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[Alchemist]

I read an article on Gamespot that gave me renewed hopes in Vista.

Like everyone else, I had worried that Vista was going to be nothing more than a graphical update of Windows XP, but since the introduction of 3d desktop features, windows has had to rethink their graphics driver in order to better accomidate these features. In essence, the operating system will run better on machines with graphics cards, and those machines will recieve a performance boost of up to 6x the speed now.

Plus, Directx 10 will introduce many new light blooming and graphics processing features that will no doubt be exploited by Unreal engine 3 games.

I'm still a Linux junky, but this is encouraging news for the world of PC gamers.

[Doomulation]

Jump in DRM. Jump in 800 mb+ eaten by the system. Jump in graphic cards with PS2.0+ probably.
There isn't really that much to be exicted about vista. Did I mention that microsoft needs to rework a lot of code and that a lot of planned changes might not get in there? On top of all that, microsoft is having trouble with the EU, and they might slam down more restrictions on microsoft's OS, and then microsoft will be in trouble. So the future is very bleak, or at the very least, we cannot see what will happen.

[Miretank]

Why worry with Vista? SP3 will come anyway. ;P

[WhiteX]

DirectX 10 games will only work on Vista AND a DX 10 vid card, it is to trash you very expensive 7800GTX and go buy another one for an OS just released, therefore highly bugged.

[arnalion]

Vista sucks, many built in DRM protections. Extremly hardware requiring. Just many unnecessary stuff. The nice features on Vista will come to XP64 to.

[ScottJC]

Oh please, when Vista is released all of you will grab it regardless of your feelings - Don't believe me? XP won't live forever and sooner or later the market is going to shift to Vista so that XP will become obsolete.

The same things were said by people when XP's release was coming, "Theres no way i'm installing that, activation blah blah blah" and yet now XP has suddenly managed to get on all of our machines.

I don't see any reason to judge the OS before it has even come out, that would be silly... it'd be far wiser to take a wait and see approach. Vista might be crap and it might not be. Lets wait till its released properly to the public before we pass judgement, k?

[Miretank]

I don't believe people will upgrade to Vista so soon, a lot of people still have no enough hardware for it. Other thing is a lot of people still use 98. Obsolete or not, XP will be running on a massive number of PCs for a long time, remember that Service Pack 3 will come yet.
Of course, like happened before, everyone will upgrade for Vista. But not so soon.

I agree when you say "Lets wait till its released properly to the public before we pass judgement", but reading articles and seeing screenshot, Vista will be more an eye candy than a great OS, in my opinion of course.

[arnalion]

No i won't use it if it's not necessary. When XP came knew i that the NT systems was better than the old DOS based once, because i had already used win 2k.

[ScottJC]

Windows XP is not nessicary, I could run windows 95 if I just wanted e-mail; in a sense XP is eye-candy as it is nothing more than Windows 2000 with bells and whistles. Since Vista is in the same family as XP I wouldn't nessicarily say that it is a bad OS yet - there are a lot of similarities between XP and Vista.

[Miretank]

Since Vista is in the same family as XP I wouldn't nessicarily say that it is a bad OS yet - there are a lot of similarities between XP and Vista.
A bad OS it won't be for sure - but why should I upgrade to Vista if I already have a good XP? Vista requires to much hardware power, and the only cool thing I've seen on it (until now, maybe m$ will improve) is the Aero style. Other than that, XP still reigns over Vista.

Plus that, they may say DX 10. But if I want M$ games, I would buy a 360, not upgrade my pc just to play Halo 2.

[Doomulation]

Vista is microsoft's worst OS yet, but we can be pleased that many hackers will probably make sure that we can get around a lot of DRM and crap in Vista. But I don't think we should get excited nevertheless, because as stated above, Microsoft will probably have to cut out a lot that was planned for Vista, which basically makes it a Windows XP with mich higher requirements, more eye candy and a bit higher security, which, in time, will also be broken, or hackers will find new flaws to exploit so the history with Windows Update will continue.

