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AFAIK Jesus is the leading character in Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ"
AFAIK Jesus is the leading character in Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ"
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ScottJC
At your service, dood!
This is one of the reasons why Religion needs to die, You religious types pretty much end up wanting to kill everyone who don't agree with you. Now shut up so I can admire the Magic Fire Ball in the sky which I cannot possible understand therefore have to create rediculas stories... *cough*like the bible*cough*... you do realize the Bible was written by people who thought the earth was flat right?
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*These are my beliefs. If they don't quite match up with your beliefs, it doesn't mean I hate you or want to kill you.*
And just after I promised myself I wasn't going to post in this thread...
At Job 26:7 it was also recorded that God was "Hanging the earth upon nothing". (That was written right about the time the whole Earth-on-elephant-and-tortoise idea was all the rage.)
That said, I would agree that this is not the most appropriate place to start a religious thread. There are more dignified places to have a religious discussion that don't involve dozens of members, each with different beliefs, trying to 'out-preach' the others. (This hasn't really gotten too bad here yet, but you can see how easily it could.)
And just after I promised myself I wasn't going to post in this thread...
Hmm... read Isaiah 40:22. For those of you who don't have a Bible handy:
And another translation. (Just to prove I'm not playing favorites.)Isaiah 40:22 (New World Translation) said:
Studying the original Hebrew reveals that in this instance, the word translated 'circle' can also be rendered 'sphere'. Of course, that was only a little over 2,000 years before Columbus set sail. Now, who would've known at that point that the Earth was round...Isaiah 40:22 (Revised Standard Version) said:
At Job 26:7 it was also recorded that God was "Hanging the earth upon nothing". (That was written right about the time the whole Earth-on-elephant-and-tortoise idea was all the rage.)
That said, I would agree that this is not the most appropriate place to start a religious thread. There are more dignified places to have a religious discussion that don't involve dozens of members, each with different beliefs, trying to 'out-preach' the others. (This hasn't really gotten too bad here yet, but you can see how easily it could.)
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ScottJC
At your service, dood!
I was talking about the Original Bible not one of the many hundred re-writes. Also if the world was flat it doesn't mean it can't be a flat circle. Circle is not equal to sphere btw. Either way the Bible proves nothing.
Flat Earth Wiki Even here the idea of a flat earth is drawn as a circular object.
I can quote meaningless crap from a Bible too, like this:
Flat Earth Wiki Even here the idea of a flat earth is drawn as a circular object.
I can quote meaningless crap from a Bible too, like this:
One interpretation of that is that this is only possible if the earth was flat.
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Several things bother me about the Bible. Things like Judas betraying Jesus, from what I know Judas was destined to do that, and if he didn't then Jesus wouldn't have been killed. So IMO Judas should be celebrated as a good person rather than a bad one as has been portrayed.
Another thing is man is damned to Hell for all eternity if they make a mistake, yet God not only made mistakes routinely, but when he did the remedy he used left a lot to be desired. IE people are behaving wrongly, I'll just drown them all (except 2 of each species, man and woman).
The Bible just makes the idea of God as egotistical and spiteful, rather than loving and forgiving as he should be.
Do I know for certain it's all bollocks? Of course not, heck I wish it were true and do believe in 'something'. What that something is however not going to be ordained by a series of books that could well have been tainted by man.
/Funnily enough though Religion may stop more Wars than it causes. If everyone believed there wasn't a Heaven nor a Hell it still wouldn't stop people from having the inherent need to be violent and disruptive. At least the 'threat' of a Hell, may cause the more rational of this group to think twice.... though as things get twisted to suit, maybe not.
Another thing is man is damned to Hell for all eternity if they make a mistake, yet God not only made mistakes routinely, but when he did the remedy he used left a lot to be desired. IE people are behaving wrongly, I'll just drown them all (except 2 of each species, man and woman).
The Bible just makes the idea of God as egotistical and spiteful, rather than loving and forgiving as he should be.
Do I know for certain it's all bollocks? Of course not, heck I wish it were true and do believe in 'something'. What that something is however not going to be ordained by a series of books that could well have been tainted by man.
/Funnily enough though Religion may stop more Wars than it causes. If everyone believed there wasn't a Heaven nor a Hell it still wouldn't stop people from having the inherent need to be violent and disruptive. At least the 'threat' of a Hell, may cause the more rational of this group to think twice.... though as things get twisted to suit, maybe not.
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God's only mistake (if you can call it that - I consider it the greatest gift) is that he gave us free will. That's why we have bad people who do bad things.
I like to think of it as the pre-Jesus God and the post-Jesus God.
I am a believer, but I draw a distinct line between faith and religion. A quote from Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut - fantastic movie by the way) sums up my beliefs completely:
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Those "rewrites" are particularly helpful to those of us who don't speak Greek or Hebrew. The first translation I quoted is actually a literal (at least as far as English grammar allows) rendering rather than a paraphrase. And as I said, the original word translated 'circle' also means 'sphere'. (Look at the original texts if you know Hebrew or look at an interlinear if you don't.) What you believe is your business, but you made the accusation that Bible writers believed the Earth was flat, while it says right there that it is round (and also that it hangs relatively freely in space, rather than being supported by the mythical creature of your choice).
Anyway, I'm willing to let the matter rest (just because this thread is a flame war waiting to erupt and there are way too many conflicting opinions in a public forum to have a meaningful conversation about two of them), but if you want to discuss the matter further, I'd be happy do so through PMs or e-mail.
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