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[Stezo2k]

Get PC133. It's backwards compatible and will probably be cheaper.

yeah, but its not worth upgrading sd ram though, wait for an upgrade so you can get ddr memory or dynamic memory if it ever gets popular

tangrineth, looks like you have dram (800mhz) any good?

i'd love to have ram like that, mines only 400Mhz, and its not being used to its full speed at all

 

[Tagrineth]

yeah, but its not worth upgrading sd ram though, wait for an upgrade so you can get ddr memory or dynamic memory if it ever gets popular

tangrineth, looks like you have dram (800mhz) any good?

i'd love to have ram like that, mines only 400Mhz, and its not being used to its full speed at all

Please try and be more informed before you post useless drivel like this.

The only way he could upgrade to DDR memory is if he got a whole new motherboard and CPU. That's obviously WAY past his budget.

DDR memory has a totally different pinout (different number of pins on the connector), and will physically not fit in an SDRAM slot.

Not only that, but the system for signalling DDR isn't compatible with SDRAM memory controllers.

And "Dynamic Memory"? Where do you get your computer info? What do you think SDRAM stands for?

I have DRDRAM, Dynamic Rambus DRAM. Single-channel DRDRAM is by definition awful. Basically it means I have one single 'line' of memory.

All Pentium 4 DRDRAM-using mainboards use Dual-Channel DRDRAM, which means they have two 'lines' of memory - the modules have to be installed in pairs, but you get much better performance that way.

On top of anything else, DRDRAM is pretty universally hated, except among serious P4 enthusiasts. Nobody trusts it, mostly because they can't get past how bad P3's get hurt by it.

Anyway, the thing is, this guy obviously can't get DDR because his motherboard will NOT accept it, period. He'd need a whole new system for that. He needs SDRAM, and SDRAM is cheap, therefore he might as well go ahead and get more of it.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I have DRDRAM, Dynamic Rambus DRAM. Single-channel DRDRAM is by definition awful. Basically it means I have one single 'line' of memory.

All Pentium 4 DRDRAM-using mainboards use Dual-Channel DRDRAM, which means they have two 'lines' of memory - the modules have to be installed in pairs, but you get much better performance that way.

On top of anything else, DRDRAM is pretty universally hated, except among serious P4 enthusiasts. Nobody trusts it, mostly because they can't get past how bad P3's get hurt by it.

Anyway, the thing is, this guy obviously can't get DDR because his motherboard will NOT accept it, period. He'd need a whole new system for that. He needs SDRAM, and SDRAM is cheap, therefore he might as well go ahead and get more of it.

Well, DDR SDRAM also seems to suffer just as badly when not dual-channel, bandwidth wise. Under PC Pitstop, I see Athlon PC systems get whooped by Pentium 4 PC systems with the cached disk bandwidth speed benchmark .

Pentium 4 PC systems often get a higher cached disk bandwidth speed
than Athlon PC systems. Often, a Pentium 4 PC system will get approximately
1000 MB/s for the cached disk bandwidth speed, while with Athlon PC systems,
you're lucky to get approximately 512 MB/s under the PC Pitstop cached disk bandwidth speed benchmark!

Also, BTW, I saw a review showing that a Radeon 9200 SE video card scored even WORSE than a GeForce FX 5200! That Radeon 9200 SE video card had a bad benchmark under 3DMark 2001 SE of approximately 4000 3D marks!
I wonder if even my DirectX 7 based Radeon 7000 can score that good?!

Shame on you, ATI for your Radeon 9200 SE!

 

[Roadkill]

thanks for the info Tagrineth, i saw a 256mb pc133 sd-ram at staples so now i plan to buy it.

 

[Tagrineth]

Well, DDR SDRAM also seems to suffer just as badly when not dual-channel, bandwidth wise. Under PC Pitstop, I see Athlon PC systems get whooped by Pentium 4 PC systems with the cached disk bandwidth speed benchmark .

Pentium 4 PC systems often get a higher cached disk bandwidth speed
than Athlon PC systems. Often, a Pentium 4 PC system will get approximately
1000 MB/s for the cached disk bandwidth speed, while with Athlon PC systems,
you're lucky to get approximately 512 MB/s under the PC Pitstop cached disk bandwidth speed benchmark!

Also, BTW, I saw a review showing that a Radeon 9200 SE video card scored even WORSE than a GeForce FX 5200! That Radeon 9200 SE video card had a bad benchmark under 3DMark 2001 SE of approximately 4000 3D marks!
I wonder if even my DirectX 7 based Radeon 7000 can score that good?!

Shame on you, ATI for your Radeon 9200 SE!

No, DDR doesn't suffer per se when not dual channel. Just that Athlon mainboards don't usually have the kind of absurdly awesome memory controllers that Intel's chipsets have. Historically, Intel has had very, very good memory performance on more or less any chipset, but especially on their more mature ones.

And yes, the 9200 SE is a pretty miserable card. ATi's SE cards are all low performers compared to the regular ones, and the 9200 is a very-low-end card to begin with. It's basically designed for the large business sector which doesn't need hardware 3D, just cheap, decent 2D.

 

[Stezo2k]

Anyway, the thing is, this guy obviously can't get DDR because his motherboard will NOT accept it, period.

If you read what i said, I said wait for an upgrade so he can use DDR-SD RAM, I did not ask for a flame war. Useless dribble eh? I was only asking how good that RAM you are using is, i know its single, i'm not stupid, i just wanted to know if it was better than DDR RAM due to it being 800MHz. I only asked a question, and was giving advice to the the guy who needed help with upgrading his RAM, just cause i don't know much about the type of RAM you are using, it isn't a reason to start a flame war, I won't flame back, I know better than that.

 

[Roadkill]

isn't worth the 300MHz improvement, RAM is the most effective upgrade, but in this case, a graphics card is, anything geforce 2/radeon 9000 or higher will do the job nicely

that advice was helpful

yeah, but its not worth upgrading sd ram though, wait for an upgrade so you can get ddr memory or dynamic memory if it ever gets popular

that advice wasnt

i was askin what does the pc66/100/133 mean on sdram, n it is worth upgradin my sdram for now, until i get a job n money for a new pc

btw, im not flamin u, just sayin

 

[Tagrineth]

If you read what i said, I said wait for an upgrade so he can use DDR-SD RAM, I did not ask for a flame war. Useless dribble eh? I was only asking how good that RAM you are using is, i know its single, i'm not stupid, i just wanted to know if it was better than DDR RAM due to it being 800MHz. I only asked a question, and was giving advice to the the guy who needed help with upgrading his RAM, just cause i don't know much about the type of RAM you are using, it isn't a reason to start a flame war, I won't flame back, I know better than that.

You were stupid, because you called it "Dynamic RAM" when, indeed, DDR SDRAM and SDRAM are also dynamic. ("Dynamic Random Access Memory").

Anyway, my post was mainly to educate you (as well as anyone else who cared to read it) what the different RAM technologies were, et al.

And besides that, an upgrade to his RAM is nonissue anyway as it's a dirt cheap, quick, and very easy upgrade to begin with. It won't exactly slow down his getting a new system.

 

[Stezo2k]

that advice was helpful

that advice wasnt

i was askin what does the pc66/100/133 mean on sdram, n it is worth upgradin my sdram for now, until i get a job n money for a new pc

btw, im not flamin u, just sayin

i agree i wasn't that helpful sugesting buying new DDR RAM, well the numbers mean the number of MHz they are, the faster they are, the faster they can operate at, faster RAM can work up to faster bus speeds, i'm pretty sure your motherboard bus is 133MHz, so pc133 would be the best solution if you wanted to upgrade your RAM

 

[Stezo2k]

You were stupid, because you called it "Dynamic RAM" when, indeed, DDR SDRAM and SDRAM are also dynamic. ("Dynamic Random Access Memory").

Anyway, my post was mainly to educate you (as well as anyone else who cared to read it) what the different RAM technologies were, et al.

And besides that, an upgrade to his RAM is nonissue anyway as it's a dirt cheap, quick, and very easy upgrade to begin with. It won't exactly slow down his getting a new system.

well i'm sorry you can't expect me to be perfect at everything, i am human probably due to not knowing much about that type of RAM.

I know it was to educate, I took it the wrong way and took offence

as for RAM, yeah it is fairly cheap, but being a student, it's still fairly pricey for me, thats why i specified waiting for an upgrade to use double data rate RAM.

And if he has more cash to spend, if he is a gamer i'd highly recomend a radeon over the 9200 models