1964 0.9.9 - Not the Big Hit ?

[Trotterwatch]

Well said Siskoo. I can't think of a single emulator that is 100% compatible - I'm nearly certain that even Atari 2600 ones sometimes have small issues with games.

And how old is that system?

 

[ScottJC]

death rin VR, nightmare creatures is one game, also the emulator was not designed to please YOU specifically, or even me or trotter.

If you think you can do better then go ahead, after all, you are the emulation master here with a mighty 29 posts, because you seem to think this is all a piece of cake.

Now heres one game PJ64 emulates worse than 1964, Banjo-Kazooie (U) [!], is that a reason to go to their forum and announce I "I hate PJ64 because it can't play 1 game properly"?! is it? no, that would be absurd. I don't hate PJ64 i was using that as an example.

PJ64 also has the Tris thing in DK64, where as 1964 does not, again I could do the above with ease over this.

PJ64 has its own core issues, I don't see you complaining about them.

I rest my case.

 

[Jabo]

*looks this technique up in book "Ways to start multipage thread", yeah it's there*

Umm just real quick, Stars Wars, Mario Tennis and Resident Evil 2 are not easy games by any stretch of the imagination to get working, that's not really fair to expect, your computer isn't an N64, I know sometimes you look at the box, and you're like shit!, this thing can play Unreal Tournament 2003, why is N64 version of Super Pokemon Puzzle Fighter Special Turbo Edition look like crap! well it's usually more complicated than that

 

[FiRES]

nice to see that ya are alive jabo

 

[Jabo]

nice to see that ya are alive jabo

likewise :watsup:

 

[LazerTag]

LOL! @ Jabo

I was thinking the same thing.

Seriously though, offering up complaints about what games an emulator will not run is a total waste. Instead give information about your own hardware, the plugins used, the emulator version, settings, drivers you have installed. That information will be so much more helpful to lead any emulator to gaming nirvana.

And from what I have read and understand about emulation programmers is most do it not to get games running perfect, but simply to make those games actually work on different hardware. They seem challenged by the technical aspect more then the ability to make the game fully playable. That's just a bonus.

 

[death rin VR]

Great logic, so if something is old it must therefore be incredibly easy to emulate? I mean after a certain period the rom just unlocks all of it's secrets ready for emulation. If you knew anything about programming, you'd have come to the conclusion that you have just spouted out a lot of nonsense

If you knew what it took to get something like Banjo Tooie working for example, I think you'd be in awe as to the level of skill needed to find out things about these games. If the documentation was available on these games, or was hackable - then it would have been emulated already. At the moment the games are a locked safe (only a very few in amount too), a programmer needs to find the correct method to 'crack it open'.

Nightmare Creatures like Dezamon3D is just one of those games that may use a slightly different boot code, or it may have required something that would have meant changing a lot of other stuff for it to work. I would suggest that you are nitpicking though.

If you don't like the emulator Death Rin VR, may I humbly suggest you do not use it. Better still learn to program then come back and tell us how sorry you are for judging the programmers ability and desire to emulate the N64.

Hello ? Anyone @ home ? I never said that i don't like the emulator, I'm just *interested* in the reasons why certain games don't work. Is this a discussion board where nobody even can do a slight criticism about something ?
I asked already, and I ask again: Weren't the programmers of 1964 in contact with the guys who made Project64 to combine their knowledge about emulating certain games (like Nightmare Creatures)...?

 

[Trotterwatch]

Quit the attitude first and foremost. You started this thread off with unfair critcism, you then shown total ignorance in telling more experienced people that they were wrong to tell you that the issues were not core bugs but graphic bugs. So don't patronise me, k

Certain games do not work because of the reasons perhaps outlined in my posting which you have thoughtfully quoted above. Read it.... Emulators are not all created equal, some may use methods that get some games working but totally break others. It's one of the things that happens.

 

[karth95]

Dark Rin: knock off the attitude. You'll never get good answers by being a ****.

Second of all. Yeah, the programmers of 1964 are in contact with the programmers of PJ. There are different methods being used in both emulators, meaning some information can't be shared. This is true with all emulators. Deal. One programmer will do something that works for one game, but breaks another, etc. That's how it goes when you emulate something so complex.

 

[The Siskoo]

Ok, i don't want to insult anyone of the developers of the new 1964, but I (from an amateurs point of view) just can't see any improvements towards Project 64, besides the fact that the games are running really fast (almost too fast in most cases)QUOTE]

It's very weird you can't see improvements of 1964. It seems you wanna compare 1964 0.9.9 and Project64 1.5. Here some examples :
- You have the netplay in 1964 0.9.9, if you want the netplay on PJ64 1.5, you must download a specific version (Project64 Kaillera).
- Compatibility list have lot fixes or improvements and it's more accurate.
- CPU core with many bug fixes and is much faster (seems better for slower machines).
- you can Download plugin online (good option when you're a beginner). PJ64 don't have this kind of option.
- Cheats are more easy to use on 1964 than PJ64.
- etc...

Anyway, PJ64 1.5 is a great emulator too, I like PJ64 and 1964. These 2 emulators are very complementary. If a game don't works on PJ64, try it on 1964. If a game don't boot on 1964, try it on PJ64. None emulators will be perfect. The only perfect emulator is the real console with real cartridges.

Schibo, Rice, Jabo, and all others developers are just human being. We are lucky to have all these FREE emulators. You can chose and change of emulator to play with your favourite game.

Then If I answered to this quote, it's just to say you're unfair to say you can't see any improvements. The critical (good word !!) is good when it's justified. It seems for lot people, your critical (i hope it's the good word) was unjustified.

