boycott intel?

[blizz]

it was organised.. but in tiny fractions.. affiliated in some ways in some countries.. but not as worldwide as this has become.. not even close to what this is..

it's hell of whole lot bigger now.. and you know it.. it's not just tapes.. it's music.. movies.. programs.. anything you can put into a harddrive.. all type of software.. ranging from incredibly expensive software.. to even semi free stuff as postcard-software.. and just released movies -can- be found if you have the right connections.. so well.. any way you see it.. it's gotten a whole lot worse than it's been b4.. now you have groups of ppl trying to find better ways to store music files in smaller sizes.. DVD-movies in much smaller space/quality.. games.. apps.. etc etc..

why do you think you see more games with better quality on a console?.. coz the piracy is harder to pull off.. a big example.. n64.. i feel sorry for this poor machine.. uhle was abit too fast.. abit too soon.. abit too much.. i sure as hell loved playing it though.. but still.. if you think about it.. it's things like these that kill a console.. wich is why generally.. authors with a good emulator for a console like the GC.. won't be releasing untill the machine has shined enugh to get a big head start from the emulator.. it's the same thing if you think about it.. release emulator today.. the machine dies.. why?.. money.. everyone downloads.. nobody buys.. it's reality.. everyone's trying to get a good deal.. unless your ekonomically independent.. and yeah..the tapes thing was the same.. and yeah it moved a whole bunch of money too.. but this has become more than that.. and if the companies wich we are doing this too find a way to fight back.. or at least stop us from doing this.. do you really think it's wrong?.. if you look at it unbiased.. you would think.. -right on.. good for you-.. you found a solution for your problem.. unless you somehow for some odd reason believe it to be justified for you to for all eternity get everything that ppl want to get paid for.. for free..

that all could be done before the internet the internet just increases acceibility in theory, but warez groups are just as cagey if not moreso now about new members, I can assure you tape piracy was sophisticated (why have holograms on the tape labels to prove legitimate copies?), emulators are another argument especially now since the major console market is also the major market where piracy will take place,

piracy, was, still is and will continue to be a problem but as long as companies take sensible steps to control it (like why hasn't Microsoft implemented fake serial checks into service packs before now?) then it will be ok, drastic measures are foolish in the long run though as they will inevitably get blown out of proportion in the media and thus will get denatured, in an effort to save face, into semi ineffective versions of what they could have been, serial checking is smart Palladium isn't, besides with software piracy you microsoft contains the piracy to a community that is relatively easily trackable over the net, as they will shortly find with the X-Box though, chipped machines are a whole different board game, since companies in china et al make a fortune producing these chips and China doesn't have a love for microsoft or those from most foreign countries

 

[AlphaWolf]

Warez has been occuring since the dawn of computing on the same scale that it does today. Some of the bigger warez groups have been in operation since the 70s, distributing software over BBS networks.

Warez distribution has merely grown in ratio with the number of computer users. Now since everybody and their mothers dog are using computers these days, everybody knows about it.

 

[RatTrap]

Alpha.. your problem has a big problem..

an OS is a program.. it is made to do what the author intended it to do.. your privacy is being screwed if you see it the way you see it as soon as you boot up..

what your saying about your privacy and rights is like.. "i installed 3dstudio max 5.. and it won't work because i have the wrong serial.. i will sue this company.. because they don't let me do what i wanna do with my system&data".. completly wack.. don't you agree? ..

and about the palladin system.. you should have followed this thing from the beginning.. it's kind of hard to figure out what it is now.. with so many ppl spreading rumors (like boycotting intel when amd has been in on it too all along).. and so many biased opinions all over the net ..

i shall try and explain.. the idea is:

ISP 1.. runs palladin..
ISP 2.. no palladin..

your computer.. has palladin on.. it is able to connect to ISP 1.. but not to ISP 2..

you turn off palladin.. and then.. your able to connect to ISP 2.. but not to ISP 1.. it's that simple..

your computer will be able to run both things.. just not at the same time.. and what this will do.. is make the palladin internet a diferent type of market.. instead of black.. it'll be white..

palladin was never DESIGNED to fully directly stop piracy.. that's where you have it wrong.. it's meant to divide the huge grey zone.. and show ppl that an internet with no piracy (the white zone).. will cause big/medium/small companies putting money into it.. wich will drive the whole thing forward..

then you will have the other side of the internet.. wich will be the black zone.. in the black zone.. you won't be able to do as much anymore anyways.. because it's not a "grey" zone anymore.. it'll be illegal.. get it?.. they are splitting the bad from the good.. and so it's easier to catch the bad.. that's how it works.. so palladin will not directly stop piracy.. but will indirectly stop it by making the inhabitants of the black internet be easier to categorize.. and punish..

