Nintendo 64 Emulation Package

[Iconoclast]

Your link only justifies the backup/archival copy exception, repeating that you are allowed to make a backup of your software for backup purposes only, not that game-copying devices that can read Nintendo's game cartridges, with a bad potential in bad hands, are legal. The above-linked law may be saying that backing up your software is legal, but does it say that Nintendo can't make game-copying devices to read Nintendo game cartridges illegal for the purpose of restricting copying for Nintendo's games, which, logically, Nintendo should have the right to do?

And no, I don't work for Nintendo. I am not upset at all about emulation. I do it myself, remorselessly (mostly). In fact, what I just said in that previous post is what I was only wondering if it was true, because it seemed to be the idea that Nintendo was trying to give. I didn't want to actually say it was true, but since I gave up trying to understand if it was, I pretended to be Nintendo to see you guys' response so hopefully then it might clear things up and that's why my post seemed like that. However, my argument is not done, but again, I'm only trying to get my 'questions' answered.:shifty:

To summarise:
Emulators are NOT illegal. Emulators allow to run content that was designed for another system on another architecture, like the PC's x86 architecture. You're getting this all wrong. Just because you most likely play games illegally on it does NOT mean the tool itself is illegal. That's like saying buying a weapon is illegal. You can use your weapon legally, but you can also use it illegally. Are weapons illegal, then?

Backup software is NOT illegal. Again, due to US copyright law, you are entitled a backup of your own software. That includes games. Even if you weren't, the tool itself is still legal. In US, backing up a copy of your game is legal. Distributing this copy, however, is illegal. Downloading a copy is illegal. This is contradictory to what companies say. On a movie you've bought, you're likely to find a label that says that any copy of that movie, including for private purposes, is illegal. But it is not. You may do a backup copy.

Emulators are not just used to play games, you know? They can be used in a number of other ways. Look up the definition of emulation. As for Pj64, you CAN play games legally on it. The way is to acquire legal copies of your games to play. How do you do that? Back 'em up, or download Public Domain roms, which are free and are not illegal to download.

Now don't come saying that Pj64 is illegal.
Devices are not illegal. It is the wrong use that is illegal.
Claiming a backup device to be illegal because with it users MIGHT copy games illegally is to say that your PSP/PC/Whatever is illegal because you can crack it to run illegal software.

Now, now, I didn't say backup software was illegal. I believe the backup/archival copy exception.

Yes, but weapons and software-copying devices are entirely different things, and considered much differently. And, you misunderstood me, just because people are using Project64 illegally doesn't mean that Project64 is illegal, but if Project64 was DESIGNED for the purpose of emulating ROMs, whether it's legal or not depends on two things:

1. Is there a legal way to obtain the ROMs/ISOs? If not, then the emulator has no legal purpose, and can be deemed illegal. If so, then it is probably legal via using a game-copier device. (Which Nintendo says is illegal, so no point in debating on it. Either they're illegal, or they're lying and it's not in Nintendo's power to make them illegal. I don't know the details.)
2. The emulator was designed for a legal purpose. If the ROMs cannot be legally obtained, then there is no way to get them onto your hard drive. If there is no way to get them onto your hard drive, then the emulators have no legal purpose and can be easily considered 'illegal' for the copying they encourage. Must I use the Law of Syllogism?

Obviously, these two things are nearly expressing the same thing. To prove that emulators (not all of them, of course, just the video-gaming ones for Nintendo's consoles...I know the definition of emulation, I already looked it up long before you told me to) are legal is to prove that Nintendo is lying by saying the game-copying devices are illegal. Whether they are telling the truth or lying, I don't know, so I cannot conclude whether or not the devices are legal and neither can you. And yes, I am contradicting my previous post, but my mistake was before, not now.

If the game-copying devices are illegal, as claimed by Nintendo and probably but unprovably true, emulators are illegal because there is no remaining way left to copy the ROM to your PC. You pointed out downloading public domain ROMs as an alternate legal way to get them onto your hard drive. However, that is also illegal, if you read the below quote from Nintendo.com:

Isn't it Okay to Download Nintendo ROMs for Games that are No Longer Distributed in the Stores or Commercially Exploited? Aren't They Considered "Public Domain"?
No, the current availability of a game in stores is irrelevant as to its copyright status. Copyrights do not enter the public domain just because they are no longer commercially exploited or widely available. Therefore, the copyrights of games are valid even if the games are not found on store shelves, and using, copying and/or distributing those games is a copyright infringement.