 

[My95ZR2]

I'm a little curious on all this. YOu don't have alot of documentation to go off of to know how a N64 works. I know you have processor docs or ones similar to them, but not full write-ups on it all. How do you go from running simple N64 demos to cracking Jet Force Gimini? I mean a lot it has to be playing with one line of code over and over, but how do you do it? I need to get into NES emulation to grasp all this...next time I'm bored, I will.

Adam

 

[desertboy]

So what ? I can't believe that you are telling me i should love an emulator because of strange technical details that 99% of the users don't understand. Can't you see that I'm just using it to play, not to [insert technobabble here] ?

I must admit that i was judging it to fast. With the plugins from PJ64 it actually works really good, and satisfies me with it's results, but still it is far away from being the perfect emulator we probably all are waiting for.

Well my Nephew has no problems and he's 11. If you're into emulation you're probably reasonably computer savvy it's not hard. You want to see what advantages 1964 has over pj64 get an xbox get surreal64 and it'll soon become clear.

PJ64 is an awesome emulator no question and easy to get good results but 1964 has a charm I guess you have to be a geek to appreciate. It's the one and only N64 emulator I use on the PC because it plays every game I would want to play fine (aside from graphics plugin in issues which isn't an issue with 1964 itself).

Just copy the plugins directory from pj64 to 1964 and you'll see you can use pj64's plugins fine and that you'll get pj64 type results (faster if you have a low end machine).

I've been following Rice's progress the last few months (How I stumbled on this site) and the plugin keeps getting better and better it's just glide64's progress has been phenominal as well and may have slighty overshadowed Rice. Jabo's plugin's are very good but it's as good as they probably will ever get, where as Glide64 and Rice's plugin just keep going from strength to strength.

If you like PJ64 keep using it, it's great and you won't find anyone here who disagrees but if you just want to badmouth an emulator we hold dear to our hearts you've come to wrong place.

 

[Hal]

If you like PJ64 keep using it, it's great and you won't find anyone here who disagrees but if you just want to badmouth an emulator we hold dear to our hearts you've come to wrong place.

Finally, someone said what I've been waiting for!!!
Dark, if you want to trash an emulators rep and complain for perfection, just go to the store and buy a damn N64!!!
You obviously do not realize how much work and effort goes into an emulator, especially this one, and you most certinatly do not respect the people who have put so much time and effort into this thing and post it FOR US TO USE AS FREEWARE!!!
Not only do they give it to us as freeware, but they make it so that it is compatible for everyones maching not just theirs.

 

[tuw]

Ignore the message. F-Zero X (on it's own without the 64DD expansion) is not an exp. pack game. This will hopefully be sorted out next release.

Yes that would be wonderful if the game was playable. I get the message yelling at me and every time i attempt to play it booots me back to the splash screen at the beginning saying i need the pak installed.

 

[death rin VR]

Finally, someone said what I've been waiting for!!!
Dark, if you want to trash an emulators rep and complain for perfection, just go to the store and buy a damn N64!!!
You obviously do not realize how much work and effort goes into an emulator, especially this one, and you most certinatly do not respect the people who have put so much time and effort into this thing and post it FOR US TO USE AS FREEWARE!!!
Not only do they give it to us as freeware, but they make it so that it is compatible for everyones maching not just theirs.

*sigh* It's hopeless to start a discussion here.
1. I have an N64
2. I don't trash anything. I stated at least 5 times that i think it's a good emu.
3. I realize that it's much work and i'm thankful for that.
4. I just couldn't understand why some PJ64 compatible games don't run on 1964. I don't know anything about emulation, what i said before more than one time. This "incompatibility" of some games has been perfectly explained to me now by some other users in here.
5. Would you please stop insulting me all the time for posting a small piece of critic on a *discussion* board ?

Last Post from me in this thread unless someone else has something to say besides "Stop acting like an idiot ! It's a great emu, you don't understand anything, buy an N64".

 

[Jimbot]

Stop acting like an idiot ! It's a great emu, you don't understand anything, buy an N64

 

[revl8er]

1. I have an N64
2. I don't trash anything. I stated at least 5 times that i think it's a good emu.
3. I realize that it's much work and i'm thankful for that.
4. I just couldn't understand why some PJ64 compatible games don't run on 1964. I don't know anything about emulation, what i said before more than one time. This "incompatibility" of some games has been perfectly explained to me now by some other users in here.
5. Would you please stop insulting me all the time for posting a small piece of critic on a *discussion* board ?

1) Well instead of criticizing the authors of 1964 because they can't get a few games working, why don't you use the n64.
2)Yes you did state that it was a good emulator, but you were mostly talked about how pj64 was better and 1964 can't run this game or that game like pj64.
3)If you truely realized how much work they put into emulation then you wouldn't be acting like you have been towards the emulator.
4)The reason they don't work is because the authors are two different people. The 1964 author probably didn't want to implement those games because it would mess up other games. Just give him time and he will have the games working someday.
5)We aren't trying to insult you, but it just isn't right for someone who doesn't know anything about emulation to say that just because a game is 5 or 6 years old that it should work perfectly.

In closing, I'm not trying to flame you, but please if you don't know anything about programming, don't diss someone else's work.

 

[karth95]

well, instead of beatiing him over the head.. realize that at a total of 20 posts, all of them asking very newbie questions, he doesn't know or understand what seems to be anything about emulators or emulation, and is making assumptions based on emulators that have been around a loong time.

 

[ggab]

well, this was a HOT topic.
PEACE for all
enjoy playing a lot of great N64 games (only a few of then doesn't work)!
the N64 emulation nowadays is very very good, with this new realese of 1964 better!
thanks to all of the developers who works really hard, making great emulators for the awesome N64.
bye!

 

[Burnpro]

pj64 > 1964...