 

[RatTrap]

blizz.. your taking what i've been trying to explain to ppl in here into a diferent convo all together..

accesability is what it's ALL about..

for one.. i've been in a warez and in a demo group back in the late 80's .. i still remember how i used to play them old zelda 1 type ascci games when i logd on to our school BBS that me and my friends put up.. i do know how warez groups have changed though.. but today it don't matter..

let's say i make a really nice proggy that everyone want's.. i work as a programmer.. i run my own company.. and i have to make a living..

ex1: back in the late 80's.. the group would just release my new hacked program(hack or copied.. not everything had a serial).. put it up on a BBS and it would spread.. in about 2 weeks.. it would be all over the world.. sometimes it could take a month.. sometimes longer.. also.. not everyone with a computer had a modem.. and not everyone that had a modem had access to the elite servers that had the program and or the knoledge to actually figure out how to download something from a BBS.. or maybe they had nothing to upload.. and back then usually you had to upload something b4 downloading..

ex2: it's the year 2002.. one warez group today releases that program of mine.. hacked.. they put it up on a IRC fileserver.. or an FTP.. 2 ppl download it.. they have a p2p running.. as soon as it's downloaded.. it's available to virtually everyone in the world.. and since it's SO easy.. it requires nothing from you.. even your granny can download it..

2.. i never said tape piracy wasn't sofisticated.. but.. it never was as accesible to everyone as todays piracy market(the internet) is.. and so big.. everyone did it.. yes.. and alot of ppl sold copies all over the place.. but it was just that.. tapes..

see it's like this.. if the only piracy going on in the internet was mp3s.. it would still be worse then the tapes.. why?.. cause today you can easally just download the music from your own home.. and you would'nt have to buy it or buy a tape or ask your friend or anything.. just click click click.. download.. think about it.. even a morron can pull it off.. and since you have the power of the whole internet in front of you.. you could virtually find every song that everyone has made into mp3 in the whole history of the internet.. this is a diferent convo all together.. but i guess i had to explain that ..

the rest.. about emulation.. that is explaind on my previous post.. like i said.. an emuauthor with a GC emulator won't be releasing it any time soon.. but the isos might be.. and then it will become as sad as PC games.. whomever loses first to piracy is gonna bleed hard.. and we'll all be able to see how much..

ok.. then we have.. oh yeah.. serial checks..
do you know WHY they haven't added serial checking into service packs b4?.. this was a test.. they where gonna put one into the SP3 for visual studio aswell (i have the pro version.. and yes i bought it).. but they felt that it was a lost cause.. coz i mean.. comon.. put a serial check on a service pack for coders(potential hacker/crackrs?).. you've seen what good the serial thing on the new XP service pack does.. it's been hacked for a while now.. not by just warez groups.. but by home coders too..

but this isn't the thing they pland with it.. the thing is.. that now they can see how many do have it hacked.. because next time you send the info from your system to windowsupdate.. it will see that your serial is one of the ones they took away in the SP.. and so they can count you as a guy who didn't buy windows xp.. wich is a good thing for them.. they didn't release it for the users.. they put it in a pack just to get numbers.. it's called market strategy .. they get all the figures.. put them all together.. estimate how it would go with the palladin system.. and voila.. they have a sensible forecast of the internet market for next year using the palladin system..



Alpha again..
you don't need to tell me these things.. i know..

and that's just what i've been saying..
only you forget about how accessible things are now.. how way much easier it is..

another tiny thing..

i asked ppl if they knew about the dot.com crash.. and about how IT-companies are doing latelly..
this is a drastic measure.. this isn't paying off.. this is forced upon.. by ourselfs for ourselfs.. if there's anyone to blame it's us.. not the companies who are making these things.. because it's gonne overboard.. it's like when your a kid.. and have candies.. and you give them away to your friend.. then suddenly one of his friends want's one.. and then another.. and then suddenly your whole school jumps you.. and your left with 1 candy .. you eat that last candy and go bankrupt :/.. just like most small IT-busynesses are going.. and even some bigg ones..

 

[AlphaWolf]

an OS is a program.. it is made to do what the author intended it to do.. your privacy is being screwed if you see it the way you see it as soon as you boot up..

what your saying about your privacy and rights is like.. "i installed 3dstudio max 5.. and it won't work because i have the wrong serial.. i will sue this company.. because they don't let me do what i wanna do with my system&data".. completly wack.. don't you agree? ..