[arnalion]

Windows XP is not nessicary, I could run windows 95 if I just wanted e-mail; in a sense XP is eye-candy as it is nothing more than Windows 2000 with bells and whistles. Since Vista is in the same family as XP I wouldn't nessicarily say that it is a bad OS yet - there are a lot of similarities between XP and Vista.

I wouldn't run win 95 bacause it's unstable. XP has more features than 2k, and the "eye-candy" can be turned off.

[ScottJC]

XP still reigns over Vista.
Vista hasn't even been fecking released yet. Of course XP reigns over it, hell even Linux reigns over Vista.

Vista is microsoft's worst OS yet
Of course, and you know this how? It's not even finished or in the shops yet!

The key word is it is unreleased, the lot of you are talking Bullshit about a product you haven't even got yet - heck I might as well save you all the time and say that Blue-Ray is a crap technology because it hasn't been released yet EITHER.

The worst os yet? No - that was Windows ME.

I wouldn't run win 95 bacause it's unstable. XP has more features than 2k, and the "eye-candy" can be turned off.If you don't know what you're doing even Windows XP is unstable.

If we're all going to assume things are bad automatically theres no point getting a Playstation 3 either because that is unreleased, and by all your logic its going down the toilet. Ignorance is bliss, lets all believe everything we read in the news shall we?

[arnalion]

Vista is the OS that i've heard most negative stuff of. But we will have to wait and see.

[ScottJC]

Yeah i've heard bad things too, but if you are looking for things like that you'll find them on just about everything that is coming out in the future - best policy is to find out for yourself rather than believing everything you hear. When the final Vista comes out I will try it and judge it for myself and not allow others to judge it for me.

I think people are more bothered that they will have to upgrade their systems to take advantage of it but in reality by the time its released next year people will have done it anyway. Every OS that has been announced has required better hardware and Vista is no different. Nobody is forcing anyone to use Vista either.

Eventually game makers are going to start producing games for Vista like they do XP now, you won't be able to just ignore Vista in 3 years once it is as big as XP is now. For now it might be unnessicary but time changes things :D

[Doomulation]

Of course, and you know this how? It's not even finished or in the shops yet!
Okay, to be specific, I list is as the worst OS from Microsoft yet from the information we have.
For example, what is this crap that your hardware needs DHCP to view HD movies in its full resolution? There will probably be more restrictions, I believe, in the future, and if not for Vista, for next-gen microsoft systems.

[arnalion]

Never! :P... UNIX whine, whinex ^^

[Miretank]

The worst os yet? No - that was Windows ME.
Yup. But why? Cause it has not great improvements (and required more hardware afaik), and imo its even more unstable than 98. Vista will be the same, about XP. That's why I won't upgrade to Vista, and that's why I think XP will never fall in oblivion. Though better OSes will come, of course.

Now, for the argument "Vista wasn't released yet", it makes no sense for me. So why are we discussing about it anyway? :P We're discussing using the knowledge we have about the beta builds, and all that Microsoft is promising.

[Alchemist]

I can vouch for the fact that ME was the worst operating system ever.

I'm merely impressed with the fact that Microsoft used some originallity in designing Vista, instead of just using options that have been around in OS X.

[Miretank]

I'm merely impressed with the fact that Microsoft used some originallity in designing Vista, instead of just using options that have been around in OS X.
Haha, very well remembered. M$ sucks itself, needed to steal some Apple's idea. Honestly, the only thing that calls my attention on Vista is the new start menu, with that finder option. :P

[ScottJC]

Now, for the argument "Vista wasn't released yet", it makes no sense for me. Well if you hadn't had said "XP reigns over Vista" I might not have brought it up, that was a very stupid statement. How can Vista reign over XP when it hasn't even been finished yet, there is no price - what we have is beta builds - Beta builds can't compete with a finished product - Also XP is six years old, vista is far younger.

