AlphaWolf said:
I got a better idea, since the liberal hippies out there think every single tom dick and harry on this planet is so good natured, they should go out there and tell them to stop fighting simply because jesus loves them, and give every one of em a hug and a kiss. Nobody is stopping them from doing this. I am sure it will work just fine. Saddams heart will grow 3 sizes this year, and he won't want to blow up any more people.
AlphaWolf said:To me its simply a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing.
You back somebody up, you do em a favor by getting rid of some asshole dictator, or protecting a bunch of whiny bitches who are too afraid to fend for themselves. Then you catch backlash, everybody else says that you only have economical interests (which I don't see whats wrong with that anyways, we do you a favor, do us a favor), and then we end up pissing somebody off (al quieda).
You don't back them up, then all of a sudden everybody gets pissed because you have all this military technology blah blah you can easily help blah blah but you are too selfish.
No matter which way you go, your fucked. I say we just pick the non involvement option because even though we are fucked, we didn't have to spend any money to deploy troops.
The UN is useless now, its been useless ever since the cold war ended. Now its nothing but a burden on the US part, because everybody else wants it, but they'll be damned if they actualy give anything worth a shit to support it.
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What is happening now in Afganistan should be a salutary lesson to this planning military action against Iraq. Toppling regimes is easy compared to to the long and expensive business of rebuilding them and when you destroy in the name of democracy there is a duty to rebuild. The international community should be hanging its head in shame that opium production is now 1,400 per cent higher than before the war. Drugs barons and warlords have a grip on the country.
This should be paticularly humiliating to Tony Blair who used opium production as a key justification for the war there. The trade funded Al Qaeda and the Taliban and the overwhelming majority of heoin sold on the streets of Britain is from Afganistan. In April Blair agree Britain would take the international lead in helping the Afghans stop the industry.
The international community - especially those countries that were involved in bombing the country - must give it more aid. Afganistan needs a new industrial infrastructure. Its poor farmers need more cash to lessen the financial temptation to grow opium and the drugs police who work in appalling conditions must be given the resources
yogaman said:nah I don't think WW3 is going to start rollin' if the US attacks....
vampireuk said:AlphaWolf said:To me its simply a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing.
You back somebody up, you do em a favor by getting rid of some asshole dictator, or protecting a bunch of whiny bitches who are too afraid to fend for themselves. Then you catch backlash, everybody else says that you only have economical interests (which I don't see whats wrong with that anyways, we do you a favor, do us a favor), and then we end up pissing somebody off (al quieda).
You don't back them up, then all of a sudden everybody gets pissed because you have all this military technology blah blah you can easily help blah blah but you are too selfish.
No matter which way you go, your fucked. I say we just pick the non involvement option because even though we are fucked, we didn't have to spend any money to deploy troops.
The UN is useless now, its been useless ever since the cold war ended. Now its nothing but a burden on the US part, because everybody else wants it, but they'll be damned if they actualy give anything worth a shit to support it.
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Or perhaps its because they jump into conflicts and give one side weapons and training, which annoys the hell out of the other side. Then when the conflict is over America fucks off and everyone ends up pissed off at them.
A nice article about Afganistan that I read yesterday...
What is happening now in Afganistan should be a salutary lesson to this planning military action against Iraq. Toppling regimes is easy compared to to the long and expensive business of rebuilding them and when you destroy in the name of democracy there is a duty to rebuild. The international community should be hanging its head in shame that opium production is now 1,400 per cent higher than before the war. Drugs barons and warlords have a grip on the country.
This should be paticularly humiliating to Tony Blair who used opium production as a key justification for the war there. The trade funded Al Qaeda and the Taliban and the overwhelming majority of heoin sold on the streets of Britain is from Afganistan. In April Blair agree Britain would take the international lead in helping the Afghans stop the industry.
The international community - especially those countries that were involved in bombing the country - must give it more aid. Afganistan needs a new industrial infrastructure. Its poor farmers need more cash to lessen the financial temptation to grow opium and the drugs police who work in appalling conditions must be given the resources
If the UN is worth shit then why is Bush going on about how Iraq have broken UN mandate? Even though he himself is supporting a country and giving weapons to a country that is in defiance of UN mandate with its occupation.
Or when they go on about Regime change for the benefit of the people there, ok China and North Korea have exactly the same thing going on so why not invade them for a regime change. Its so damn hippocritical that they are using certain reasons to invade one country, but another country he wont invade even though its the bloody same:sleepy:
Another one of the facts they are using against saddam to boost public opinion is the fact he has used chemical weapons on his own people and on Iranians. Well funny how 14 years ago when Saddam was on the side of the west they did nothing about it, they just remained quiet with no objections. Now 14 years later hippocritically again they are using that reason against him now because they dont like him.
So to say this is a moral crusade is completely fucked up
fivefeet8 said:Maybe if Saddam were to give full permission for Weapons inspectors from the UN to have access to every place in Iraqi soil.. Let them go into anyone's houses, garages, bedrooms, bathrooms.. everthing.. Then maybe we'll all live.. But, like that's ever gonna happen..