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Jaz
May 17th, 2003, 19:35
Just curious who are the smokers amongst us? And the chosen brand for the minority who are..

Personally I'd go for Lucky Strike.
Davemc
May 17th, 2003, 19:46
I don't smoke, used to now and then, but thankfully not enough to get addicted.
Eagle
May 17th, 2003, 19:47
Why Smoke?

Its bad points:
It kills you.

Its good points:
It kills you.

Hmmm. Tough choice there.
Eagle
May 17th, 2003, 19:48
My brother says we need cigarettes though. They weed out the morons.
Jaz
May 17th, 2003, 19:49
Originally posted by Eagle
Why Smoke?

Just asking who does and who dosen't. I think we're all aware of the consequences of doing it. :P
AlphaWolf
May 17th, 2003, 19:55
Originally posted by Eagle
My brother says we need cigarettes though. They weed out the morons.

Natural selection ;)

Something that may piss off a lot of foreigners though, tobacco is one of the US's largest exports.

I would sell cigarettes, but I would never smoke em myself.
vampireuk
May 17th, 2003, 20:27
My brother says we need cigarettes though. They weed out the morons.

While giving your good old citizens the chance to sue to tobacco companies for billions ;) I use to smoke everynow and again. I don't know but I still don't whine about others smoking ;):P
Harteex
May 17th, 2003, 20:45
I don't smoke.
Quip
May 17th, 2003, 21:49
I only smoke when I drink otherwise I dont like to smoke.

Weed on the otherhand, I can smoke all day.:drool:
Remote
May 17th, 2003, 21:51
Used to smoke for a couple of years ago until I went over to 'snus', it's sweet flavored, roasted tobaco that you put under the lip...

Btw, Jaz did you see Villenuvues qualifaction today, seems like if he has lost his edge... :happy:
KingTom
May 17th, 2003, 22:59
I don't smoke. I used to hate it, but now i don't mind it
There's a guy on the farm(about 38) that hasn't smoked marijuana for a year, and only grows enough to pay for his cigarettes. :)
sheesh, people(older, political types mostly) say that the cheeb is harder to quit, but this buddy just decided not to do it anymore
CpU MasteR
May 17th, 2003, 23:28
People who smoke diserve to die anyway. :getlost:
Jaz
May 17th, 2003, 23:36
Originally posted by Remote
Btw, Jaz did you see Villenuvues qualifaction today, seems like if he has lost his edge... :happy:

*lol* Nah, he's just running a heavy fuel load for the race. Just look at the Friday times, he was 4th fastest with an equal fuel load as everyone else. :P
Davemc
May 17th, 2003, 23:47
In my post I was gonna put something about Jaz only smoked Lucky Strike because they sponsor BAR, but couldn't really be arsed.
BAR need to go back to their 1999 colour scheme :)
Jaz
May 17th, 2003, 23:53
Originally posted by dayve
BAR need to go back to their 1999 colour scheme :)

The zipper?! ;)
Gent
May 17th, 2003, 23:57
Originally posted by Eagle
My brother says we need cigarettes though. They weed out the morons.


Obviously your brother smoked then


Originally posted by CpU MasteR
People who smoke diserve to die anyway. :getlost:

:plain:
Davemc
May 18th, 2003, 00:00
You can't deny Gent of his pipe y'know...
AlphaWolf
May 18th, 2003, 04:13
While I hate cigarettes, I would hate it if everybody just stopped smoking. Cigarette taxes pay for most of the medicare and medicaid taxes so that I don't have to, this way the poor can get the same kind of medical treatment that you get in the UK or canada. :satisfied
ra5555
May 18th, 2003, 06:00
Smokers help the community. They generate jobs, provides founds for government education programs. Smokers save lives; many public safety campaigns are basically made available by cigarette taxes. Thus, in a way smokers are Selfless individuals who voluntarily gave up their own lives for the good of the society.

Ironically, Just like bad smokers, drivers who speed pay tickets are the main source of income for the police who ticket them.

PS: I don't smoke :happy:
2fast4u
May 19th, 2003, 09:20
Originally posted by AlphaWolf
While I hate cigarettes, I would hate it if everybody just stopped smoking. Cigarette taxes pay for most of the medicare and medicaid taxes so that I don't have to, this way the poor can get the same kind of medical treatment that you get in the UK or canada. :satisfied

for once i halfway agree with you ;)

meh, i used to smoke once in a while but put a stop to it. i dont exactly miss it either.
vampireuk
May 19th, 2003, 13:45
/me lights up a cuban

what? :P
Quip
May 19th, 2003, 16:40
I would kill for a cuban cigar.

/me drops kicks Vampireuk and takes his cuban.