[WhiteX]

That´s exactly why i never get a new OS on launch, i mean, XP works for me, they should release DX 10 for XP and for some time release all games for both.

[Miretank]

That´s exactly why i never get a new OS on launch, i mean, XP works for me, they should release DX 10 for XP and for some time release all games for both.
Jup, plus the Service Pack 3 will be released. I'm putting a lot of hope on it.

Well if you hadn't had said "XP reigns over Vista" I might not have brought it up, that was a very stupid statement. How can Vista reign over XP when it hasn't even been finished yet, there is no price - what we have is beta builds - Beta builds can't compete with a finished product - Also XP is six years old, vista is far younger.
Alright, but if we don't use the betas as comparison, how can discuss about XP and Vista? :)

[ScottJC]

Bottom line we can't really compare Vista to XP because XP is a more refined product (all the service packs etc) - Vista is still a buggy pile of crap Microsoft are working on till next year.

There are some good things about Vista as well as the bad, Vista's new UI uses vector based graphics to draw its GUI; this is a good thing because no matter how large the screen goes it will always look perfect... ever tried to play a Macromedia Flash file full screen? A normal movie loses its looks when stretched but these look identical to their smaller version.

Vectors all about drawing from one dot to another to draw objects, vectors are awesome - but they cost more hardware time which is one of the reasons why we'll all need to upgrade our graphics cards.

To be honest, i've used the Vista beta - it was quite functional, only reason I ditched it was because I couldn't find drivers for my sound card (Yes i'm lazy).

Speaking of sound, the sound volume control in vista does something i have wanted for years - each application which produces sound is displayed in a list in a nice dialog and you can silence them - so no more annoying Installer music with Vista. yay.

[Doomulation]

Althoigh I mentioned Vista was crap, it doesn't mean I will not use it.
Also remember that I doubt DX10 will ever be released for XP because of two reasons:
- It will probably be managed, to work fluently with Vista (which means it will be slow on XP).
- And of course, marketing. Microsoft wants people to upgrade to their newest OS.

[Miretank]

There are some good things about Vista as well as the bad, Vista's new UI uses vector based graphics to draw its GUI; this is a good thing because no matter how large the screen goes it will always look perfect... ever tried to play a Macromedia Flash file full screen? A normal movie loses its looks when stretched but these look identical to their smaller version.

Vectors all about drawing from one dot to another to draw objects, vectors are awesome - but they cost more hardware time which is one of the reasons why we'll all need to upgrade our graphics cards.
The GUI seems to be really awesome indeed. I personally like the Aero style. The search option is very impressive - it's for sure a great add for the OS. What keeps me away from Vista is really the hardware requeriments. Of course, if I had a good gpu and more RAM, I would certainly use Vista. But I won't upgrade my PC just for Vista. XP is still good and very useable for my needs. That's why I won't use the new OS (for now of course, who knows the future).
As for the features, Vista will be more flexible than XP imo, but again with a lot of useless things. What will make it unstable will be the low-end hardware I think (on the beginning of XP, lots of people said that it is worst than 98, due it's unstability. But they've said that because they hadn't hardware enough for it - cause any XP runs better 98 on a proper hardware). So, a nice and rich rig will be a need for Windows Vista.

About the sound options, that's very good to hear. :)

Also remember that I doubt DX10 will ever be released for XP because of two reasons:
- It will probably be managed, to work fluently with Vista (which means it will be slow on XP).
I have thought about it too, I guess DX10 will be coded specially to run on Vista, using it's new graphic capabilities.
- And of course, marketing. Microsoft wants people to upgrade to their newest OS.
Heh, for one moment I forgot that M$ want moniz. :evil:

[WhiteX]

The market point is what will possibly turn me off PC gaming in the future, i mean, we will be forced to use Vista to play modern games, will be forced to buy a DX 10 card (which does not exist yet) and will be forced to accept a butt load of DRM to boot.
I, most likely, will have Vista when it turns one year and at that time i do not know how many Vista exclusive games will be released, i just do not have the money to make a major upgrade (GPU and MOBO) just to play Halo 2 and the upcoming Vista exclusive.
As far as DX 10 goes, i have to remind you guys that DX 9C runs on win98 and even DOOM 3 can be twaked to run on it.