Not realy, I look at the OS more like a platform. I believe for any platform to be a good (fully useful AND usable) platform, it must be open (PC hardware long prevails in the market over mac, hence why I would like to see linux become the standard for desktops -- it can, I don't care what anybody says, and it could very well be far better than windows ever was in every aspect. Saying otherwise would be like living in the 80s saying "How would an open hardware platform standard ever survive in the marketplace?" yet here we are today. Linux will follow a very similar path.). Bill can use palladium to make people buy windows, thats fine, but he can't prevent people from using linux.

And what your saying about 3DSMax, thats not what I am talking about -- I can buy 3dsmax fully legit, but discrete software has no right to control any of the content I create with it.


Also, btw, AMD has begun work on palladium, but they haven't officialy jumped on the bandwagon yet, where intel has.

And trust me, I honestly don't give a damn about palladiums anti-piracy features, they are far more breakable than what I proposed.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Well, no matter the case, I myself will not touch anything that has "DRM" or "Palladium" on it with a 10 foot pole, and I will actively advise against it to anybody else. Letting any company or group of companies have that kind of control of an open platform will not benefit anybody.

"The best warfare strategy is to attack the enemy's plans, next is to attack alliances, next is to attack the army, and the worst is to attack a walled city."

-- Sun-Tzu

 

[Stezo2k]

Well, no matter the case, I myself will not touch anything that has "DRM" or "Palladium" on it with a 10 foot pole, and I will actively advise against it to anybody else. Letting any company or group of companies have that kind of control of an open platform will not benefit anybody.

"The best warfare strategy is to attack the enemy's plans, next is to attack alliances, next is to attack the army, and the worst is to attack a walled city."

-- Sun-Tzu

me neiva theres enough spyware/crapware round the internet at the moment without another OS that doesnt let you do what most ppl round here do (download roms they have, download mp3s) Think ill stay with windows XP til a better OS comes out without crapware in it

Stez

 

[sytaylor]

the freeware community will never be shutdown, if microsoft create this internet split theyre shooting themselves in the foot... al the genuine good freeware coders/software makers out there would either jump to another o/s or stick with xp. The sheer volume of people doing this alone would mean that this "black" side of the internet would probably be more attractive in that the software you can download would be superior (see: winamp vs wmp).

its a fact you can't kill the spirit of the freeware world, if microsoft et al would grow up and embrace it (which they won't becuase that way they loose a strnagle hold) then there'd be no need for palladium

 

[RatTrap]

Alpha.. it is a platform.. the things your saying are ovious.. but you fail still to understand..

an OS is a program.. a BIOS is a program.. everything that does a tiny litle thing in your computer.. is a program.. end of story!..

if it's a platform.. bios function.. com object.. or hardware driver don't matter.. it is still a program.. and you ARE limited to what that program lets you do.. if you don't agree with this.. then you must be the most stubborn person in the world.. if the new windows comes with Palladin and you buy it.. you are agreeing to use it with the features/buggs that it comes with.. and if you want to do something outside these features.. you can very well go do it but on another program.. this is what this program does.. and it's got nothing to do with your rights.. it's got to do with what the programmer intended this software to be used for..

nobody is talking about linux here.. but let's..

do you know why non-high tech companies would never go the linux way for all the desktop users on their network?.. it's a tiny thing called money.. you may say.. "but linux costs nothing".. but at the same time.. linux is SO wide.. you can do SO much with it.. that just a normal user in a network.. knowing alot about linux.. could basicly take over the whole network.. with linux.. every box becomes a potential hack station.. that.. and usually it's not the network admins work to chose wich platform to go with on the network.. it's the users.. the users prefer something fast and simple.. and that runs all the programs they like to use.. i've said it b4.. i love gimp.. but it's not at all as good at photoshop.. there's a whole bunch more programs like that..

in a network in a normal company.. the admin will be like.. "ok.. let's go windows platform.. it's easier.. and let's install Windows ME".. hehe.. you know what this does?.. it makes it so that every user is SO freaken restricted.. but still can use all the popular programs.. that security goes waaay up the scale compared to if everyone was running on "secure" linux boxes.. wich they never would be coz you would never be able to spend so much money as to teach all the non-high tech ppl how to use linux well..

and about 3dmax.. of course they don't have any controll over you.. nobody is saying that.. but you don't have a controll over what you CAN*T do with it.. meaning.. you can't make an irc server with it.. but that's in no way taking away your rights.. your saying that since Palladium don't let you do this or that.. it's taking away your rights.. but that's not true.. if you install it on your system.. you are allready well aware of the limitations.. and you agree to it before installing it anyways.. you are agreeing to use a program the way it was intended.. if you don't like the way it is intended to use.. then don't.. and stop complaining.. coz this is as lame as arguing with Azimer abour Apollo not being able to run a PSX game..


also.. you guys have it completly wrong on the freeware thing.. these are rumors.. your making them big again.. stop that..

