How Cigarettes are both evil and bad for you:)

[bjl667]

I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now he's using freakin chewing tobacco even worse on the effects it has on your mouth etc... Thats just my two cents.

 

[Josep]

life is to short
SMOKE UP!!!
here, let me light that for you :devil:

life is short, might at as well fuck it up as best as you can? and look like a hopeless idiot addicted to cigs...

your making you self sound like another commoner, blowing needless money on cigs and contributing to the vicious loop that the cig company will get you into, wow, there is a big story behind it, and with remarks like that you obviously don't have a clue as to what cig's really do, not just to your health.

 

[B*A*G*G]

hehe, i dont even smoke.
in fact i think its kinda sad that people acully waste their hard earnd cash on a pack of smokes when they could be spending it more wisely and buy some of that fresh home grown thats been going around :innocent: )

and trust me, there is nother better than toking a nice green doobie after a freakin hard ass day of work.
screw cigarettes they just give you a headrush followd by a feining crackhead addiction, kinda sucks for cigarette smokers when they end up spending like $4.50 on a pack of camels evey day, sometimes twice-a-day when there really spun out. and they only do it cause they're addicted fucks. :colgate:

well my advice to most people is:
If it aint natural
dont smoke it :sly: !
only smoke what god intended us to smoke..... big fat doobies!
hehe... rhymes with boobies :innocent:

 

[iq_132]

no kidding...
anyway...
A carton of cigarettes is $65.31 in michigan.
Now.. how long does it take to smoke a carton? a week?
Multiply that by 52 weeks in a year, you get $3396.12
that's £5301 UK, $2142.14 Canadian, or 3354.35 Euros. (According to the currency exchange rates of 10/14/02.)

 

[Ryoga]

...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you?

 

[iq_132]

...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you?

or....
You could just kill yourself now, and donate your life savings to a health care organization to help children.

 

[AlphaWolf]

So long as somebody doesn't smoke around me, I don't give a damn. But I think it actualy ends up costing the states more money in health care for smokers than what they are actualy paying in taxes. Again, I think they should just fix that by making smokers ineligible for state funded health care relating to their respiratory organs, and tobacco chewers ineligible for state funded cancer treatment.

Other than that though, I agree with B*A*G*G, smoke away if it makes you happy.

 

[sytaylor]

I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now

im in the same position... im quite phisically fit, but my lungs just aren't what they should be, and i blame my parents for forcing their smoke on me... for the public forcing their addiction on me... that is simply not fair

you can't argue against choice in either respect... but the dividing line falls at non smoking harms nobody, smoking harms everybody, therefore surley smokers should compromise where they smoke, that alone solves the problem... in the home its more difficult, but at least in a house everyone usually has a bedroom or something to go.

 

[Josep]

I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now

im in the same position... im quite phisically fit, but my lungs just aren't what they should be, and i blame my parents for forcing their smoke on me... for the public forcing their addiction on me... that is simply not fair

you can't argue against choice in either respect... but the dividing line falls at non smoking harms nobody, smoking harms everybody, therefore surley smokers should compromise where they smoke, that alone solves the problem... in the home its more difficult, but at least in a house everyone usually has a bedroom or something to go.

you dork if your lungs aren't all what they should be then your not in shape! hehe, BUT seriously...

 

[Josep]

...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you?

VERY convincing story,

/me applauds

using the 'ol card stacking trick anti-smoking nazis? jeez, thats just disgusting, and SMoking being an opinion? wow, thats just disgusting, it kills hundreds if not thousands of people a year, and your telling me how bad it is to ban it.

Facts are facts, ok, i'm an anti-terrorist nazi, I'm against terrorism, but wait your entitled to your own opinion, right? Ok, sure the fact is terrorism kills thousands of people a year, even excluding what happend to the US, does that make it right-HELL no! its not a god damn opinion, its freak'n mass murder on a world-wide scale, and guess what? same with freak'n smoking!

Fast Foods and Cigs?! yes of course these things are for the government, why?! it rakes in money, MONEY, Why is most of America still on diesel powered cars and 'good' old gasoline, MONEY, the government rapes a shit load of money off of us getting terrible gas controlled cars. Again, fast foods and cigs, addiction, hopeless addiction, America and any other organization could give a shit about your health with those products, cause they know all the short term affects, which is near to nothing. Long term affects with Cigs, no shit, you die an agonizing early death, and fast foods you lead an unhealthy diet with a large beer belly, high blood pressure and what not.

You don't want children to needlessly die do you?

i get what you mean, and its a great point, for arguing sake, but are you serious? thats just disgusting,

OK lets keep cigs, because you know why? my whole family works at a cig. company, and if they close them all down, where will my whole family work? You know what i say to that? TOUGH FUCKING SHIT, get another job and stop producing that addictive cancer stick.