Schibo's campaign to spam the spammers
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Kaoss626
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disabling this _should_ be safe
the only _real_ use for windows messaging is for IT personell or system admins to send messages that umptifratz server will be going down.
Also APC uninteruptable power supplies use windows messaging. Other than that I cant think of too many other things.
Windows messaging service is completely NOT related to MSNmessenger or Yahoo or any other.
the messenger service is accessed by the NET commmands SEND ( commonly called NET SEND) run line option or also by other server software and sent to the client by system name or IP address.
as for spamming them.. may I suggest you look for a program called avalanch.exe and that way you can send them 10000 or more emails from a completly fictitous IP and email. After a few thousand emails their server should give up the ghost and quit untill it gets rebooted. However I'm not enitrly sure about the legality of doing this, so its a suggestion not a recommendation. Also you might try to obtain the IP the message came from because it may or may not be the IP that the email server is at. You may annoy them or flood their email and never touch the server that is causing your annoyance
the only _real_ use for windows messaging is for IT personell or system admins to send messages that umptifratz server will be going down.
Also APC uninteruptable power supplies use windows messaging. Other than that I cant think of too many other things.
Windows messaging service is completely NOT related to MSNmessenger or Yahoo or any other.
the messenger service is accessed by the NET commmands SEND ( commonly called NET SEND) run line option or also by other server software and sent to the client by system name or IP address.
as for spamming them.. may I suggest you look for a program called avalanch.exe and that way you can send them 10000 or more emails from a completly fictitous IP and email. After a few thousand emails their server should give up the ghost and quit untill it gets rebooted. However I'm not enitrly sure about the legality of doing this, so its a suggestion not a recommendation. Also you might try to obtain the IP the message came from because it may or may not be the IP that the email server is at. You may annoy them or flood their email and never touch the server that is causing your annoyance
Kaoss626
New member
just remembered another alternative
CAUTION: this is probably about as legal as my last suggestion
look for a program called tosser.exe
tosser will send pings (as many as you want) to a designated IP. From a fictitious IP.
if you get enough people doing this at once you get essentailly a distributed denyal of service (thats why I doubt this one is legal)
really, I'm a nice guy. I just file away mean vindictive ways of getting even, it does not mean that I do them. Usually I firewall out obnoxious IPs. I dont have time to deal with their crap.
WARNING: another word of warning both avalance and tosser will apear to anti virus programs as trojan software due to their design intent which is to form some kind of denial of service.
CAUTION: this is probably about as legal as my last suggestion
look for a program called tosser.exe
tosser will send pings (as many as you want) to a designated IP. From a fictitious IP.
if you get enough people doing this at once you get essentailly a distributed denyal of service (thats why I doubt this one is legal)
really, I'm a nice guy. I just file away mean vindictive ways of getting even, it does not mean that I do them. Usually I firewall out obnoxious IPs. I dont have time to deal with their crap.
WARNING: another word of warning both avalance and tosser will apear to anti virus programs as trojan software due to their design intent which is to form some kind of denial of service.
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Kaoss626
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its kind of hard to get a true defintion of the differences between the two messengers as they are very different. Why you have pictures that look remotly like windows messenger service in your MSN messenger directory I have no idea. To really understand the differences you have to realize that to use MSN messenger you have to log on to MSN's messenger service. This is done with a program that meets the MSN messenger protocall below (MSN messenger, trillian, everybuddy). To utilize Windows Messenger service all you need is a good understanding of the NET command and its console line options like send and a few others. This is described below in the link to net send.
MSN messenger protocall:
http://www.venkydude.com/articles/msn.htm
what microsoft has to say about messenger service spam:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;330904
(cuts ands pastes from what microsoft has to say)
CAUSE
This issue occurs if you are sent anet send message by someone who is using the Messenger service in Windows. The Messenger service is a Windows service that transmits net send messages and messages that are sent through the Alerter service between client computers and servers. For example, the Messenger service can be used by network administrators to send administrative alerts to network users. The Messenger service can also be used by Windows and other software programs. For example, Windows may use it to inform you when a print job is completed or when you lose power to your computer and switch to a uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Your antivirus program may use the Messenger service to send you notifications. The Messenger service is not related to your Web browser, e-mail program, Windows Messenger, or MSN Messenger. This issue may occur if the following conditions exist:
The Messenger service is started.