MS said they had a diferent aprouch for small software.. but that it will have to be in some way signd to the palladium system.. but i think it was going to be a free service of some sort.. the whole system isn't 100% finished yet.. it's still a big discussion.. but ppl making up stuff does'nt help anyone..

 

[AlphaWolf]

No I understand perfectly, and it is microsofts copyright, same with the other software that make up that platform, but all I'm saying is I will not ever use palladium, period, and your trying to argue that linux can't be in the commercial market. Right now that is true, but given time, linux will have the compatibility that you are asking for (in fact, theres nothing stopping adobe from porting their mac OSX version of photoshop to linux other than maybe about $100 worth of coding labor. They can still have it be closed source, as the GCC libraries are LGPL, meaning you can link them to your code, and you are not required to release the whole source).

Remember, the openness of the PC platform is what made it succede in the market over Mac. There is profit to be made in linux, and in fact lots of it, as you can modify and sell it to your hearts content, and whatever additions you make (E.G. a user friendly shell), you can have closed source if you so desire. Linux will succede windows in the same way the PC succeded the mac, all it needs is time.

MS said they had a diferent aprouch for small software.. but that it will have to be in some way signd to the palladium system.. but i think it was going to be a free service of some sort.. the whole system isn't 100% finished yet.. it's still a big discussion.. but ppl making up stuff does'nt help anyone..

Thats fine, but they will never sign anything grey market (e.g. emulators).

 

[RatTrap]

that's not true.. you don't know that they won't.. this is what you think.. but it's not 100% acurate.. MS has no right to say what is and what isn't aloud to be programmed.. they won't change the rules.. they will make sure there is a clearer line.. but an emulator isn't grey.. it's white.. the thing that will most probably be black listed will be roms.. wich isn't the same thing..

i'm 100% sure that once this type of market opens up.. and if it works out.. and there is a somewhat reasonable amount of ppl in the white internet.. companies like nintendo might sell you Roms.. to play with your emulator.. maybe they might even come out with their own.. in any way you see it.. the free piracy market will be screwed.. but it'll open up the market for a more stable internet.. one that won't go down as easy as this one is doing..

bout linux.. i never said that in the future it won't be diferent.. it may well be.. i run linux myself quite often.. and i might have mentiond b4 that i have my own network with 1 linux server.. 2 xp and one 2k machine that i have'nt had time to install xp on yet.. out of all these machines.. the one i use the most is the one i'm sitting on right now wich is the one on my room with XP.. why?.. because linux just isn't really fast and user friendly for me at this time.. in the future it might be.. but the problem with it.. is there's no money behind it.. so most companies won't bother.. bigger companies like adobe have it really well in the Mac.. they could probably survive without PC's.. but they do so well now with Windows.. that they see it as more trouble then anything to recode it for linux.. you say.. "just $100".. but it's FAR from just $100.. they pay ppl for support.. they have to pay for a whole bunch of stuff you can't even start to think about.. parts of code aren't even done at adobe.. and some things would be required to pull in a linux expert.. etc.. it's a whole lot more tricker then you imagine..

i was gonna start selling a great product i had built once bout 2 years ago.. i was like.. sure i'll just start my company and sell it.. i allready had 3 buyers.. so.. i go talk to one of these companies.. where a bud of mine worked.. ok.. i talk to the boss.. the guy who wan'ts to buy this thing.. he want's support.. and he want's it packaed.. why?.. coz it makes it simpler for them.. in the end.. we talked bout a whole bunch of things.. and company ensurance.. software ensurance.. a copyright that was killing me coz i could'nt figure out if i was being screwed or not.. turns out i wasn't.. i found that out later on.. but the point is.. it's VERY complicated.. it's not as simple as you sudgest.. and it costs a whole lot of money too.. and imagine what type of experts they would need to have on a support group for a linux photoshop version.. do you know how much linux experts cost?.. then you have uppgrades.. addons.. you have to sign and verify every litle plugin.. oooo.. the list gets SO huge.. we're talking a year of preparations.. and a whoooole lot of money.. any company knows this.. wich is why they don't do this kind of thing.. that and that in linux.. the free market reigns supreme.. alot of ppl would'nt buy the software.. because they would feel that adobe was somehow trying a piece of the cake.. i know it sounds lame.. but you could find a whole bunch of reasons why ppl would'nt buy it.. and there's a whole lot more but i'm just to sleepy to explain.. *yawn*.. this should've kept you entertaind for a while though i guess..

