GameCube: Worth it?

[Josep]

I dunno for other people, but the GC just dropped 50 bucks where i live, now currently $150 bucks;) Anyone think its worth it? I've heard recent limitations on the GC that with those mini discs they can't hold much data, blah blah blah, and the games don't have much of anywhere to go? Anyone beg to differ? I kinda of want to get one, but i don't know how they are going to last game-wise.

[Tri-Force]

Look at the play station. if need be a game will be put on mulitple disks. and i ASURE you that when Zelda comes out it will be SO WORTH IT.

[Josep]

hehe, i sure hope so;) i've heard that the broadband adapter for GC will be only $39.99, very promising...keeping in mind the broadband adapter for the dreamcast was over $119.00 last time i checked...;)

[Macca]

/me slaps Josep for listening to those crazy people

oh course the discs can hold a hellova lot and of course there will be multiple disc games.

Have you played any games yet? people i know have Monkey ball, Wave race, rogue and ssbm, and already we have done like 4 overnighters of just playing them :D

Games to come in the future? didn't yo see E3, Metroid, Mario and Zelda. Besdies them and in the closer future we have eternal darkness, monkeyball 2, animal crossing, starfox.....the list just goes on.

Put it this way, if you can afford it and a couple of games, it'll be one of your best buys ever.

[Josep]

hehe, ok, just wanted to make sure the gamecube would be promising, like, the games i would buy for it would only be for it and not my pc;) usually they aren't, but i don't want a ps2...i already have a stand alone dvd player;) And x-box, o wait, yea i have a computer with a better video card;) Isn't there going to be a keyboard and stuff with the GC soon? or was that something else? btw, does anyone know if gamecube uses Component cables? would like this to be on my HDTV;)

[blizz]

RF and SCART as far as I know

[Reznor007]

Gamecube supports RF, composite, Svideo, Component, and on progressive capable screens 480P HDTV mode. Also, in Europe it supports RGB/SCART.

The discs are 1.5GB...Zelda:OOT was 32MB...think about that for a sec :)

[Raging Fuel]

Yes, there is going to be a keyboard/controller, its being made for PSO atm, but other games will probably support it later. But it does take 2 controller ports, so u can only have 2 at a time. IMO you should wait until the end of the year to buy a GC. There isn't anything that good out yet (resident evil, if u live where its out, and smash bros are probably the best available) but around xmas there should be a huge amount of great games released.

[Josep]

well, this local place is selling it for $149 right now, with a free controller, for just one week;) hehe, kinda makes you rush into it, and i'm guessing GC won't drop anymore for awhile, even till xmas? doesn't seem like it will now, I'll more than likely just get it tommorow;) i haven't bought a console in awhile, the controller is included with the retail package right? i'm not going crazy?;) just making sure:blush:

[Reznor007]

The console comes with 1 controller in the box.

Also, there are plenty of good Gamecube games. I have 9 myself, and I don't have Pikmin or Waverace yet.

[Slougi]

It's not worth it in my opinion. I tried it and hated it.

[AlphaWolf]

If I was still a console person who was after multiplayer, I would pick xbox, despite how much I hate MS. Its $50 cheaper and already includes the necessary hardware.

Hehe not only that but the gamecube somehow reminds me of a kindergarten girls lunchpale.

[Slougi]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
If I was still a console person who was after multiplayer, I would pick xbox, despite how much I hate MS. Its $50 cheaper and already includes the necessary hardware.

Hehe not only that but the gamecube somehow reminds me of a kindergarten girls lunchpale.
exactly

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
If I was still a console person who was after multiplayer, I would pick xbox, despite how much I hate MS. Its $50 cheaper and already includes the necessary hardware.

Hehe not only that but the gamecube somehow reminds me of a kindergarten girls lunchpale.

I hope you meant internet multiplay, for the GC is THE multiplayer machine when it comes to one-console gaming....(SSB:M :blush:, SMB and so on )...even the N64 was a GREAT console when it came to playing with friends...much better than PS where you needed a multitap if you were more than two players...and with no games (almost) supporting over 2...:sleepy:

[Macca]

ssbm is endless mulitplayer fun, as i've said i've clocked up hours with friends and am nowhere near bored

[blizz]

Reasons for Cube: Metroid, Zelda, Mario, SSBM, SMB, PSO Ep1&2, Eternal Darkness, Resi 1, Resi 0, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox, F-Zero

Reasons For PS2, FF games, ICO, MGS2, Shinobi, Gungrave, Devil May Cry1/2, SSX

Reasons for X-Box, Panzer Dragoon Orta... hang on I'm thinking... MGS2 Substance which is also on the PS2

[DuDe]

Shinobi is XB too... So is SSX tricky...

[Lex]

Get an XBOX

[DuDe]

And anyway, it`s all as simple as that: if you like what ninty does, i.e Zelda, Mario, etc, get a GC. If you don`t, don`t get a GC.