So that only leaves the option of backing them up using the game-copying devices, which Nintendo says are illegal and ARE illegal until someone here starts proving otherwise. And then, as I've said before, that goes up to the emulators and if they're legal.

A fix of my previous conclusion: To say that emulation of Nintendo's consoles is legal is to say that Nintendo is lying about the legalty of game-copying devices. Until you figure out a way to prove (or find sufficient evidence for) that one, there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[Doomulation]

1) Just because there is no legal way to attain the material needed to make a device work does not make the device itself illegal. However, there may be no legal way to OPERATE the device. Again, however, with emulators, this is false.
2) There is no law that probhits the creation of hardware that makes backup of things like cartridges. It would a different matter if it were to circumvent the copyright protection, which it isn't. So, in terms, it's legal, because backup is legal and I don't think Nintendo owns a patent on cartridges that probhits backing it up. Oh wait, if it were illegal, then why can Nintendo do it (legally) and not us (Zelda Collection for GC, anyone?)?
3) You obviously don't know what a Public Domain rom is. A Public Domain rom is NOT a commercial game / rom. A public domain game is a game that was designed to be free and to be perfectly legal to be put on the Internet to download. PD roms are perfectly legal to download.
4) I don't think the comparison to weapons was too far off. It's much the same basically. The tool isn't illegal even if it's used for illegal purposes. It can still be used for legal purposes and it is the WAY of OPERATION that defines if it something legal you do or not.

 

[Iconoclast]

1) Just because there is no legal way to attain the material needed to make a device work does not make the device itself illegal. However, there may be no legal way to OPERATE the device. Again, however, with emulators, this is false.
2) There is no law that probhits the creation of hardware that makes backup of things like cartridges. It would a different matter if it were to circumvent the copyright protection, which it isn't. So, in terms, it's legal, because backup is legal and I don't think Nintendo owns a patent on cartridges that probhits backing it up. Oh wait, if it were illegal, then why can Nintendo do it (legally) and not us (Zelda Collection for GC, anyone?)?
3) You obviously don't know what a Public Domain rom is. A Public Domain rom is NOT a commercial game / rom. A public domain game is a game that was designed to be free and to be perfectly legal to be put on the Internet to download. PD roms are perfectly legal to download.
4) I don't think the comparison to weapons was too far off. It'###### the same basically. The tool isn't illegal even if it's used for illegal purposes. It can still be used for legal purposes and it is the WAY of OPERATION that defines if it something legal you do or not.

Well, for number one, obviously there isn't a law or anything saying that software with no legal purpose can be deemed illegal. Although, I think that software with no legal purpose but also the potential of enforcing the illegal copying of Nintendo's ROM files can, if not automatically by some law I don't know about, be deemed illegal by authorities. Emulation of Nintendo's consoles is a big news, and I'm sure such authorities would have considered marking the emulators illegal if there is no legal way to use them, only illegal ways. However, on the other side, they might have ignored the opportunity to mark them as illegal because there is a chance that they thought Nintendo was too strict about their game software being legally (under normal circumstances) copied using what they propose to be an illegal device (abnormal circumstance). Because of other reasons like this, this is why I am not prepared to conclude that emulators are illegal. If emulators were illegal, Nintendo.com would probably have mentioned it ASAP, since they like to throw in every good point about emulation of their consoles SEEMING illegal by only saying what they know is illegal. So, you throw a good point.

However, I also believe that Nintendo does not lie on their legal.jsp page. They beat everything to the death about why they believe we shouldn't be emulating their games. Stating that emulators were illegal, however, was not one of them, so you may be right when you say they aren't illegal. Anyway, they did say that the game-copying devices, based on their functions, the reason being, are illegal. Chances are low that they are lying, if they wouldn't try to cram in emulators being illegal (although they do acuse the emulators of being designed to emulate illegally-copied ROMs, which I have just proven true in the last post, so your first point seems true. I believe you now.