 

[AlphaWolf]

I think you will find this article interesting, especialy the bit in the last sentence which describes exactly how I spend my money on software :happy:

http://www.linuxlaboratory.org/modu...=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=15

BTW, apparently the specific application of using smart cards hasn't been put to use by anybody (well, much more detailed than just using a smart card). It could very well be origional.

/me files for a patent.

 

[RatTrap]

replying to your posts is easier and easier ..

you do know that this guy is as biased as they get.. although he does try to come off as the the non biased type.. he says things like.. "if Windows was as fast, secure, stable and reliable as Linux i would....." but i mean.. LINUX.. ISN*T as secure and realiable as LINUX is.. it's as secure and reliable as the person sitting behind the screen is..

the whole world isn't full of linux experts.. and the ppl won't become experts over night.. also most ppl don't even want to be linux experts.. they just want a basic system that runs the apps they like.. and they too don't care for cheap imitations.. like a whole load of the freshmeat stuff you see out there..

unless linux becomes something that works and feels a WHOLE lot more like windows.. and as easy to use as windows is.. AND application stable.. (i mean.. comon.. make your mom or dad just try installing something under linux without it somehow going wrong)..

XP and NT are stable.. and they are EASY to work with.. install new things.. send email.. browse websites.. etc.. the stupidity about windows not being stable is for ppl who don't know what the hell they are doing and do something stupid with NT or XP.. like run something that some friend made or that they downloaded off the net wich has been ported to windows from linux (these things have a habit of not working well on windows)..

i myself.. run servers.. i run 3dmax.. i run photoshop.. i run various clients.. i have processes going that do work for me automatically on the background.. i have windows scripts running in the background to save me the trouble of looking at OE (i code half of my own windows environment you could say).. i run server applications as other users.. i don't shut down my computer ever.. (my system is allways on irc if you hadn't noticed.. if it's not.. it's coz the server i'm connected to whent down).. and i drive my system to the limit every single day.. i more than often have loads more applications running that i even have installed on my linux box.. i can't honestly say.. that linux would be faster or more stable.. i believe it could be.. but i can't be 100% sure.. because i don't have all these aplications running under linux.. so i haven't tested.. and neather can you.. beacuse you too don't have all these things in linux so you can't test eather.. and with all the apps i have running.. my computer still stays on IRC.. serves as a server on various projects.. and has a load of stuff running on the background.. oh.. and pretty often i play games with a whole lot of the stuff running.. although i usually turn off the 2 most trafficated servers while playing online games.. because my connection laggs me if i have them running..

and then about the companies making cheap imitations.. the thing with that is.. they don't invest as much as they would on a proven market.. it's simple.. buy their crap products and you'll get better ones.. don't.. and you'll miss out on it.. if you even want a market for adobe, real, ibm.... companies to start in linux.. you will have to put up with versions that won't be as good as the ones for windows.. maybe for a few years.. or maybe for a few months.. it depends on how well it goes.. companies have a tendency to drive these things as projects.. like they'll be like.. "Here mr linux fan boy.. here's the money.. with this you'll have to make a new version of photoshp for linux.. and if it goes well.. you'll get a bigger budget next time".. if you believe a company works like a giant brick wall that can use all it's resources on any given product.. and that they will do so on an unproven market just because a few linux users want it that way.. then your wrong.. they'll split the budget.. and you'll get what you get.. if you don't like it.. more then likelly there won't be a second version.. and this is how companies work.. it's pure ekonomics and busyness ..

 

[AlphaWolf]

Your not understanding what I am saying though; yes its not ready yet, but the time will come. Currently its not ready for the market; its harder to use, and its only backed by the server market, which isn't nearly as profitable as the consumer market. But that can change in a few years, and the last thing I want is for palladium to become an inseparable part of PCs (that IS its ultimate goal, despite that in the immediate future you will have the option of turning it off).

 

[RatTrap]

you are the one starting threads with anti MS/Intel propaganda that you can't even back up and don't have all the facts straight about.. it's one thing to pick on MS knowing what your talking about.. but it's quite another to just do it bcoz it's become a "thing" online..

and actually.. i've said it allready.. that at this time.. it's not my choise for an OS.. but i've said that it could become in the future.. and it's not the choise for an OS for the comon user eather.. wich is the main reason why companies don't invest on it.. and that too could change in the future.. and then i've pointed out the flaws of linux and the linux scene.. again and again on this thread..