"usually they aren't, but i don't want a ps2...i already have a stand alone dvd player And x-box, o wait, yea i have a computer with a better video card"
BTW, those are two incredibly dumb arguements.

[AlphaWolf]

I didn't realy like zelda anymore after "a link to the past", and didn't care too much about the mario games after the first SNES one (mario world 2 was expecialy gay). The first starfox was OK, but all of the ones that followed just had this 1960's/70's superhero cartoon feeling in them. The only N series I realy like still is metroid and f-zero, but I don't think I would buy a GC just for that.

Generaly all of the good third party games always have good multiplayer capable PC versions anyways (albeit later for some).

[Josep]

Originally posted by DuDe_
And anyway, it`s all as simple as that: if you like what ninty does, i.e Zelda, Mario, etc, get a GC. If you don`t, don`t get a GC.

"usually they aren't, but i don't want a ps2...i already have a stand alone dvd player And x-box, o wait, yea i have a computer with a better video card"
BTW, those are two incredibly dumb arguements.

how so? Considering your probably an owner of one of those consoles i could see why you would defend them;) BUT its true though, i mean, ps2=dvd player with some games, most good ones are on PC or will be, And maybe i don't have my stories straight but isn't the x-box like some kick butt gf3 with computer parts in it as well? Anyone have a link to something that explains what exactly a x-box is? cuz thats just what i've heard reading through a few forums, Not to mention the x-box is hacked, and could be leading to ....sadly...what happened to the dreamcast, maybe:blush: who knows

[Jaz]

Get a 'Cube just for the Monkeys in the balls.. ;)

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Josep


how so? Considering your probably an owner of one of those consoles i could see why you would defend them;) BUT its true though, i mean, ps2=dvd player with some games, most good ones are on PC or will be, And maybe i don't have my stories straight but isn't the x-box like some kick butt gf3 with computer parts in it as well? Anyone have a link to something that explains what exactly a x-box is? cuz thats just what i've heard reading through a few forums, Not to mention the x-box is hacked, and could be leading to ....sadly...what happened to the dreamcast, maybe:blush: who knows

Hah, I would hardly let the PS2 have the merit of being called a dvd player, its quite shit compared to some $70 APEX DVD players that I've seen. As for the GeForce in the Xbox, its on par with the GF4 TI4400.

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Josep


how so? Considering your probably an owner of one of those consoles i could see why you would defend them;) BUT its true though, i mean, ps2=dvd player with some games, most good ones are on PC or will be, And maybe i don't have my stories straight but isn't the x-box like some kick butt gf3 with computer parts in it as well? Anyone have a link to something that explains what exactly a x-box is? cuz thats just what i've heard reading through a few forums, Not to mention the x-box is hacked, and could be leading to ....sadly...what happened to the dreamcast, maybe:blush: who knows
Own all of the three.
PS2 is much more than just a dvd player. Many of the best games on the PS2 aren`t on the pc, probably won`t ever be. Tekken4 on pc? VF4 on pc? Ico on pc? I don`t think so.
The XB = pc at core might be true, but what difference does it make? Can you play DOA3 on your pc? Can you play JSRF on your pc? Can you play HeadHunter on your pc? Can you play Gun Valkyrie on your pc? NO. I can`t quite understand why is this arguement so favourable amongst fanboys.

[blizz]

hrrm my sarcasm was lost on people (oh now you see it!! :P )

this is a completely pointless argument, because I somehow suspect that in the end you're going to own all three consoles ;)

[Jaz]

Yup. :P

And it's all Sega's fault.

[Stalkid64]

Tekken 4 is, in a word, crap. No one cares about VF any more. Ico is the most pretentious game-trying-to-be-art in a long time. DOA 3 is YABEUTF (yet another beat-em-up-too-far) with a pad really not suited to it, JSRF isn`t that much over the DC version (ditto Project Gotham/MSR), I can play Headhunter on my DC already, and Gun Valkyrie... well, you`re really stretching it there. A few of those *are* headed for the PC (even Halo). And not a single one of those games has half the uniqueness of Super Monkey Ball, the fun of Luigi`s Mansion or the graphical beauty of Waverace or Rogue Leader.

(Which leads neatly onto mentioning a review will be available very shortly, as Martin has it now hopefully...)

[Jaz]

Time for a title change then. ;)

Martin deleted my KKR review from the server, btw.. :P

[blizz]

Originally posted by Jaz
Yup. :P

And it's all Sega's fault.

yup those bastards ;)

[Stalkid64]

Can I just question my frighteningly low post count at this point if I say something about computers...? ;)
Like... I dunno, that a 150mhz laptop running win98 is still more than considerably kick ass for writing reviews on... yeah, that`ll do...
*hopes for good-humoured mods who don`t deem that as spam*

[RatTrap]

damn.. i should be a mod here :/..

btw.. lol PS2 is getting old.. even sega is canselling games for it.. Xbox.. well.. honestly.. i do like MS for taking the PC market where it has.. even though it's capitalized the biggest OS and is probably one of the richest companies in the world.. so i don't see myself as a MS-hater.. even so.. i've played most Xbox games and found them to be nothing new.. nothing special.. nothing else than eye candy.. and i can get that on my pc any day eather way.. gamecube i really must say has some great unique games.. and to say that is fanboy-ism is just being ignorant.. i know more than a couple of guys who kept telling me to get the xbox.. coz the cube had kiddi games.. they looked at the titles and said.. "monkey baal?.. luigi's mansion?.. your gonna buy shitty kid games like that?".. soon as i had it plugged in and they where talking bout other stuff trying not to show interest.. soon as i started getting into the game they wanted to try it.. one of my buds ended up buying a controll so we could play 2 player games on MY cube.. they kept talking bad about it coz they just where ignorant and felt it looked childish.. now they are more stuck on the games than i am.. and they all got gamecubes too heh.. it's sad but true..

[blizz]

hehe that's so true my m8 bought his cube and all his neighbours in halls keep walking in to play SSBM multiplayer

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
If I was still a console person who was after multiplayer, I would pick xbox, despite how much I hate MS. Its $50 cheaper and already includes the necessary hardware.

Hehe not only that but the gamecube somehow reminds me of a kindergarten girls lunchpale.

Umm..Xbox is $50 more.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Umm..Xbox is $50 more.

Yeah.. and.. uh.. IT BLOWS!

[Raging Fuel]

I want an xbox for Blinx and Panzer Dragoon.

[Macca]

Here is a list of reasons to get a GC (its really just a list of gc exclusives :P)

1080: Whitestorm
Acceleration
Animal Crossing
Backyard Football
Beach Spikers
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury (released)
Bomberman Generation (released)
Camelot RPG
Darkened Skye
Diehard Vendetta
Dinotopia
Disney All-Star Basketball
Disney All-Star Football
Disney All-Star Skateboarding
Disney All-Star Soccer
Disney's Magical Mirror
Disney's Magical Park
Donkey Kong Plus
Donkey Kong Racing
Dora The Explorer
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Evolution Worlds
F-Zero
Futurama
Gift
Giftpia
Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee
Home Run King (released)
Kao the Kangaroo 2
Kameo Elements of Power
Kirby Game
LMA Manager
Lost Kingdoms (released)
Luigi's Mansion (released)
Mage
Mario Golf
Mario Kart
Mario Party 4
Mario Sunshine
Mario Tennis
Marionette
Metroid Prime
Mr. Driller
Mystic Heroes
Namco RPG
NBA Courtside 2002 (released)
NHL 3000
Perfect Dark 0 (officially still exclusive)
Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & Episode 2
Pikmin (released)
Pokemon Game
Rally Championship
Rally Simulation
Resident Evil (released)
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 4
Roll-o-Rama
Safari Joe: The Dark Continent
Skies of Arcadia
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (released)
Stage Debut
Starfox Adventures
Starfox Shooter
Starwars Rogue Squadron 2: Rogue Leader (released)
Super Monkey Ball (released)
Super Monkey Ball 2
Super Smash Bros Melee (released)
Tak and The Power of JuJu
Tales of Phantasia
Tankers: Smoking Barrels
The Hobbit
The Legend of Zelda
Too Human
Universal Studios (released)
Virtua Fighter Quest
Virtua Striker (released)
Warioland
Wave Race: Blue Storm (released)
WWE Wrestlemania X8 (released)
Zoocube (released)

There may be errors cause i copied it from another forum, but you get the point :D

[Macca]

Originally posted by blizz
hehe that's so true my m8 bought his cube and all his neighbours in halls keep walking in to play SSBM multiplayer

I live 5 mins from my school, so when we have free periods/lunch everone comes back to mine to play SSBM :P

[Raging Fuel]

I know you said that you didn't write it, but I've just gone through and made some comments on the list. You can't just copy-paste a list of 'exclusive' games and expect people to think that the system is great. Even of the games that are exclusive, not all of them are worth getting.

