So... what are we allowed to talk about these days?

[Stalkid64]

No need to try again. You can discuss ROMs on this board, and you can not discuss about leaked alphas. That's it, like it or not.

But I'm still baffled as to where this supposed "grey area" you mentioned exists...
This also shows why PM'ing would have zero influence on a topic held "in stasis". What would occur essentially? `The mods decision is final, no correspondance may be entered into.`
And like Jaz, I'm still waiting for the "why". I've been here a long time now and I've never seen this attitude with such things before. Discussion is discussion after all...

 

[Trotterwatch]

This also shows why PM'ing would have zero influence on a topic held "in stasis". What would occur essentially? `The mods decision is final, no correspondance may be entered into.`

The mods are not an unbending force y'know. If a good arguement is put forward as to why a certain topic should be allowed to continue, it would be looked at with all due consideration. If several mods, as well as users decided that it was fine (with in certain cases Martin having the final say so) then the topic would be given free for all post access once more.

I honestly hope that some things can be worked out, something which benefits all users is what we are aspiring to achieve. Mistakes have been made, and will continue to be made, progress has also been made (this topic alone, I hope proves that).

 

[Eddy]

Emutalk needs some new blood. I want to return to the days where i checked the message boards daily and saw real good conversations

 

[AlphaWolf]

/me swings a claw across Eddy's jugular and spills blood all over

You happy now? :devil:

 

[sytaylor]

The mods are not an unbending force y'know. If a good arguement is put forward as to why a certain topic should be allowed to continue, it would be looked at with all due consideration. If several mods, as well as users decided that it was fine (with in certain cases Martin having the final say so) then the topic would be given free for all post access once more.

I honestly hope that some things can be worked out, something which benefits all users is what we are aspiring to achieve. Mistakes have been made, and will continue to be made, progress has also been made (this topic alone, I hope proves that).

thats a very good point, i certainly remember a topic i got dude to open because it was a genuine case of closed without being looked at.. theres sense in the mods somewhere :thumbsup:

 

[RatTrap]

well.. if you say marty said no.. then i guess it would be a "rule".. but i have to agree with the ppl who are interested in knowing why.. the following is my personal thoughts and how i am thinking.. not any kinds of rules or requests..



i'm not arguing just coz of arguing.. i'm only arguing bcoz of what i find to be right.. my personal views.. after all i'm not a mod in here.. so i consider myself to be just another user..

but i'm also not just arguing coz i would be interested in going into such kind of threads.. personally i'm against the whole leakd alpha type thing.. and i very rarelly download a game to actually play it.. usually i spend my last few bucks and eat rise the rest of the month just for those 3 good games i needed that month.. so it's not about me wanting to discuss the alpha eather..

and about roms being a grey area.. that's just for the general public.. if you ask someone like an ad-company.. they'll just be like.. "eh.. yah we don't know if we want to support you guys.. see emulation is kind of abit ilegal or sumthing".. they'll say that bcoz they are not informed.. if they understood that the discussion here where only about emulators.. that is.. if they actually only where about emulators and nothing more.. like lets say.. pj64 playing a demo rom of some kind that someone made on his PC.. and nothing that involved a comercial game.. then they would know it's in the "white" area..

or.. if they knew that we discuss how to get zelda working perfectly on this or that hardware with pj64 they would know it's not white nor grey.. but eh.. black .. wich is what we today do.. and everyone knows that so that's no big secret..

but we hide that somehow.. we talk about alot more things..

that's the reason ET itself ends up in the grey area.. imagine the company having to check thru all the posts on this board to find out where this website stands.. imagine the time and manpower and the cost..

it's not that emulation is in a grey area.. it's not.. it's what we do with it that can stand on eather side.. and since companies can't be bothered to check all of us.. they can't tell.. so it ends up in a grey area..


an alpha like the one in the discussion you had Stalkid.. ends up in the black area.. you know why.. you don't have to ask.. but yeah.. what most ppl in ET do everyday.. also ends up in the black area.. so that is the big problem i guess.. since what we allready do is far away from being grey allready.. then why not talk bout the alpha too?.. my guess is marty feels.. why make it worse then it allready is.....


the thing is.. that i see..

if you alow one.. you should alow the other.. i've said that b4 i know.. but it's just simply because if your not alowing this.. then maybe all help with running commersial games on x emulator should also not be alowed.. know what i mean?.. coz that makes the site stay in the grey area too.. if the intention is to go back to the white area then that is what should be donne..

if not.. ah well.. allow both things.. unless you guys are afraid it could ruin the forum somehow.. like have some company pull up a blowtorch at ET or send some italians with a volvo over to Martys place..

another 2 cents.. pfft i keep losin ma moneys..

