hmm....i didn't think this many poeple would reply, lol. thanks. The reason I can't get a GREAT card is because my pc doesn't have an AGP slot (which sucks). I'm trying to use this card as a temp. card until I can get a better pc. This is the ONLY card available to me right now because I live in a valley type area and the nearest city with an Office Max or CompUSA is more than 40 miles away. I go into town a lot, but my family's much too busy to make stops for me, lol. What I meant about the detail all the way up was that the crowd isn't visible without the area turned up (the arena is the thing that slows the game down the most). If I have the overall texture detail on low, the character detail of medium, and the arena detail on high, THEN do you think it'll be playable? Sorry about all these stupid questions, but I want to squeeze out some good GFX outta my card. Thanks again guys.