[Doomulation]

Indeed. But as you probably know also, in the future, hardware required will go down in price and as for the DRM... well, there are pirate copies of XP out there, and there probably will be with Vista as well, with their DRM circuimvented or disabled or alike.

[WhiteX]

Yes, and here most of them are pirated, however, the way M$ found to control it was to keep it unsafe to release patches tied to your XP being original, we will have to find other ways to keep ourselves secured in this Virus packed WWW.

[Doomulation]

All things can be circuimvented. The fools at ms forgot to actually use multiple keys for the Corporation Edition of XP 64 Pro. Which means, that if you have the key, it is a legitimate version.
Anyway, people WILL find a way around it. We just need to find it.

[Miretank]

Btw have you guys seen the prices of Vista? I remember I've seen it somewhere on the net (neowin I think... anyways here's a good link: http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=32347), and some of Vista versions will be $400.

[Doomulation]

...and some of Vista versions will be $400.
:plain:
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400 for an OS...
That must be the most expensive OS yet to appear?
Looks like the only way to not get left out is to pirate the OS. Microsoft will probably cut out useful stuff in the cheaper versions.

[WhiteX]

He could be talking about our money, the "Real", when launched XP was 400 bucks here, i bet Vista will be the same.

Oh! I just saw the link Mire gave, well, the prices are on the comments, we can´t take that as true.

[Miretank]

He could be talking about our money, the "Real", when launched XP was 400 bucks here, i bet Vista will be the same.
400 DOLLARS :plain:

Oh! I just saw the link Mire gave, well, the prices are on the comments, we can´t take that as true.
Dunno X, cause there will be a lot of different versions. The cheapest will be the Starter Edition, I think the more expensive will be the Enterprise Edition (old Professional). This not counting on Server, Ultimate (iirc), etc...

[WhiteX]

if it comes out at 400 dollars, here, it would be about 1.5 grand, unbuyable.

Starter edition is so cut out that you possibly can´t play a game on it, the home or pro Vista counterparts getting at 400 USD will render piracy a worldwide client base, I believe M$ is very confident on Vista´s anti piracy features to stick such a big pricetag on it.

Once again, i guess i´ll let the good ol´PC get outdated and i´ll prolly get myself some Next gen loving.

[Miretank]

Yes, the original version will be damn expensive here.
Plus that, as we know, we'll need to upgrade hardware. So, it's the money of the OS + Hardware.
Does it worth?
Once again, i guess i´ll let the good ol´PC get outdated and i´ll prolly get myself some Next gen loving.
As I said before, if I'd want to play M$ games, I would buy a 360, not a Vista.

[WhiteX]

As for the OS money, let´s get realistic...most third worlders, pirate it.:pirate:

What i do not like are the Vista exclusive games and the mandatory GPU upgrade to play them, i mean Halo 2 is for Xbox, not X360, we will be obligated to get some card that not even exist to play a game that runs on a modified GeF 3.
Such game that can be played on X360, now on a Brazilian game seling website for R$ 1500,00 with included shipping.
Now single player on PC is a rare experience, let alone on action adventure games; 3rd person are extremely scarce, today all we got are FPS´s, RTS´s, MMO´s and Oblivion.
I get more love from my DS than my very expensive PC, why throw more money out in the bin?

EDIT:...Erm, not so much...http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/devilmaycry3specialedition/news.html?sid=6143489

[Blacklord]

My opinion: Vista is a piece of shit. It is the EXACT same thing as XP service pack 3. Microsoft are so shitting themselfs: ooo we made glass transparency. That is the only thing they did add exept IE 7 which is available on XP. Vista is a waste of money.