what should be donne.. is that ppl should stop nagging like women about how bad windows is.. how unstable it is.. and how programs should be made for linux.. and instead.. do something about making linux better.. etc.. but making fun of the companies prefered OS is not the way.. i don't really care if you make fun of something.. but putting up a post on a forum like this one and calling it "Boycot Intel".. is really NOT the way to go.. and it starts rumors and makes ppl biased to something that isn't true..

also.. i've never said that i have signed with microsoft.. and i have not said that i will be buying the new windows with palladium or that i support it.. but if you ask me.. it could become a very good thing for the internet.. as it is now.. not even pron sites are making enugh money.. seriously.. that.. is.. bad!..

and about palladium having a goal to take over.. microsoft don't need to do much to do this.. why?.. because it's our own fault.. we are practically giving them money away by warezing so much.. how?.. by making companies feel they canot trust the users anymore.. why?.. because we don't buy their software.. so if palladium takes over.. you won't have anyone to be mad at but yourself.. they are merely protecting themselfs.. and Microsoft is just taking the oportunity we keep flaunting right in their faces..

and in these times.. when companies are loosing faith over the internet surfers.. they'll only hide even more from linux.. so if this massive over piracy thing is killing the internet.. it's doing more so indirectly.. to the linux comunity and the chances for companies to try their luck there..

 

[Stezo2k]

what should be donne.. is that ppl should stop nagging like women about how bad windows is.. how unstable it is.. and how programs should be made for linux.. and instead.. do something about making linux better.. etc.. but making fun of the companies prefered OS is not the way..

I couldnt agree more m8, well said :satisfied

stez

 

[AlphaWolf]

you are the one starting threads with anti MS/Intel propaganda that you can't even back up and don't have all the facts straight about.. it's one thing to pick on MS knowing what your talking about.. but it's quite another to just do it bcoz it's become a "thing" online..

Actualy no the topic name was a bad one that I wanted to change after the third post but it was already too late. I am fully aware that everybody has taken "interest" in paladium, including AMD and microsofts competitors.

Honestly I don't pick on anything because of the name. Hell go read my previous posts, I'm like the only person on this forum who speaks good about the xbox. The reason I suggested straying from intels DRM chips is because other companies will be watching, including AMD, and if they see the sales flop, then guess which market they wont be entering?

and actually.. i've said it allready.. that at this time.. it's not my choise for an OS.. but i've said that it could become in the future.. and it's not the choise for an OS for the comon user eather.. wich is the main reason why companies don't invest on it.. and that too could change in the future.. and then i've pointed out the flaws of linux and the linux scene.. again and again on this thread..

what should be donne.. is that ppl should stop nagging like women about how bad windows is.. how unstable it is.. and how programs should be made for linux.. and instead.. do something about making linux better.. etc.. but making fun of the companies prefered OS is not the way.. i don't really care if you make fun of something.. but putting up a post on a forum like this one and calling it "Boycot Intel".. is really NOT the way to go.. and it starts rumors and makes ppl biased to something that isn't true..

I haven't said anything even like this. Currently my favorite OS is windows 2000. (BTW, all of the copies of windows I have are legit, believe it or not, just because I haven't paid for any directly doesn't mean I don't legaly use them -- in fact I can even scan you up a copy of all of my hologrammed CDs if you want) The reason I promote linux is because its a pretty damn good open platform (which if you recall is what I want to become the norm), and its pretty close to being the next contender. Open platforms will more than likely benefit everybody. (well, except microsoft of course.)

also.. i've never said that i have signed with microsoft.. and i have not said that i will be buying the new windows with palladium or that i support it.. but if you ask me.. it could become a very good thing for the internet.. as it is now.. not even pron sites are making enugh money.. seriously.. that.. is.. bad!..

and about palladium having a goal to take over.. microsoft don't need to do much to do this.. why?.. because it's our own fault.. we are practically giving them money away by warezing so much.. how?.. by making companies feel they canot trust the users anymore.. why?.. because we don't buy their software.. so if palladium takes over.. you won't have anyone to be mad at but yourself.. they are merely protecting themselfs.. and Microsoft is just taking the oportunity we keep flaunting right in their faces..

and in these times.. when companies are loosing faith over the internet surfers.. they'll only hide even more from linux.. so if this massive over piracy thing is killing the internet.. it's doing more so indirectly.. to the linux comunity and the chances for companies to try their luck there..

I think this is a result of the dot-com bomb. All new technologies wreak havok on other industries as well as their own when they first hit the mainstream market. We are merely in the middle of this revolution. Think back to when the MPAA wanted to kill the VCR, because they wanted to eliminate the grey market in that area. It actualy turned out to their advantage big time, and they to this day refuse to look at the internet as a possible good thing.[/quote]

Sure, the circumstances are different. The digital age brings many advantages to the pirate that the VCR didn't have.