The Remote Procedure Call service is started.
Inbound NetBIOS (NetBIOS over TCP/IP) and UDP broadcast traffic is turned on for your Internet connection.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, install or turn on a firewall that blocks inbound NetBIOS and UDP broadcast traffic. The method that you use to resolve this issue depends on your operating system and how you connect to the Internet. The following sections provide examples of several different configurations and possible methods of resolution.
If you are running Windows XP and connect to the Internet directly (by using a cable modem, a DSL modem, or a dial-up modem, for example), install Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) and turn on Internet Connection Firewall (ICF). By default, the installation of Windows XP SP1 allows Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) to block all incoming traffic (unicast, multicast, and broadcast).
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, turn off the Messenger service. To do so, follow these steps:
Click Start, and then click Control Panel (or point to Settings, and then click Control Panel).
Double-click Administrative Tools.
Double-click Services.
Double-click Messenger.
In the Startup type list, click Disabled.
Click Stop, and then click OK.
microsoft says this about using net send:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;168893
more info on the spam windows (less detailed than microsoft but probably easier to understand)
http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/docs/messagepopup/
MSN messenger protocall:
http://www.venkydude.com/articles/msn.htm
what microsoft has to say about messenger service spam:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;330904
(cuts ands pastes from what microsoft has to say)
CAUSE
This issue occurs if you are sent anet send message by someone who is using the Messenger service in Windows. The Messenger service is a Windows service that transmits net send messages and messages that are sent through the Alerter service between client computers and servers. For example, the Messenger service can be used by network administrators to send administrative alerts to network users. The Messenger service can also be used by Windows and other software programs. For example, Windows may use it to inform you when a print job is completed or when you lose power to your computer and switch to a uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Your antivirus program may use the Messenger service to send you notifications. The Messenger service is not related to your Web browser, e-mail program, Windows Messenger, or MSN Messenger. This issue may occur if the following conditions exist:
The Messenger service is started.
The Remote Procedure Call service is started.
Inbound NetBIOS (NetBIOS over TCP/IP) and UDP broadcast traffic is turned on for your Internet connection.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, install or turn on a firewall that blocks inbound NetBIOS and UDP broadcast traffic. The method that you use to resolve this issue depends on your operating system and how you connect to the Internet. The following sections provide examples of several different configurations and possible methods of resolution.
If you are running Windows XP and connect to the Internet directly (by using a cable modem, a DSL modem, or a dial-up modem, for example), install Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) and turn on Internet Connection Firewall (ICF). By default, the installation of Windows XP SP1 allows Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) to block all incoming traffic (unicast, multicast, and broadcast).
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, turn off the Messenger service. To do so, follow these steps:
Click Start, and then click Control Panel (or point to Settings, and then click Control Panel).
Double-click Administrative Tools.
Double-click Services.
Double-click Messenger.
In the Startup type list, click Disabled.
Click Stop, and then click OK.
microsoft says this about using net send:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;168893
more info on the spam windows (less detailed than microsoft but probably easier to understand)
http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/docs/messagepopup/
Trotterwatch
Active member
Disable the messenger service then if you don't use it - it will not stop MSN from working.
Kaoss626
New member
Korn yes you do have Windows messenger service installed. ALL versons install it by default when you first load windows. ALL versions enable it by default when you install windows.
of corse it won't kill off MSN messenger if you disable it, the two are not related.
soapbox
@%$#^%@# Monkey$oft for naming these two completly different things (#$% one is a service, the other is an internet client) with nearly identical names. This leads people to belive they are related.
/soapbox
Windows Messenger service is NOT the same then as MSN messenger. Not even remotely. just reading the protocalls should make this obvious.
of corse it won't kill off MSN messenger if you disable it, the two are not related.
soapbox
@%$#^%@# Monkey$oft for naming these two completly different things (#$% one is a service, the other is an internet client) with nearly identical names. This leads people to belive they are related.
/soapbox
Windows Messenger service is NOT the same then as MSN messenger. Not even remotely. just reading the protocalls should make this obvious.
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jvolel
Destoryer of worlds
oh you guys didn't know how to stop that.. all you ahve to do is go to ..... settigns --> control panel --- > administrative Tools ----? services ----> go to messenger -----> select disable, and stop... and your good to go...but them you probably already know that :blush:
Kaoss626
New member
pj64er
I guess I never exactly got back to you on why there are those pictures in there.