[Doomulation]

It is not the same as SP3. It's a lot of bells and whistles and a whole new foundation and more security, yada yada. But I agree: it will not be worth it for the price.

[WhiteX]

If all the games and emus we like to play were released on Linux as well, Windows would be a waste of money.

[ScottJC]

If all the games and emus we like to play were released on Linux as well, Windows would be a waste of money.
Wishful thinking but thats never going to happen in our lifetime.

[WhiteX]

Oh, yes most likely never, unless a rich dude throws money at it and expect profit, but then Linux would prolly be a crappy as Windows.

[Miretank]

My opinion: Vista is a piece of shit. It is the EXACT same thing as XP service pack 3. Microsoft are so shitting themselfs: ooo we made glass transparency. That is the only thing they did add exept IE 7 which is available on XP. Vista is a waste of money.
As said before, won't be the same thing.
Adding the fact the IE 7 is already avaible on XP (very buggy imo btw), you also can have Windows Vista (put the build number here) SideBar running under XP. It's not all, everyone may know that Window Blinds 5 supports pixel-per-pixel transparency, so it's already possible to have transparent window frames and borders. M$ already put its finger on this and prohibited KoL, the guy who made the best Vista skin for WB5 (for XP of course), of distributing his Window Blinds theme. What a shame Microsoft...

In fact I'm waiting anxiously for SP3, it'll have more security updates of course and I'm expecting an addition of new features on XP. Not all the features on Vista, but at least the more useful.

[smcd]

@WhiteX, WINE is improving quite nicely and can run most games and programs (seems to have a bit of problems with COM objects and a few other things though) so maybe one day "most" programs will be available under linux, at least on x86 machines :)

[Alchemist]

Wine has major issues with direct x and copy protection; though cedega is progressing nicely, using windows apps on linux kinda defeats the purpose.

What I started this thread saying was that, though Vista appears slightly disapointing Microsoft Corp. has made the effort to make their operating system run more smoothly. Namely, the new video drivers will help to boost our hardware power; this includes the new DX10 specific games.

Some people just have a chip on their shoulder for Microsoft. God forbid the company actually wants to make money! Since when is that the point of business? Seriously, Mac has been charging exhorbitent prices for their products for years (only recently ended by the Mac mini), but they have a polished product. Microsoft took the opposite approach, make an easy to distribute operating system that is cheap; what they had to sacrifice was quality. And guess what? We all buy these products. So stop whining. If you hate Microsoft, just go away and use something else. I personally, have a dual boot Kubuntu and Xp system.

[WhiteX]

@WhiteX, WINE is improving quite nicely and can run most games and programs (seems to have a bit of problems with COM objects and a few other things though) so maybe one day "most" programs will be available under linux, at least on x86 machines :)

I´ll look more into it, i know jack about Linux right now.

[Doomulation]

Wine has major issues with direct x and copy protection; though cedega is progressing nicely, using windows apps on linux kinda defeats the purpose.

What I started this thread saying was that, though Vista appears slightly disapointing Microsoft Corp. has made the effort to make their operating system run more smoothly. Namely, the new video drivers will help to boost our hardware power; this includes the new DX10 specific games.

Some people just have a chip on their shoulder for Microsoft. God forbid the company actually wants to make money! Since when is that the point of business? Seriously, Mac has been charging exhorbitent prices for their products for years (only recently ended by the Mac mini), but they have a polished product. Microsoft took the opposite approach, make an easy to distribute operating system that is cheap; what they had to sacrifice was quality. And guess what? We all buy these products. So stop whining. If you hate Microsoft, just go away and use something else. I personally, have a dual boot Kubuntu and Xp system.
Do beware that microsoft is struggling for market dominance, and has been using illegal means of doing so. Microsoft is upgradings its OS to make sure to conquer out other OSes, such as Linux, and to make more companies and people buy their Operating System. That's all.

[arnalion]

Winex supports direct3d. Why use IE when microsoft don't follow the web standards that exists? They're trying to create new standards all the time that only IE can use.

EDIT: BTW i saw a test between windows and wine some time ago. They ran applications and games in wine and compared to windows. Wine won atleast half of the tests lol

[Blacklord]

You know what i think? I think Bill Gates should be shot and his money given to poor people. That will teach em to try to suck every penny out all computer users and choke all other OS providers. I mean i like Windows and microsoft in general but i don't like their way of getting on top. It's the buyers decision not theirs.

[arnalion]

I hate microsoft and windows so...

[Blacklord]

XD Then why do you use Windows? :D

[Miretank]

Cause the Windows rules over the world... :\ It's necessary nowadays. Though Linux is growing fast, and more effectively.

[Clements]

:plain:
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400 for an OS...

Windows 2003 Server OEM alone is around £499.00 in the UK. So that is $869.31.

Windows 2003 Enterprise OEM costs over $1500:

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Windows+2003+Enterprise+OEM&btnG=Search

[arnalion]

XD Then why do you use Windows? :D

I only use windows because i want the ability to play "all" games.

[Blacklord]

So true. Well like before lets hope Bill Gates trips and falls over a cliff.

[Alchemist]

So true. Well like before lets hope Bill Gates trips and falls over a cliff.

How many millions have you spent on humanitarian aid, hmm? I'm guessing like, none. Gates, however, has. Yes, he's the leader of a multi-billion dollar enterprise; yes, his operating system is dominant. Does that make him a bad human being? Doubtful.

The pure fact of it is, no one is forcing Windows down your throat! There are choices. If you hate Microsoft, USE THEM, and stop this childish whining.

[ScottJC]

How many millions have you spent on humanitarian aid, hmm? I'm guessing like, none. Gates, however, has. Yes, he's the leader of a multi-billion dollar enterprise; yes, his operating system is dominant. Does that make him a bad human being? Doubtful.

The pure fact of it is, no one is forcing Windows down your throat! There are choices. If you hate Microsoft, USE THEM, and stop this childish whining.
Couldn't agree more, people who say they won't use vista will all be using it by the end of this decade, It is almost a certainty... grow up people. Stop whining and use Linux if you hate Microsoft so much - fact of the matter is without Microsoft, this world would be ruled by another OS - probably Linux and we'd hate them equally as much.

[WhiteX]

As I said, if Linux was to lead, it would be as crappy as windows.
My beef now is with PC gaming.

[Miretank]

I really can't blame Windows and Microsoft as long I use the software. I'm satisfied with it, it surely makes its work for my needs.

For Linux, I like it very much, I've used FC 3 and the old Mandrake. But as I'm using PC just for fun, I don't have why to use it while now.

Now that Microsoft could be a less greed with their products, hell yes, they could be.

[arnalion]

no comment

[Alchemist]

no comment

For once, thank God.

[arnalion]

Arnalion fires a bullet on Alchemist :P

[gokuss4]

Damn interesting thread, I haven't read anything on emutalk with this quality in a while. :p

About Vista, I don't know too much about it, but some of the stuff sounds promising, the real thing I have a beef is with the DX10 and Halo 2 exclusive support. I was hoping for H2 to come on the PC for a long time, but now I find out it'll be Vista exclusive. :ranting::gunman: I need to catch up on my PC stuff.

I like using XP, it works well enough for me. I don't have any problems. I don't load any extra crap drivers. my system bar is pretty much empty. I like it simple, yet with security. Just keep your system clean and organized and you're good to go. ;)

edit: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6143883/p-4.html

[arnalion]

http://news.com.com/Vista%20wont%20show%20fancy%20side%20to% 20pirates/2100-1016_3-6060700.html

[Miretank]

What the fuck? No Aero?
What is Vista then? :P

Microsoft is getting annoying now. $400 to have an Aero shit?

[Blacklord]

i told you didn't i?

[WhiteX]

Ppl will pirate Aero too. :P

Vista looks like will blow like Me.