1080: Whitestorm - looks good
Acceleration - a game most people haven't heard of and probably don't care about. This is the developers second game ever, so don't expect anything great. They have published games before, and not just for GC, so I'm not sure how exclusive the game will stay
Animal Crossing - looks good
Backyard Football - not exclusive. Being developed by left field, but they are no longer second party
Beach Spikers - look ok, so far
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury (released) - this particular game might be exclusive, but the series sure isn't
Bomberman Generation (released) - same as above
Camelot RPG - not enough info to comment
Darkened Skye - is on pc
Diehard Vendetta - probably crap
Dinotopia - probably crap
Disney All-Star Basketball - dont think i need to comment
Disney All-Star Football - ditto
Disney All-Star Skateboarding -ditto
Disney All-Star Soccer -ditto
Disney's Magical Mirror - ditto
Disney's Magical Park - ditto (even though ive never heard of this one)
Donkey Kong Plus - this is a gba game
Donkey Kong Racing - might not ever be made with the rumours surrounding rare
Dora The Explorer - = doshin the giant? because otherwise ive never heard of it. but if it is doshin then should be good
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem - cant wait
Evolution Worlds - has potential
F-Zero - good
Futurama - not exclusive
Gift - doesnt even have a publisher yet. may not see the light of day
Giftpia - just a copy of gift? never heard of it...
Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee - sounds pretty average
Home Run King (released) - crap
Kao the Kangaroo 2 - developed by titus (superman 64). need i say more?
Kameo Elements of Power - again doubtful because of rare situation
Kirby Game - well since it turned into roll-o-rama its not certain if there is a kirby game in development
LMA Manager - if you like soccer managers
Lost Kingdoms (released) - crap
Luigi's Mansion (released) - good
Mage - probably crap
Mario Golf - good
Mario Kart - cant wait
Mario Party 4 - good
Mario Sunshine - good
Mario Tennis - good
Marionette - i don't think this is a real game. it was on a release list once, and disappeared soon after.
Metroid Prime - good
Mr. Driller - i doubt this will be exclusive
Mystic Heroes - probably crap
Namco RPG - dont know enough info
NBA Courtside 2002 (released) - ok
NHL 3000 - nhl series not exclusive
Perfect Dark 0 (officially still exclusive) - again rare
Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & Episode 2 - good
Pikmin (released) - good
Pokemon Game - im not sure if a pokemon game has actually been announced for gc, but its probably not that good anyway.
Rally Championship - probably ok
Rally Simulation - doubt this is a real game
Resident Evil (released) - good
Resident Evil 0 - probably good
Resident Evil 2 - not exclusive (on psx)
Resident Evil 3 - ditto
Resident Evil 4 - probably going to be released on other systems
Roll-o-Rama - probably ok
Safari Joe: The Dark Continent - crap (titus again)
Skies of Arcadia - probably good
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (released) - not so good
Stage Debut - probably ok
Starfox Adventures - good
Starfox Shooter - probably ok
Starwars Rogue Squadron 2: Rogue Leader (released) - not that great
Super Monkey Ball (released) - good
Super Monkey Ball 2 - good
Super Smash Bros Melee (released) - ok
Tak and The Power of JuJu - nickelodean game. crap
Tales of Phantasia - probably good
Tankers: Smoking Barrels - titus again
The Hobbit - doubt its exclusive
The Legend of Zelda - good
Too Human - should be great if its released on gc (will probably be delayed until next nintendo system :P)
Universal Studios (released) - crap
Virtua Fighter Quest - maybe ok
Virtua Striker (released) - ok
Warioland - ok
Wave Race: Blue Storm (released) - ok
WWE Wrestlemania X8 (released) - wrestling games u can get anywhere
Zoocube (released) - good

[aprentice]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Gamecube supports RF, composite, Svideo, Component, and on progressive capable screens 480P HDTV mode. Also, in Europe it supports RGB/SCART.

The discs are 1.5GB...Zelda:OOT was 32MB...think about that for a sec :)

I got 6 ps2 games and only about 1 is more than 1.5gigs.
The game exe itself shouldnt be more than 100mb really, what takes up the most space is the music and video files.

[Falcon4ever]

If you can't watch your DVD-movies on it, it's not worth it !

[aprentice]

I believe that the GC and PS2 are worth the buy. I ignored what most other console fanboys said about the ps2 and bought it to see for myself. I personally think that that was the best buy I made console wise so far. Every console has its share of exclusive games, although im against the xbox for several reasons. I think pc's should say about of the console scene, and the xbox violates that. M$ is only good at pc's and thats what xbox is pretty much. I'm not paying $199 for a pc thats limited to xbox games. If m$ succeeds at taking over the console market you better start saving cash, cause the console is gonna be expensive.

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by (NL)Falcon4ever
If you can't watch your DVD-movies on it, it's not worth it !

You know....the DVD players on consoles are CRAP...you get much better dvd players for only 100$-200$. And, I wouldn't buy a console just for the DVD player...it's sad that some people do. Besides, they are really "messy" (read: complicated, a pain) to use compared to standalone ones...

That comment is based on the PS2's...never seen the Xbox one...

[Harteex]

If you care about gaming and not about hardware, stop with that stupid argument that Xbox is just a PC...

I think the Xbox' dvd is great, the only problem is that it's very sensitive....

[DuDe]

W00t fuel, you put some time into it.
And yeah, harteex is right about the DVD, it`s sensitive... So is the HD...
Anyway, each system has its games. Only reason I got a GC is for Mario sunshine and the RE remakes, all of the other stuff are crap imo... PS2 is solely for MGS2 and DMC, DVD playback on it sucks anyway. XB is for Ralli Sport Challenge, JSRf, Halo, and Gun Valkyrie, which is the sweetest game I played in the last year, thank you very much. And that`s it.

[icepir8]

I'll wait for the emu.

[RatTrap]

xbox has been hacked.. the rom-data is running around on some sites.. i see no reason to buy an xbox when i'll probably be able to play xbox games on my home pc with an emulator probably pretty soon.. coz as you know there's a lot of anti MS-crews that'll do anything to make MS lose money.. i don't find this a good thing honestly.. i probably won't even download me a xbox emulator if it comes out.. and not only coz i find it to soon to be emulated.. but also coz i feel no urge to play it's games.. and on the other hand.. wasting money on a machine that will be emulated so soon feels useless.. you do know that all the game companies will start to back down once an emulator is released.. so i suspect that in the near future alot of xbox games will be canselled and if i buy the machine i would be paying mucho dinero for a machine that might not get anywhere..

[DuDe]

Emulation didn`t kill the PS1, did it? Nor did it the GBA (well, that`s a different matter). I don`t think that the upcoming PS2 emu would kill the PS2.
Anyway, I doubt the fact that an XB emu would come out soon. Isn`t the DC pretty well documented? I see no emu that runs any commercial games for it.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Tales of Phantasia - probably good

this is a jap SNES game, already translated by dejap. I found it a very enjoyable rpg (traditional yet real-time). I highly recommend anyone to try it. This would be a great game for any system, if it is ported to GC it will be ported Chrono Trigger style, but i doubt it being ported at all (ie i question macca's source).

[Stalkid64]

That game has also been reported by the fairly-reliable UK magazine CUBE.

[Josep]

Originally posted by pj64er


this is a jap SNES game, already translated by dejap. I found it a very enjoyable rpg (traditional yet real-time). I highly recommend anyone to try it. This would be a great game for any system, if it is ported to GC it will be ported Chrono Trigger style, but i doubt it being ported at all (ie i question macca's source).

hehe, agreed, fabulous game;) Still playing through it though;) hehe, you like how stinkin' dejap through in there own little horny lines about the chicks in the story;) haha, well, i sure hope the company that made the game didn't do that;)

BESIDES that;) How many people have heard of the gamecube being near hacked? and who the heck has downloaded a bootlegged version of a gamecube game? maybe an idiot;) correct me if i'm wrong, i've just heard that gamecube hasn't been hacked yet;)

too many smiley faces again...

[AlphaWolf]

I think PCs as they stand have way to much overhead to create a fast enough xbox VM. Not only that but the video hardware isn't exactly a cheap ass radeon here, although it is on par with a GF4 ti4400, you still have the extra overhead to deal with.

[Raging Fuel]

Lately I've been disappointed about the lack of games that I really can't wait for. Also I feel that too many games are just repeating the same thing over and over again.

[AlphaWolf]

true, theres hardly ever anything origional anymore. I dont play games nearly as much as I used to.

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by DuDe_
Emulation didn`t kill the PS1, did it? Nor did it the GBA (well, that`s a different matter). I don`t think that the upcoming PS2 emu would kill the PS2.
Anyway, I doubt the fact that an XB emu would come out soon. Isn`t the DC pretty well documented? I see no emu that runs any commercial games for it.


Uh, you're forgetting something here....most of the CPU load that ,for an example, N64 emus use is to translate the N64 CPU instructions to x86 compatible shit...I don't really know what I'm talking about, however, you wouldn't need this with an xbox. What you would need was compatible components (prolly one of those new nvidia cards, since they support some special stuff in DirectX) and a 700 Mhz CPU. You also need a DVD player (maybe yuou would need to firmware upgrade it somehow) and then you could basically just load the bios thru some prog and run the games...

I know this sounds awfully simple, and i suppose it's a bit harder, but the thing is, you don't have to emulate the games since they're already made for x86 processors....

[DuDe]

I doubt the cpu is that close to the other Intel cpu`s? Anyone here has specs?

[blizz]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Lately I've been disappointed about the lack of games that I really can't wait for. Also I feel that too many games are just repeating the same thing over and over again.

/me agrees

/me goes back to Shin-Alpha Final Fantasy EX Redux Gold Edition ;)

[Tk64]

I'm dying to pay the money and get a GC just for SSB:M...

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by DuDe_
I doubt the cpu is that close to the other Intel cpu`s? Anyone here has specs?

Well, a x86 CPU is a x86 CPU....and they are using a 700Mhz Pentium 3 CPU ( I think...might be lower Mhz)...standard enough don't you think?

[Slougi]

The problem with X-Box emulation is that it has unified memory, so frame buffer stuff like in the n64 is an issue. Also the gfx chip is partially more advanced than a gf4, so you would need a really good gfx card to run an x-box emu. As Alphawolf said, an x-box VM would be very hard to create.

[DuDe]

I don`t think they use a P3. AFAIK it`s an "Intel 700mhz cpu". They don`t say what brand is it. After all, GC uses an ATI card, it doesn`t mean that it uses a Radeon, does it?

[Slougi]

Originally posted by DuDe_
I don`t think they use a P3. AFAIK it`s an "Intel 700mhz cpu". They don`t say what brand is it. After all, GC uses an ATI card, it doesn`t mean that it uses a Radeon, does it?
It's a Celeron 700 Mhz w/133 Mhz FSB. Kinda an overclocked FPGA celeron. A 700 Mhz P3 is superior.