Honestly I cant tell. I can't find anything that shows any relation between the two programs.
I do NOT have MSN messenger installed on my machine (I use Trillian Pro for MSN, AOL and yahoo). I belive XP installs it by default. so I am unable to browse the directory to confirm what you say. once installed it is like frigging gator as it integrates itself into outlook express. since I am using win2k and each machine (I have 3) have a profile for each member of the family I dont want it on my machines because you cant have just one profile that has it installed... noooooo monkey$oft makes sure that it constantly pops up on screens of people who dont want it or you (sysadmin) do not want them to have (ie my 8 yr old does NOT need MSN messenger.
I do however have windows messenging service installed. I do have it set to start on machine start. Outside people can not access my messenger service due to the fact that I am behind a gateway router that firewalls out inbound things like that.
however my family and I have (rather annoyingly) utilized the NET SEND command to pop windows on each others machines. its fun.... really.....
:getlost:
I guess I never exactly got back to you on why there are those pictures in there.
Honestly I cant tell. I can't find anything that shows any relation between the two programs.
I do NOT have MSN messenger installed on my machine (I use Trillian Pro for MSN, AOL and yahoo). I belive XP installs it by default. so I am unable to browse the directory to confirm what you say. once installed it is like frigging gator as it integrates itself into outlook express. since I am using win2k and each machine (I have 3) have a profile for each member of the family I dont want it on my machines because you cant have just one profile that has it installed... noooooo monkey$oft makes sure that it constantly pops up on screens of people who dont want it or you (sysadmin) do not want them to have (ie my 8 yr old does NOT need MSN messenger.
I do however have windows messenging service installed. I do have it set to start on machine start. Outside people can not access my messenger service due to the fact that I am behind a gateway router that firewalls out inbound things like that.
however my family and I have (rather annoyingly) utilized the NET SEND command to pop windows on each others machines. its fun.... really.....
:getlost:
Jimbot
PJ64k Support Team
Clements said:
Sorry to revive such an old thread guys, but where exactly is this option in XP? I wonder if this thread is so old its not in XP, which hadn't come out yet. Well, any help? I have just started to get this problem
EDIT: About 2 seconds after i did this message, i found it. It's now under Control Panel>Performance and Maintenence>Adminstrative Tools>Services
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Noupe
Grog
As stated in another post in this thread, you can also do: Start->Run and type services.msc. Find "Messenger" in the list and disable it.
Also, I'd like to clear up the misunderstandings in this thread:
There are three different things that are commonly mistaken with eachother:
MSN Messenger
Windows Messenger
Messenger Service
Windows _AND_ MSN Messenger are IM (Instant Messanging) programs. They have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Messenger Service. That service, however, is responsible for letting these spam messages get through to your computer.
Disabling Messenger in Outlook, renaming some Messenger folder in \Program Files or whatever has been suggested will have absolutely no impact on the Messenger Service.
To get rid of the Messenger Service (and thus the annoying spam popups) you have to disable that service as described above (or in the post earlier in this thread). This will have no impact on your IM sessions with MSN or Windows Messenger, you can still chat away with
whomever you like.
I also remember that Clements asked this same question (the difference between MSN and Windows Messenger) on the Cherryroms forums some time ago. This was my reply, backed up with a now outdated link to Microsoft further describing the difference between the two:
Also, I'd like to clear up the misunderstandings in this thread:
There are three different things that are commonly mistaken with eachother:
MSN Messenger
Windows Messenger
Messenger Service
Windows _AND_ MSN Messenger are IM (Instant Messanging) programs. They have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Messenger Service. That service, however, is responsible for letting these spam messages get through to your computer.
Disabling Messenger in Outlook, renaming some Messenger folder in \Program Files or whatever has been suggested will have absolutely no impact on the Messenger Service.
To get rid of the Messenger Service (and thus the annoying spam popups) you have to disable that service as described above (or in the post earlier in this thread). This will have no impact on your IM sessions with MSN or Windows Messenger, you can still chat away with
whomever you like.
I also remember that Clements asked this same question (the difference between MSN and Windows Messenger) on the Cherryroms forums some time ago. This was my reply, backed up with a now outdated link to Microsoft further describing the difference between the two:
Noupe on the Cherryroms forums said: