showin) ) ????? if anybody passes by the graves he will say i wish that i was in ur place ?????? get it how can he knew that answer my question please and dont change the subject

 

[sytaylor]

those are all very vague, and by vague i mean easy to say things... like when you go to a fortune teller, tehy say things like "you will meet a stranger", doesnt mean anything, but it will probably happen... im not saying i don't believe it BECAUSE its in the past, im saying i dont believe it because there is no actual proof... ur mom and dad are real because you are alive...

read what you put "you tell me my creator isnt my real creator", im NOT saying that... im saying i dont think there is a creator, and... IF there is, chances are we as humans know nothing of them. How could something like adam and eve be documented (written down)? in a time when there was no writing? Dont you think that these stories could easily have been made up by humans to try and explain things?

There is no evidence of devine intervention at any point, unfortunatley we have a slight language barrier, so im not sure what im saying gets though fully... but in a nutshell... i ask you why you believe something there is no proof of, and you accept it as truth and think that because you have been told not to question it, questioning it is bad?

 

[RPGlover12]

a story like adam and eve is true cause it is true cause allah created and he also created the quran so its true cause when he created adam the story happened ok and in the time of muhammed and moses and jesus allah gave them their books and told them the story of it so its true and does it really could be 105 signs all of them almost shown its not a fortune teller its impossible to be forten teller a fortune teller can say 1 thing true and all of the others wrong so how could he know what will happen right now of course its not a fortune telller fortune teller is different from other fortune teller there is some one who could use magic to but still not as right as the prophet said it will never be . if there isn't god really i wont be a muslim nobody will be in any religion u know why cause nobody will believe in god cause they wanted signs for his existence so allah showed them by the power of his prophets like muhammed division then the unite of it cause u dont believe in past thats why u wont believe it

 

[hellknight]

you and your loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong story *ugh*

 

[sytaylor]

a story like adam and eve is true cause it is true cause allah created

damnit! you dont ever listen to me! i present to you the idea that ALLAH IS MADE UP BY HUMANS, its reasonable to say so... religion has been created by every civilisation in some way since cave men! What makes the fact that there are religions mean there is a god? Its like saying because there are cars there has to be a car god:blush:

 

[sytaylor]

by a creationalist view... if god "created" the universe then something *must* have created god since there is no other explanation, we're simply accepting there is a god after all... which means the god who created god must have a god, my my what a paradox

 

[2fast4u]

by a creationalist view... if god "created" the universe then something *must* have created god since there is no other explanation, we're simply accepting there is a god after all... which means the god who created god must have a god, my my what a paradox

not exactly. creationalists must asume that god was there before because thinking about how god was created would be evolutionary thinking. and as far as i know theres no further thinking beyond that he/she/it/? was there before.

oh whatever, to hell with creationalist theory ...

 

[2fast4u]

Its like saying because there are cars there has to be a car god:blush:

lol after all there are girls ... :blush:
i agree that religion was made up by civilizations thru history. there were enuff dictators in history (da pope himself) who used religion and modified it so they could control ppl. example: the roman catholic church *voted* jesus "godly"...

 

[RPGlover12]

by a creationalist view... if god "created" the universe then something *must* have created god since there is no other explanation, we're simply accepting there is a god after all... which means the god who created god must have a god, my my what a paradox

ok u want an answer how did god came will there will never be an answer for that in the world cause here is what i want u to understand
could u put the small circle in the big circle ??? the answer is yes right but can u put the big one in the small one ??? ofcourse no thats how we can't think of how the god came and we will never know that cause however we've searched we will never be able to find it ??? get it and i want to ask u something have u ever thought about how did this world came ??? u see u will never get it unless something bigger and more powerfull than us created us we were created to know allah thats our progress in our life and also work etc..... get it we were never created for anything else we were just created to worshipp god he created us and i wanna ask u a hard question ofcourse we know that we r created from mud then how dont we melt when get in cold water or hot waterand how we have our skin if our main is from soil ??? think about it it could never be easy to create something like that ???

 

[Gent]

1st: @ RPGlover12, for starting this Obsessive Thread :lookaway:

2nd: & lol, I just have Quote this One.

well if u get ur ear near a baby when he takes his first breath u will hear him say allah

I think the sound you hear, is more like a Bloody great AHHH in a very loud Baby like scream,
as the Doctor hits the poor little sod on arse

3rd: There is no way you're going to tell me that Noah's Ark has been found,
especially not by Kenny Rogers Below

 

[sytaylor]

get it and i want to ask u something have u ever thought about how did this world came ??? u see u will never get it unless something bigger and more powerfull than us created us we were created to know allah thats our progress in our life and also work etc.....

have i ever thought of how this world came into being? yeah... theres endless possibilities, none of which rely on me worshipping something i cant proove

 

[2fast4u]

have i ever thought of how this world came into being? yeah... theres endless possibilities, none of which rely on me worshipping something i cant proove

religion relies on keeping all these possiblities in dark coz it would question its authority and whole view of the world.

 

[Reznor007]

ofcourse we know that we r created from mud then how dont we melt when get in cold water or hot waterand how we have our skin if our main is from soil

Umm...I didn't know I was made of mud. And if you stay in water for a LONG time, you will start to "melt"

 

[RPGlover12]

ask any expert about it

 

[Josep]

yo rpglover, hehe, long time no chat, go to my thread, kinda interesting

 

[RPGlover12]

yo rpglover, hehe, long time no chat, go to my thread, kinda interesting

yeah already went there and posted read my post

 

[Reznor007]

ask any expert about it

No, we are made of living tissue, not mud. And we are about 70% water.