Now thats a cigar.

:teehee:
internalised
May 19th, 2003, 21:01
I hate smoking. It's killed 3 out of my 4 grandparents and is working on finishing off my mum's stepmother. Nasty stuff.
Clements
May 19th, 2003, 21:10
Even though I'm completely against smoking, I doubt it will ever be completely banned. Its just too popular, and generates more money for the National Health Service in the UK than the cost of treatment of smoking related diseases. I've noticed how the messages on the packs have become even more blatant, now in great big black and white writing with 'Smoking harms your baby' etc. Won't stop smokers quit though, only until society changes and views smoking as 'not a cool thing to do' will we see any improvement.
mightyrocket
May 19th, 2003, 21:18
Originally posted by Clements
I've noticed how the messages on the packs have become even more blatant, now in great big black and white writing with 'Smoking harms your baby' etc.
I know about this. Many people I know are going to buy much packs to collect the stickers!

I still remember someone who said: "I know when you are addicted to smoking. I smoke almost every day, and I'm still not addicted", and the funny of this is that he was serious :P .
AlphaWolf
May 20th, 2003, 00:13
Heres a chart of different causes of deaths compared with smoking:



CAUSES OF DEATH DEATHS % COMPARED TO SMOKING
Alcohol-induced deaths 19,086 04.4%
Assault (homicide) 16,831 03.9%
Drug-induced deaths 18,443 04.3%
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) disease 14,681 03.4%
Injury by firearms 28,839 06.7%
Motor Vehicle Accidents 46,378 10.8%

TOTAL OF ALL ABOVE 144,258 33.5%
Tagrineth
May 20th, 2003, 00:26
Your list is... odd, AlphaWolf.


Assault (homicide) 16,831 03.9%

Assault != homicide.

Any legalist will tell you, there is a big difference between assault and homicide.

Assault doesn't even have to be physical...
AlphaWolf
May 20th, 2003, 02:01
Originally posted by Tagrineth
Your list is... odd, AlphaWolf.



Assault != homicide.

Any legalist will tell you, there is a big difference between assault and homicide.

Assault doesn't even have to be physical...

The person who wrote this chart probably wanted to distinguish homicide with either a conventional weapon or no weapon at all (e.g. assault) from homicide by firearm. If you want to get realy technical, assault on its own does not imply death, hence they added the parenthesis :geek:
AlphaWolf
May 20th, 2003, 09:04
BTW, you all will get a kick out of this article:

http://europe.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/report/200205/28/smoking.html
vampireuk
May 20th, 2003, 10:00
Just for any uneducated people out there who are too ignorant to see past the word "fag". In Europe a cigarette is called a fag, well at least here :P
2fast4u
May 20th, 2003, 10:36
Originally posted by vampireuk
Just for any uneducated people out there who are too ignorant to see past the word "fag". In Europe a cigarette is called a fag, well at least here :P

lol :happy: only the europeans trapped on the island :satisfied
Slougi
May 20th, 2003, 12:12
Originally posted by 2fast4u
lol :happy: only the europeans trapped on the island :satisfied
You mean those queer people dressed in those queer clothes in their queer brick houses living on the other side of that queer pond? :D
Davemc
May 20th, 2003, 13:02
Fag-loving french is still a pretty class headline though.
vampireuk
May 20th, 2003, 14:22
Originally posted by Slougi
You mean those queer people dressed in those queer clothes in their queer brick houses living on the other side of that queer pond? :D

queer finish person put some clothes on!!

oh yeah, I went there:happy:
Harteex
May 20th, 2003, 16:38
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RJARRRPCGP
May 20th, 2003, 20:33
Originally posted by Harteex
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LOL!
Hacktarux
May 20th, 2003, 21:04
I don't smoke, i used to a few years ago, but i totally stopped.

The link Alphawolf posted doesn't surprise me at all. I just consider it's almost impossible to smoke more than french.

I'm curious to know how the cigarette's price influence consumption. Here the pack costs around 3.5€. How much does it cost in your country ?
mightyrocket
May 20th, 2003, 21:10
In Holland they costs 3,65 Euro for 25 cigarettes.
Martin
May 20th, 2003, 21:32
Hmm...I have this friend who is a cock smoker, does that count?

/me looks at dixon :happy:
Davemc
May 20th, 2003, 22:14
£3.50 here
AlphaWolf
May 20th, 2003, 23:14
Every single one of you guys is a homo though.
Jaz
May 20th, 2003, 23:22
Originally posted by Tagrineth
Your list is... odd, AlphaWolf.