[Gorxon]

No...I was wrong....it's a 733 Mhz CPU...unknown to me what type, but I know it's a x86, which is the main point i tried to make.

The GFX could be a problem tho....:

250MHz custom chip named XGPU, developed by Microsoft and nVIDIA

I believe it's one of those NV25 chips or whatever they were...i don't really care tho

[RatTrap]

heh.. if you guys haven't figured it out.. well for one.. it IS a PC just using some diferent software.. for example the main OS that is used after the games are loaded is something under 1 MB in memory i think.. as to the 25-29 MB in for example winXP.. it's basically a win2k 700 Mhz gf3(on steroids) game PC without all the crap that's in your home PCs OS that you don't need to run while playing games.. not only that.. the thing gives you blue screens when it gets messed up.. and once is alright.. but 2 times now it's happend when i've been to some store and played Valkyrie.. that is just embarasing.. not only that.. it would'nt matter if the machine had an established position in the gaming industry.. PS1 had it pretty alright when Bleem! came out.. that and also there wasn't any other machines at the time other than the N64 wich was getting old and the dying DC.. now there are 3 pretty new machines out there.. and the Xbox is if you ask me the closest one to being hacked.. and it hasen't even secured itself on the market like the PS had.. so it IS a big diference..

[Harteex]

I've never seen my or any Xbox give me bluescreen or something like that... If it happens, that shop should get another Xbox.
Which store was it btw..?

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Josep
hehe, you like how stinkin' dejap through in there own little horny lines about the chicks in the story;) haha, well, i sure hope the company that made the game didn't do that;)

i think the translation was pretty faithful. I think those horny lines was always in the game. If dejap did it, they would have to make a whole scene (i donno if you saw it, it concerns taking a bath:!!!: ) Also, many FAQs speak of the horny lines in the game, proving the existance of them in the jap version. It will be interesting to see how nintendo censors this game.

[Slougi]

Yeah those lines were in the original game as well. There are many rpg's on the snes wih similar lines which were of course removed in the us and european versions.

[Stalkid64]

Three original games; Super Monkey Ball, Luigi`s Mansion Waverace (virtually) and Pikmin. Coincidentally all on GameCube...
And the XBox graphics chip is more on par with a souped up GF3 than a GF4...

[pj64er]

Stalkid, youre drunk! WaveRace isnt original!

for those of you that say that there are no original games, you havent looked hard enough. Original and good games are a different matter.

[Josep]

same with movies, i mean SHIT! you know how mad i am with Scooby DOo?! They have Outcast rapping all over scooby doo!? HOLY SHIT!!! OO, yes, original ideas are hard to find, i swear, this generation is running out of ideas, hell, even music! (Duh) With video games they just keep on enhancing the graphics, just like with movies;) and so on;)

[Reznor007]

Xbox:

733MHz Pentium3 with only 128k cache
233MHz nVidia chip(basically work in progress between GF3 and 4)


And no, you can't just send the CPU instructions to your CPU. You would need a full emulator. Also, the games don't send D3D commands, then are compiled using D3D, but the game itself sends the data as a direct register command to the GPU, and no one I know of has the full register level specs for Geforce3/4 hardware :) This was talked about by a few MAME devs, and trying to emulate Xbox on a 733MHz normal computer was a joke.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Stalkid64
Three original games; Super Monkey Ball, Luigi`s Mansion Waverace (virtually) and Pikmin. Coincidentally all on GameCube...
And the XBox graphics chip is more on par with a souped up GF3 than a GF4...

SMB=Marble Madness with some average party games
Luigi's Mansion=Fishing game, except the fish are ghost.
Waverace=i wont even bother
And I haven't played Pikmin yet (not released here).

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Tk64
I'm dying to pay the money and get a GC just for SSB:M...

3 words: not worth it

[Macca]

3 words: why not?

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Macca
3 words: why not?

3 words: ssb:m just isn't that great. I was already getting bored of it the second time I played it. When I first played I thought it was great, but I found it got boring way to quickly. Pretty much like the original.

[Josep]

hell i still play the original;)

[Sean.Miller]

gamecube - the only console u can fit up your ass
-x box

[Josep]

haha, come on now, when insults come to just how the console is shapped(kinda how some of those gay macs are;)) you can tell you've ran out of arguments;)

[Stalkid64]

/can`t be bothered arguing with narrow-minded people. BUT...
Super Monkey Ball - FUN.
Luigi`s Mansion - FUN.
Waverace - FUN.
Argue with that strange people.

[Jaz]

Super Monkey ball is the greatest game ever. No, seriously. :)

[Sean.Miller]

duh rtcw is the best game ever

[Harteex]

that's all about different ppls opinions... you can't argue that.