[Miretank]

That's why we love: Window Blinds 5. :P

[t0rek]

I've seen screenshots of Aero running, but I'm interested in watching a video, to see the animations moving, if you know what I mean

[ScottJC]

That's why we love: Window Blinds 5. :P
I disagree - Window Blinds 5 is the massivest resource hog of them all, sure you get transparency and other fancy things but at a cost, I prefer Style XP as it uses windows own skinning engine to render. Also nothing Microsoft does will prevent it from being pirated - Microsoft think they're invincible until someone on the same day as their release cracks it.

Remember this: Companies like to bluff. The general public might believe their shit but I don't.

[Miretank]

I disagree - Window Blinds 5 is the massivest resource hog of them all, sure you get transparency and other fancy things but at a cost, I prefer Style XP as it uses windows own skinning engine to render. Also nothing Microsoft does will prevent it from being pirated - Microsoft think they're invincible until someone on the same day as their release cracks it.

Remember this: Companies like to bluff. The general public might believe their shit but I don't.
Nevar! :P
Windows Blinds 5 is not eating away resources like you think, it doesn't even appear on the task manager. What I know, from my own experience, is that consumes some graphics card power and may disturb some D3D apps. On emulators it disturbs a bit (depending on the plugin you're using, and I'm saying in windowed resolution), the glass borders get black. But press Alt+enter and you'll play in fullscreen normally, and in full speed. If you press Alt+Enter to turn on window again, the borders will be glassy. :)

Definately, WB5 is worthy if you want the "Glass Experience".

StyleXP is pure shitware. If you mentioned it due the fact of changing skins, actually you can use the Uxtheme.dll Patch and be free from all the crap it is - Style XP surely EATS MEMORY like a hell. But normal Windows Visual Styles can't do pixel-per-pixel transparency - and thats what Window Blinds do and that's what I (and all those who want try out transparent window borders) am looking for.

"Also nothing Microsoft does will prevent it from being pirated - Microsoft think they're invincible until someone on the same day as their release cracks it."
Ah, of coursa. Vista will become cracked for sure. h41L warez0r!

[ScottJC]

Hmm, it has been a while since i've used windowblinds right enough... back when my PC was a pile of trash and all - i decided to give it another try. I have the Vista Theme running now haha - it really does look authentic....

I haven't quite figured out how to get the "Glass" experience though ;) - to be honest I like this theme quite a lot.

[Miretank]

It really depends with theme you're trying to run. The best theme I've got that is really like Vista is Vista 5308. The window borders are transparent, more the taskbar. Take a look at it.

[ScottJC]

Any chance of a link to where I can get that version of the theme?

[Agozer]

Any chance of a link to where I can get that version of the theme?
IIRC, wasn't this theme reomved from most theme sites because Microsoft stepped in and said that it violates the EULA?

[Miretank]

Nope, m$ prohibited the author to distribute that theme. :P
i'll send it to ya

EDIT: @Agozer, the first theme removed was VistaXP. Now, this one. :\
EDIT2: Damn Scott, you don't receive PMs. :P
EDIT3: If anyone more wants that theme, pm me.

[ScottJC]

Funny you should edit2 just after I enabled them, hahah. Irony. Cheers!

Edit1: Running theme now, seems pretty good - indeed.

[Miretank]

Haha, yesh, that's what happened. :P
Plus the skin, you have a lot of Vista icon sets floating around the net...

[Blacklord]

I say if you hate memory hogs patch your uxtheme. To me it is the best sollution. But you can't get transparency.

[Miretank]

Just tell me WHAT eats memory in WB5.

Take a screenshot of your memory usage WITH and then WITHOUT WB5, you'll see its almost the same - moreover, people only use Window Blinds when they want their PC looking good.
I have only 512Mb of RAM and a 64Mb GPU, and it runs perfectly here. No excuses. But if you only want to change for simply skins, try uxtheme then. Do not forget that even uxtheme uses memory.