You'll find fault with anything, won't you? :getlost:
vampireuk
May 21st, 2003, 14:19
Originally posted by Jaz
You'll find fault with anything, won't you? :getlost:

*shrug* women

:D
2fast4u
May 21st, 2003, 15:39
Originally posted by Martin
Hmm...I have this friend who is a cock smoker, does that count?

* Martin looks at dixon :happy:

sure does ... it kinda comes in context with that "fag"-word .. ;)
Talas
May 23rd, 2003, 13:23
Something that may piss off a lot of foreigners though, tobacco is one of the US's largest exports.

Something that may piss of US Americans though, tobacco came from the indians, beer from the czechs and cannabis from the asians.
:happy: Man, you always find something to show us how great th US are. Funny funny. :saint:
vampireuk
May 23rd, 2003, 13:33
Gaaaaaaaaargh!!

/me dies for cover
Quip
May 23rd, 2003, 18:10
Czech beer is good. any1 care for a drink.:beer:
AlphaWolf
May 23rd, 2003, 18:54
Originally posted by Talas
Something that may piss of US Americans though, tobacco came from the indians, beer from the czechs and cannabis from the asians.
:happy: Man, you always find something to show us how great th US are. Funny funny. :saint:

Hmm....why would that piss us off?
nephalim
May 23rd, 2003, 19:33
I smoke over a pack a day. And for some reason, even though I can't back it up nor will mention or discuss/debate it again, it's not going to kill me. That is not a logical statement, and even if i'm wrong and it does kill me I accept said responsibility. BTW, cigs could around SEVEN bucks here in NYC. Thank god for esmokes! Carton of waves $17. Can't beat that.

I was a heroin addict for 2 years, general opiates for 4. And now i'm in maintenance, and probably won't get out of it do to lack of a reason, and too much risk.

Yes, i'm sharing waaay too much, and nearly certain the only one on this board who can make a claim like that. But i'm bored, and feel like riling things up a bit, curious as to what the reaction might be I guess. Since i'm alone in my addiction, it feels good to spill the beans once in a while.

I think it's so much better to live your life to the fullest, even if it means taking risk. Heroin is a bit too much of a risk, I can't say I endorse it, i'm just speaking generally. Fear of death is a throwback animal instinct. I'm a hedonist all the way. Happiness is everything. Happiness is FAR more important than lifespan. But that's just me.
Heroin WOULD be included in a hedonistic philosophy if the highs stay great...which they don't.

(NOTE: I am NOT trying to glorify drug addiction)
AlphaWolf
May 23rd, 2003, 22:20
Originally posted by nephalim

I think it's so much better to live your life to the fullest, even if it means taking risk.

How do drugs and cigs make you live life to its fullest? I mean I fully understand thrill risks; If somebody gave me the opportunity to go skydiving, I would do it. Hell, I was still in the army serving on active duty on september 11th, my thoughts about going to war were mixed between both fear and excitement, yet I still wanted to see combat, fully understanding all of the risks. But see these are both things where you take risks to improve the quality of your life in some way.

Here are the potential outcomes of drugs:
A. You grow old as a lowlife.
B. You die early.

Either outcome you are fucked. I don't see how that can be living life to its fullest.
nephalim
May 23rd, 2003, 23:43
Dude, we were talking about hedonism and heroin there. You forgot:
Euphoric bliss.

Maybe "living life to it's fullest" wasn't the proper wording for that one little part...but it's a mixture between hedonism and freedom...my philosophy, at least...

However, heroin doesn't work (for hedonism, or euphoric bliss,) and I already pointed out why.
AlphaWolf
May 24th, 2003, 00:28
Well, I wouldn't call an addiction freedom, and when you aren't actualy on the drugs, you'll experience a bit of negative hedonism.
nephalim
May 24th, 2003, 04:18
Please read what i've said thoroughly before commenting on it.
AlphaWolf
May 24th, 2003, 07:44
Originally posted by nephalim
Please read what i've said thoroughly before commenting on it.

I know exactly what you said and I am refering to drugs in general, including tobacco.
sytaylor
May 24th, 2003, 16:02
I prefer alpha's version of living life for the risks..

Theres a difference between a natural joy, and an addiction. Addictions cannot be fun by their nature, they force you to do something you wouldn't under normal circumstances.

It reminds me of a quote i made of about a year ago..

Mortality is not an excuse to be stupid, its a reason not to be.

If you only get one shot, is wasting it really the way to be happy? You've gotta be more long sighted with life.. On the one hand its not going to last forever, on the other, you still have to live with the consequences of your actions.

I judge the sucess of my life on how happy I am given the circumstances I'm in. Not the physical state I'm in at any one moment.
vampireuk
May 24th, 2003, 18:54
It depends on how someone wants to live their life, to you smoking and taking drugs may not seem like fun. To others it is, it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really be right on this