[Sean.Miller]

Originally posted by Sean.Miller
gamecube - the only console u can fit up your ass
-x box

eh you know i was only joking right? i don't actually mean it:innocent:

[Josep]

hehe, i guess;)

duh rtcw is the best game ever

hope you were kidding about that;) rtcw was terrible!:) seriously!

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Josep
hehe, i guess;)

duh rtcw is the best game ever

hope you were kidding about that;) rtcw was terrible!:) seriously!

Dude, you thought that Max Payne was bad. See the point?

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Stalkid64
/can`t be bothered arguing with narrow-minded people. BUT...
Super Monkey Ball - FUN.
Luigi`s Mansion - FUN.
Waverace - FUN.
Argue with that strange people.

I didn't say they weren't fun. But it's been awhile since I played a game that was as great as oot, or planescape torment. And so far I haven't played a single cube game that has lastability of more than 7 days.

[DuDe]

Ya, fuel has a point. The only game that I actually play for a while lately is JK2, all of the others tend to get boring rather quickly...

[Macca]

i'm not bored of ssbm yet and neither wave race, rogue leader on the other hand i haven't played for a while.

[blizz]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel


I didn't say they weren't fun. But it's been awhile since I played a game that was as great as oot, or planescape torment. And so far I haven't played a single cube game that has lastability of more than 7 days.

great games like OOT don't grow on trees though

[Sean.Miller]

i love rtcw with that nazi stuff in it and kewl flamethrower

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by blizz
great games like OOT don't grow on trees though

I'm not asking for a game as great as oot, just a game that will keep me busy for a month.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Sean.Miller
i love rtcw with that nazi stuff in it and kewl flamethrower

i used to frequently play on the testmap, before the game came out, it was the best. but when it came out the other maps arent as tight as the beach was. Single player is too short. flamethrower was not what it used to be.

Fuel, you finished monkey ball in 7 days!?!?!

[Jaz]

*cough* Monkey Bowling high score - 244.. *cough*

:happy:

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by pj64er
Fuel, you finished monkey ball in 7 days!?!?!

No, I stopped playing it after 7 days.

[Jaz]

Why would you stop playing SMB?

4-player gaming hasn't been this good since Mario Kart 64..

[h-e-l-l-o]

No, I stopped playing it after 7 days

*looks at raging fuels game*

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by h-e-l-l-o
*looks at raging fuels game*

I....don't...geddit...

Edit: LOL. I'm a dumbass :P I need to change that :D

[Josep]

i dunno, i loved most of the n64 games, now the gamecube is just taking most of those games and more and putting better graphics and sounds, and more stuff to do with those games;) good deal if you like nintendo already;)

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Josep
now the gamecube is just taking most of those games and more and putting better graphics and sounds

Yeah, but sadly that is what next-gen consoles are all about these days. Take PS2. Every other game that comes out for it is a souped-up PSOne title. The XBox is made up of sequels and Dreamcast rehashes. :plain:

Original titles are scarse nowerdays.. :P

[KingTom]

Blinx looks pretty damn original—not that everyone and their grandma at nintendo wouldn't have done it B4 if they had the capability—or do they?

[pj64er]

rehashes and sequels get fanboys (do i even have to name names or point fingers?) of previous systems to buy the new ones. Thats why they are so common at the beginning of a system's life.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by KingTom
Blinx looks pretty damn original—not that everyone and their grandma at nintendo wouldn't have done it B4 if they had the capability—or do they?

The GC wouldn't be able to run Blinx, yet. Once the SD card adapter is released then you will be able to run it, as SD cards currently hold about a gig, and by the time the adapter is release it should be at least 2. Of course a game like blinx will probably not be released until late in the GC's life, if at all, because most people won't buy the SD card adapter.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by pj64er
rehashes and sequels get fanboys (do i even have to name names or point fingers?) of previous systems to buy the new ones. Thats why they are so common at the beginning of a system's life.

But the PSOne started life as a totally original concept. That is all gone now. :P

[Stalkid64]

Want lastable games? Wait for Mario Sunshine and Zelda. The last `big` game I had time to finish was Shenmue, over several months. There`s about a half-dozen big games I still haven`t had time for and never will these days. So if Nintendo are giving me shorter but much more entertainment packed games that I might actually have the time to play through, yes I`m gonna go for those.
There`s a difference between sequels and sequels which have actually enhanced the gameplay of the original and not just the graphics. On average, Nintendo have had a higher ratio of the second type for how long now? Zelda looks to enhance what has gone before. Firstly, I`m more an artist than anything else. Perhaps this is why I can see and appreciate what has been done with the games visuals. Why being able to appreciate something seems to make me a `fanboy` I really don`t get. It also looks to have enabled them to give us huge areas into the deal, and some of the smoothest most fluid animation ever seen.

The concept of breaking up the main game into islands is something new for the Zelda series. The story (and Arill) look to be an interesting thing to get into; THAT and not the graphics are what intrigue me the most. The way enemies will drop weapons you can now use is new to the series. The stealth elements and context-sensitive battle moves are new. And I think its pretty safe to assume a proper day/night system (and weather? It has been seen to rain later on...) which doesn`t `cheat` in quite the same manner as in Majora`s Mask. If you`re a long time player of a series, these are the kind of refinements you`d like to see too.

If everyone thinks original ideas are so easy to come up with, go make them yourself. And would YOU buy a system without recognisable big names behind it which have a reputation for never being bad?
*cough*XBox*cough*

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Jaz


But the PSOne started life as a totally original concept. That is all gone now. :P

you lubbed the PS1 dont you?

but imho, FFVII (a sequel) is what really got the ps1 engine going.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Stalkid64
Want lastable games?

Hey, I'm not saying games aren't lastable. Hell, I loved every hour of Shenmue. And I'm not saying that original games never happen anymore. I'm just saying that they are far less common in today's market than sequels.

Thankfully, the wonderous GC is more like the DC than any of the other consoles. Fun games. And far more original games than that on PS2 or Xbox. :)

But then, GC 0WN5! :emutalk:

[Stalkid64]

(That lastable comment wasn`t aimed at you btw;)) Of course original games are less common - its like music, everything has been done already. Shenmue was too long IMHO... I guess you`ll see soon enough that games will just have to be able to fit in with other stuff and still give you a fair chance of ever seeing the end. Damned if I`ll ever get the time to finish Shenmue 2 or PSO ver 2, or Ferrari. I`ve clocked Lugi`s Mansion repeatedly and I still have fun with it, ditto Waverace, the overrated/underwhelming Rogue Leader, and I`m stuck into Tony Hawk 3, but God knows I`ll simply never have the time to get right through everything of it, or Super Monkey Ball. I just never see the length of games as a huge issue, as long as there`s a huge amount of fun packed into it. Mario 64, Goldeneye et al were all basically very short games, they just had lots of fun which added to the replay value. Most of the real classics do.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Stalkid64
Damned if I`ll ever get the time to finish Shenmue 2 or PSO ver 2, or Ferrari.

*lol* Yeah, I agree about Shenmue.. it did drag on a bit. I never completed the original. Just spent my time in the arcade and buying stuff in the shop. ;)

I did complete F355 though, but that is just because I 0wn at racing games.. ;)

PSO2.. well, blizz keeps cheating and I refuse to play with a cheater. ;)

[blizz]

I clocked PSOv2 on Ultimate, I've went from 20 scape dolls to 1 in the last boss battle ;)

[Jaz]

*lol* You're not even a good cheater.. ;)

[blizz]

..me thinks Jaz doesn't quite understand :P

[Jaz]

Scape Dolls - restore a life.

I know what I'm on about. ;)

[Josep]

Originally posted by Stalkid64
Damned if I`ll ever get the time to finish Shenmue 2

Its a good game, i highly suggest you play through the entire game!:) One of the most unique games i have played in a LONG Time;) waaay better than the first.

[Stalkid64]

I have about a dozen Scape Dolls stored away... I just haven`t been on since the rampant gameshark-ery cheatage started up. Ended up kind of boring... there was the fun side of it though. Waiting until an obvious cheater/duper died, grabbing the GS`ed items then dumping them on another server never to be seen again before returning to the original server. Ah the memories of half-hour standoffs... *sigh*
Shenmue 2 will just take too long though... :(

[Josep]

u sure we're talking about the same game?!:) Kinda lost me when you went into the gameshark thing;) i know what gameshark is, its just you lost me past that;) its well worth playing though!:) so hard to explain what a great story it was

[pj64er]

Josep & Stalkid : Shenmue 2
Blizz, Jaz & Stalkid : PSO2

stalkid is talking about both

[Stalkid64]

My Amiga-based brain actually multitasks properly, so I can hold several postconversations at once see? ;)

[pj64er]

But your Amiga-brain is confusing us linear thinkers:crazy:

:P

[Stalkid64]

I`ll try knock it down to basic a1200 level in future, but thats the best I can do. :)

[Jaz]

*rotflol* ;)

[pj64er]

back on topic, I say GC is better than the alternative:

[Jaz]

*LOL*

It's too small to be an XBox.

And it looks half-appealing. ;)

[Josep]

hehe, seriously, damn big x-boxes!:)

[Josep]

nyway, GC is worth it if you like nintendo games already, thats about it;)

[Jaz]

Josep, it feels weird without seeing Shenmue when I look over.. :P

[Josep]

well i haven't lost my "feelings" towards Shenmue:P But i really did like Earthbound, and i'll probably leave that av up till one of the nintendo guys makes an official statement that they will make a release of earthbound for the Gc;) just for the hell of it;)

[DJJinxC]

lol best to save a bit more cash wait a couple of months and get a ps3 or xbox2, i cant remember which 1 comes out first, think its the ps3, anyway i hope 1 day that gcube emus will run games like resi-evil re-make, along with controler and no errors, that will be the day that i love emulaters...

[Jaz]

Dude, are you joking or something? This thread is over three friggin years old!