what? the only thing that's a pain to get working without xinput is the rumble.
Big Robot Bill: did you also use windows update? iirc, it is usable when you plug it in, however there is also a driver that windows update installs too. probably wont change anything, but try nonetheless (i've never tried without doing both those steps). otherwise, yes...would seem to be a bug in the x360 pad plugin :/
Yeah, Windows update wanted to install the 360 drivers. I let it do that when I first plugged in my controller, so I've had it since the beginning of my posts.