 

[vampireuk]

I think Dude actually explained the "why" stalkid on the other page.

I still think this idea everyone has about us mods locking a topic for no reason is complete BS, and if a thread does get locked that shouldnt it will no doubt be unlocked. Is it that impossible for people to just let something so damn insignificant go?lain2:

 

[RatTrap]

vampi .. i'm starting to see why this topic has gotten so eeek.. long.. and why ppl aren't letting the mods locking threads thing go..



every now and then i see a post from one or more mods that say something short about what's legal and what isn't..

and then fills the screen with more than 3 rows of about the problems of locking and unlocking the threads..

then some of us follow that for a full page of posts and then..

someone comes along.. and says a short line about locking and unlocking.. and then 3 to 5 lines about the rules and legal and ilegal stuff..

and then we talk about that for a page or so again etc etc..

this is why we aren't getting anything donne in this topic.. we're discussing 2 things and it makes it to easy to change the convo and then go back again.. so i bet the same things have been said over and over not nesesarilly being the right answers to anything..

i know both things are relative to eachother.. but that don't make it 1 discussion.. first things first i think.. second is second.. and in this case.. i think the first answer needed in this thread is why and what is aloud to discuss about.. then talk about what should be donne with it.. close or open or ban or whatever..

first the action.. then the reaction.. plz.. so we can actually end this topic..

 

[jvolel]

Don't know if i've said this already but ET use to be a more friendly and enjoyable emu site to visit, 2 or more years ago nowadays half of the threads get closed for gawd knows what reason. Most of the users and mods (mainly mods, well some of them, excluding most of the ones that where here for a while like gent,smiff,...and whomever am missing) are really bitchy they'll close a thread for sometimes no reason and shun you if you dare say a word about it, as for the users some do complain a bit too much (yeah ive had my share of complaints, all 2 of them) but still.... lain2:

 

[vampireuk]

Most of the users and mods (mainly mods, well some of them, excluding most of the ones that where here for a while like gent,smiff,...and whomever am missing) are really bitchy they'll close a thread for sometimes no reason and shun you if you dare say a word about it, as for the users some do complain a bit too much (yeah ive had my share of complaints, all 2 of them) but still.... lain2:

Rattums I kind of see your point now

jvolel provide some evidence to your claim of this, because I have seen the forums get better lately since the mods have started clamping down. I still stand by saying this should have been dealt with through pm's. Again jvolel there is nothing that will annoy me more than claims of things that we have not done lain2:

are really bitchy they'll close a thread for sometimes no reason and shun you if you dare say a word about it,

jvolel I went over your past posts and noticed that the vast majority of the threads you have posted in are still actually open! and the ones that are closed are full of spam and off topic conversations:innocent:

 

[Eddy]

And then we have people like AlphaWolf, who make this place all the better lain2:

ET has gotten faster, has grown in users, and has more topics than ever before, but it just doesnt have that thing it had back in the days of pj 1.0, after 1.4 the boards got gay with alot of newbies and threads being closed, new members comin in and dissing people, it got old quick. This is just my opinion, not a solution, or a problem, just the way et evolved.

People like RatTrap and stalkid are real cool people to have conversations with on the message board. Stalkid made really good posts also. But hey, shit happens

 

[jvolel]

Rattums I kind of see your point now

jvolel provide some evidence to your claim of this, because I have seen the forums get better lately since the mods have started clamping down. I still stand by saying this should have been dealt with through pm's. Again jvolel there is nothing that will annoy me more than claims of things that we have not done lain2:



jvolel I went over your past posts and noticed that the vast majority of the threads you have posted in are still actually open! and the ones that are closed are full of spam and off topic conversations:innocent:

ok well i stand corrected :satisfied
come to think of it there was a topic (if am not mistaken) in the waay off topic fourms that was close, which may have been reopened now. In my opinion no topic should be closed in that part of the fourm mainly because it is a part of the fourms to place waaay off topic subjects. hell you should be able to talk about your pet monkey gorge if you wanted too lol.

The thread was about someone showing a pic of there girlfriend that had gotten closed (mind you it was in the off topic thread).. i don't recall exactly what topic it was since it was a while ago so i can't provide exact evidence of when it got closed. My only guess is that the thread contained nude pics of the girl or girls. If thats the case then i understand why it was closed other then that, i don't see why it was closed. Ill try to find the thread when i get a chance

 

[bodie]

ok well i stand corrected :satisfied
come to think of it there was a topic (if am not mistaken) in the waay off topic fourms that was close, which may have been reopened now. In my opinion no topic should be closed in that part of the fourm mainly because it is a part of the fourms to place waaay off topic subjects. hell you should be able to talk about your pet monkey gorge if you wanted too lol.

The thread was about someone showing a pic of there girlfriend that had gotten closed (mind you it was in the off topic thread).. i don't recall exactly what topic it was since it was a while ago so i can't provide exact evidence of when it got closed. My only guess is that the thread contained nude pics of the girl or girls. If thats the case then i understand why it was closed other then that, i don't see why it was closed. Ill try to find the thread when i get a chance

I didn't close that thread which i believe may be the babe thread but can understand why someone closed it, it makes life more interesting to come to a forum and read new topics on various subjects which expand your mind. what i hate to see is an ancient thread brought back from the dead because someone wants to add a "yes you're right" comment after a couple of months, it makes the forum seem stale very quickly ..It's also getting tiresome to keep hearing about the amount of threads being closed because at the moment THAT amount is not that great .. Not to put too fine a point on it but i have had threads closed whilst writing a message, it's no biggie you just move onto something new .. this is how i have always seen it as both a user and a moderator .. We may as well let this 'mod power' thing go because at the end of the day we are here to help and without us the forum would be a very vicious place to be and in all probability wouldn't survive for long
regards bodie

 

[vampireuk]

Amen bodie, we are here yo help believe it or not and you may not agree with it but most of the threads you are refering to had to be closed. Again I agree with bodie it sounds like we are closing every thread just because we can. Look in the majority of the forums, pretty much every topic locked is spam or has something against the rules.

 

[Jaz]

I didn't close that thread which i believe may be the babe thread but can understand why someone closed it

I started, and closed the Baaabe Thread. It was just time. lain:

 

[Stalkid64]

Amazing... once again, off-topic and once again I'm not responsible. This is disconcerting...

Proposal then - Why not let people discuss the Game Which Cannot Be Named if they wish, even if it means we can't even directly refer to it by name, or even on the understanding that mentions of obvious p2p software would get it closed? Anyone joining in would obviously already need to know what we were talking about and have gotten it for themselves after all.

How would that ever be seen as promotion of illegal software if it goes without name or specifics, which as I read it were the supposed problem with the original thread? Interesting point IMHO.

Personally I'd love a nice discussion on `editor`techniques (damn DM spawnpoints...) or even the same old config/fps stuff we had before, even if it does have to be done under stupidly constricting circumstances.

 

[vampireuk]

Amazing... once again, off-topic and once again I'm not responsible. This is disconcerting

no we are not, read the past few posts. They are about moderating standards which is part of the topic of this entire thread:innocent:

Although that idea of yours seems ok to me as long as there would be no direct references to what is been discussed, sounds fair to me.

 

[jvolel]

I started, and closed the Baaabe Thread. It was just time. lain:

ahh ok that explains it.. if a mod opens a thread, he has absolute power over it....just like if i opened a thread and decide to delete it.... but my point stands that no matter how silly a thread in (the waay off topic thread, and off topic) is it should never be closed unless there are some pretty sick stuff in there...

 

[RatTrap]

there have been some pretty sick stuff in there .. enugh to start flame wars..

i remember a sertain young fellow saying his girlfriend was that famous tennis player babe.. kornikova?.. i think..

as for this being off topic.. well.. i was about to quote bodie.. and say.. "what this does have to do with anything"..

ppl have gonne off topic saying many things in this thread.. among those things have been that the mods are power hungry..

this is not the topic of this thread if you read the first post..

it started as a question.. that has yet not been answered.. only restricted to the fact that it is not wanted.. so i still take stalkid's side on things..

you guys are still talking about the reaction when what you should be considering your time and thoughts is with the action.. like i said on my last post..

 

[bodie]

there have been some pretty sick stuff in there .. enugh to start flame wars..

i remember a sertain young fellow saying his girlfriend was that famous tennis player babe.. kornikova?.. i think..

as for this being off topic.. well.. i was about to quote bodie.. and say.. "what this does have to do with anything"..

ppl have gonne off topic saying many things in this thread.. among those things have been that the mods are power hungry..

this is not the topic of this thread if you read the first post..

it started as a question.. that has yet not been answered.. only restricted to the fact that it is not wanted.. so i still take stalkid's side on things..

you guys are still talking about the reaction when what you should be considering your time and thoughts is with the action.. like i said on my last post..

Yes i agree this thread as become somewhat of a mess and as pretty much veered off the track..time to get back on topic and stop with the moderator baiting people.. and it's ok to quote me ratters, i do it all the time