But, the result will be the same. Tthe VCR didn't have the same advantages that the internet offers the MPAA. They didn't get to change the VCR at all, just as they shouldn't get to change the internet.

Its amazing how history repeats itself.

 

[RatTrap]

Actualy no the topic name was a bad one that I wanted to change ...

like i said.. think b4 you type.. the topic name was a REALLY bad choise.. imagine if i start a "Boycott linux" thread.. what type of ppl do you think it will attract to it?.. do you think some of them will be gullable?.. and if i'm not 100% sertain about what i'm about to say would be the reason to boycott linux.. then i would'nt have been thinking at the time of starting the thread.. right?.. the thing is.. if you had thought about it.. knowing what you knew then.. you could've come up with a variety of other names.. and started the whole thing a whole lot more cleaner then it did.. i really think you where glad to start the thread with that name.. because you prefer amd.. but of course.. you would'nt admit to that..

Honestly I don't pick on anything because of the name. Hell go read my ...

you might not have been picking on something.. even though i woul'dnt care if you do.. i just would'nt take you seriously i guess.. but i was more so refering to the article you attached and to the ppl in this forum and ppl out there that are just following the "trend" of picking on MS.. wich leads some brighter ppl to look into it abit more.. and as allready biased bright young ppl.. by friends and the mass of ppl picking on it.. makes them worse and malinformed and end up saying a bunch of uselessness that aren't right/true/sometimes just made up.. it's this type of things that make some ppl start threads like.. "another reason to hate window".. and this isn't the first time.. wich makes me think that i can't start to wonder what other type of nonsens ppl go around starting on other more generic forums.. it's trully sad.. but there's way to many rumors..

I haven't said anything even like this. Currently my favorite OS is windows 2000....

yeah but you keep naggin about how companies should do this.. because windows is less stable.. slower.. etc.. and you can't even prove it really.. you linked to that guys article.. you should stand by that.. unless you've had a change of opinion .. wich if you ask me you seem to be having or at least giving for every post that you post.. btw.. i too have fully legit OS's and the big programs.. only ROM i have is F-Zero X.. and i own that game.. and also i've bought all the things i have on my own..

I think this is a result of the dot-com bomb. All new technologies wreak havok...

if you think about it.. you'll notice that worldwide adsl.. cable.. and better connections have become a thing for the average computer user.. at the same time.. more and more ways of getting free software have been showing up.. pron sites lose on this because you can now just download a full pron movie.. media companies lose on this because you can now download any type of movie.. song.. or other.. by the click of a few buttons.. and the rest of the internet has become crippled because services have become free in other forms.. games can be downloaded.. etc.. i've said this b4.. the dot.com crash is one thing i mentioned earlier.. and it's got to do with this.. but this is more of a overabuse of piracy then anything.. the dot-com crash mainly refers to internet services.. it doesn't have as much to do with what we're discussing.. this is about palladin and piracy.. the palladin system will help the recovery of the dot.com crash go faster.. but at the same time it will secure the future.. and it is not driven by the dot.com crash as much as it is driven by the users of the internet over abusing the ease of pirating todays software and media..

Sure, the circumstances are different. The digital age brings many advantages to .....

it's not.. this is what happends with every source of media out there.. it allways has been this way and it will allways be this way..

there will be something bigger than the internet one day and we'll be in this mess again.. unless they put a type of system that makes sure there is no way around the rules.. and ppl can't abuse it..

and about changing the internet.. they aren't.. they are changing their OS.. the internet will be the same.. the internet is like a collective mind.. it won't change.. the old internet will still be there.. you could call this.. evolution..

i'm sure that by the first month of the palladin version of the internet running.. there will be some hacks to get thru the security holes that are allways there.. but that's a diferent convo all together..

 

[AlphaWolf]

because you prefer amd.. but of course.. you would'nt admit to that..

Didn't I? the origional link I posted is what influenced the name, and not only that but a few privacy groups have lashed against intel, so if I am wrong I am certainly not the first, nor the last. And I do like AMD better, its no secret, they are not nearly as deceptive as intel, and their products are cheaper at better quality. (damn im starting to sound like a commercial)

yeah but you keep naggin about how companies should do this.. because windows is less stable.. slower.. etc..

Er...I don't recall stating anything like that (nor changing my oppinion). The only time I called windows slow and unstable recently is when I was comparing 2K to XP with my own personal experience. I have always considered 2K to be a nice rock solid OS, again go read my past posts to this forum, I haven't said anything like that. Also again, my reasons for promoting linux are for the use of an open platform.

if you think about it.. you'll notice that worldwide adsl.. cable.. and better connections have become a thing for the average computer user..

