sheik124 said:
5200, i think the 9200 is a waste of money, be sure that your 5200 has at least 128 MB of memory, it'll help a slow card like that. Only reason of its bad reputation is due to the fact that it chokes on the features nVidia uses to market it, mainly DX9 Shaders, but if you set the AA to 2 rather than 8 or some ohter pointless setting TAGRINETH, then it won't be THAT slow, stop dissing the low end cards and go romp on the 5800, it rightfully suxx0red.
Fuck you. I was comparing 2x AA on both the Kyro II and the FX5200 - incidentally YOU JUST SAID I SHOULD HAVE IT ON 2X.
I'm not fucking dumb enough to set hellishly high AA settings on a piece of utter shit like a 5200. Especially not 8x which mixes bandwidth-AND-fillrate abusing supersampling.
Clements said:
So what card do you actually recommend? Do you have anything constructive to say other than slating the 5200 constantly everytime it's mentioned?
If you actually read the Anandtech article regarding benches of Dolphin, then you would know that the processor made the most difference, not the GPU (There was a 0.1 fps difference between the 9600XT and 9800 Pro). A 5200 would at least support DX9 unlike the 9200, so you would get artifacts all over the place. We also all know that only nVidia cards can currently handle the very high internal X/Y resolutions of Pete's OpenGL2 plugin, and lo and behold, the FX 5200 fully supports OpenGL 2.0 as of the 60.72 detonators.
And don't even compare the card to the Kyro II. The Kyro II is inferior to a GeForce 2 Pro and has no shader support at all, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned that being a 'GPU Expert'. The FX 5200 is actually faster than a 9600 SE on average. The IQ on a Kyro II would be horrendous due to it's crappy 2x2OGSS compared to the much better 4xOGMS that a 5200 offers. You clearly must have been seeing things or your fanboyism got in the way of clear judgement. The facts are out there. The 5200 is definitely superior to that discontinued piece of crap.
I may be no GPU expert, but I read articles and look at benchmarks and know the prices of the relevant cards. The 5200 is a good entry level card that'll be compatible with everything he needs. It's also fairly cheap and accessible where he lives. Not everybody lives in the USA where everything is dirt cheap and a 9800 Pro is pocket change. It's bloody expensive even here and many people can't afford over £100 just for a graphics card. Think real world not ideal world. RCGamer is happy with it, so I can't see why Pokemoner wouldn't be happy with it.
I'd rather recommend either a GeForce4Ti4200, or Radeon 9600SE. Or AT LEAST a GeForceFX 5600.
I said the naivete came from believing Dolphin would NEVER be shader intensive, not that it is now. Re-read what I said. The TEV isn't emulated yet, mostly due to lack of accurate knowledge on just how it works. Once it is... you fucking mark my words, sir. It WILL take some power.
I made the comparison to Kyro II
specifically to show a huge weakness in the 5200. I'm
really fucking aware that the Kyro II isn't exactly a "feature rich" card. It satisfies DX7's feature set, albeit with software T&L only, but no more than that. Do I care about feature set in Serious Sam, though? Not really. See, the thing is, Serious Sam: The Second Encounter
is an older, DX7 reliant title. It contains
no shader code of any kind. Therefore a Kyro II is a totally valid comparison - especially considering THE KYRO II WOUND UP BEING BETTER OFF. It's fucking SAD.
And finally, I have no disposable income of any kind. I had to give up on quite a lot of extra spending (I have a very limited budget) to get my Radeon 9500 Pro - to REPLACE my outdated Kyro II, because I was sick of it being too slow most of the time and not supporting hardware T&L (my poor miserable CPU) and shaders.
h34r: & I keep in my mind I cant afford a better card..so I'll never regret..at least its better than my old Geforce 4 mx440..