I dunno, I don't believe anybody can ever make a good argument either way on that one, because the number of internet users as a whole has been growing much faster than the number of broadband users. (btw, its palladium, not palladin, you need to think before you type :happy: )

there will be something bigger than the internet one day and we'll be in this mess again.. unless they put a type of system that makes sure there is no way around the rules.. and ppl can't abuse it..

Sure ok, so what system did they put around the VCR?

and about changing the internet..

Wait....I have heard this from you, microsoft, and several other sources that the "palladium" internet won't communicate with the "old" internet. It sounds more to me like they are replacing the internet, not changing it. (yeah sure the same infrastructure remains intact, but thats kinda like cutting a worm in half, killing one half and feeding it to the other so that it can grow into a new whole)

And besides, wheres the room for the other OSes if the other ones can't communicate on this internet? (its already sounding like this will fail since the majority of the internet is running on unix variants IIRC. And more specificaly, that would mean that martin would have to either pay MS to get his site signed, or switch to windows in order for palladium users to visit emutalk.net )

 

[RatTrap]

well.. i was not at all sure.. most amd biased ppl usually don't agree to be it.. just like nintendo fanboys don't.. finally.. someone that agrees to be biased.. i prefer intel for me specifically.. but i find what AMD are doing is great too.. the problem is.. you see ppl all over the place making up rumors and starting things without any type of reason to do so.. and i really hate when ppl do that..

about changing your opinion.. the thing is.. you haven't answered to anything more then what you could disagree with.. i find it funny that the only thing you will reply with is contradiction and hardly ever any type of agreeing comment.. you just avoid those things i guess.. that.. or you disagree with me completly.. and since you seem to not reply to parts of my posts.. i figure you've got no comment against it or.. you've changed your mind or something like that..

you might not have said anything about wanting companies to make programs to linux.. but you did put up the link on your post.. and you should have made it clear that that wasn't your view then.. coz it was'nt clear at all that it was just a fun thing you wanted to post for me to read.. and that you didn't feel like that ..

a good argument about this.. hmm.. well.. here in sweden.. the broadband has grown WAY faster then the amount of users.. if someone don't have adsl.. they have cable.. and if they don't.. they will get it in bout a month or 2.. Marty don't have it only coz where he is living it's a brand new place(that i know of).. and so it's gonna take a month or two.. but any other place of the country that isn't "the country" (but i've seen a whole bunch of farmers with satelite dishes and i'm sure it's eather that or radio internet that they use).. has a faster connection then 56k to the internet .. let's explain it abit more basic.. i live in IT-capital Sweden Stockholm.. if you know your stuff.. you'll know Sweden is one of the countries that's ahead when it comes to IT.. and that it's one of the countries wich the highest amount of onliners/inhabitants on the planet earth.. here.. this year.. because of piracy.. you have less online shops.. because of piracy.. ppl don't rent as many movies.. because of piracy.. cd-sales are as low as ever.. and all the websites that sell these things movies.. cds.. apps.. games.. that where doing SO well for about 1 year ago.. have mostly disapierd.. or could do so by next year.. this isn't all.. bigger companies.. have fired SO many.. because they don't believe in the internet anymore.. it don't pay off.. banners give practically nothing.. because ppl have ways of blocking them.. internet news sites.. that used to have new things every month.. and would wip out a new site whenever something big happend.. can't afford a web developer.. since banners don't pay..
the tragic thing.. is that there's SO many ppl looking for an IT job.. last i heard.. it was over 1 miljon swedes looking for IT jobs.. and out of this 1 miljon.. about 50% where qualified.. most of the rest had worked with it b4 but been fired.. and out of these 500 000 that where fully qualified.. there's like 6 that get a job every month.. while at the same time.. companies go down and there's more ppl without jobs.. and that's not all.. the thing is.. it's starting to show on other parts than on those websites with news and servies of diferent types that run banners.. the whole country is doing bad because of piracy.. it hurts us all indirectly.. and it'll get worse.. usually things that happen here.. happen after a while in england and the US.. so alot of ppl here.. are looking for jobs in england and in the US.. coz it's not as bad there yet.. and their hoping it will stabilize somehow b4 it get's worse.. honestly.. finding an IT-job today here in sweden.. is hard as hell.. i should know.. i run my own company because i could'nt find one.. i still keep searching but the competition is SO huge.. that and you can't take a job in any company.. you gotta make sure they are well established.. have money.. etc.. or else you'll end up fired.. it's happend again and again to friends of mine.. ppl that REALLY know what they are doing.. ppl whom i go to ask for help whenever i need coding or design help..