As for your second point, it's a bit different. That cannot be proven to be true. 'Illegal' means, against the law, right? Well, when I say, either Nintendo is lying or the game-copying devices for Nintendo's game cartridges are illegal, that is the same thing as saying, "Either Nintendo is lying or the game-copying devices for Nintendo's game cartridges are against the law." When something is against the law, that means it is violating an existing law that prohibits it. That means, you are saying that Nintendo is lying by saying there is no law prohibiting game-copying devices. To word it differently, once again, "Either Nintendo is lying or there is no law prohibiting game-copying devices/game-copying devices are against the law/illegal." All the same damn thing. Point is, you cannot prove that Nintendo is lying, so you cannot conclude that there isn't a law restricting these devices and their usage.

Your third point; I didn't know about that. You'll have to forgive me: I'm still a slight bit of a noob with ROMs in general, though I know a bit of their legal information. For a year now, I have been messing around with N64 emulation, all of PJ64's settings and plugin-emulator combos to fix emulation issues like no one else before me (even BigHead, only I only did this for about TEN games I know, not all 6,000 of them like him, but I do have disagreements with BigHead's list), yet as experienced I am with emulating the console, I've lacked the understanding of the fundamentals, including the term "public domain." I didn't know about that, though, that there are N64 ROMs not made by Nintendo, not copyrighted, and legal to download. That supports, further, your first point, giving a legal reason for Project64's public availability to be considered 'legal'.

I was only saying, before, Nintendo's details on laws, not what I think is 'justice'. For example, they say (and I believe them) that game-copying devices are illegal, but I don't think it's right. They SHOULD be legal, but they aren't. Nintendo declared them as illegal only because of what they COULD be used for, when really, it's pointless to make something illegal just because it's used for illegal-purposes at the start. Law-breakers don't care if you make something illegal; they'll just keep using it. But Nintendo did not make them illegal to stop copying of ROM files and distribution through the Internet, but copying them PERIOD, even if legally. The company is strict and paranoid about emulation. It may not even be emulation, but copying them in general, regardless of whereto; Allnatural just got done saying that Nintendo said, "Extra backup copies are unnecessary; DO NOT COPY THIS GAME." So copying, even to something besides their PC, is something they don't want, it sounds like. Are they paranoid with the notion of their software being copied as sounding like a threat?

 I was only getting technical, at one point. A gun, when illegally used, causes violence. A game-copying device, when illegally-used, causes oversensitive companies to go insane. Both matters are treated differently....

 

[Doomulation]

Well, for number one, obviously there isn't a law or anything saying that software with no legal purpose can be deemed illegal. Although, I think that software with no legal purpose but also the potential of enforcing the illegal copying of Nintendo's ROM files can, if not automatically by some law I don't know about, be deemed illegal by authorities. Emulation of Nintendo's consoles is a big news, and I'm sure such authorities would have considered marking the emulators illegal if there is no legal way to use them, only illegal ways. However, on the other side, they might have ignored the opportunity to mark them as illegal because there is a chance that they thought Nintendo was too strict about their game software being legally (under normal circumstances) copied using what they propose to be an illegal device (abnormal circumstance). Because of other reasons like this, this is why I am not prepared to conclude that emulators are illegal. If emulators were illegal, Nintendo.com would probably have mentioned it ASAP, since they like to throw in every good point about emulation of their consoles SEEMING illegal by only saying what they know is illegal. So, you throw a good point.

Note that authorities hardly intervenes. And emulators are used for other purposes than just playing games made for different systems.
Furthermore, Nintendo themselves (and other companies) have made emulators themselves for specific games. As an example, Zelda OoT: Master Quest and Majora's Mask were compiled as N64 roms but Nintendo used an emulator to make them playable on the GC.

However, I also believe that Nintendo does not lie on their legal.jsp page. They beat everything to the death about why they believe we shouldn't be emulating their games. Stating that emulators were illegal, however, was not one of them, so you may be right when you say they aren't illegal. Anyway, they did say that the game-copying devices, based on their functions, the reason being, are illegal. Chances are low that they are lying, if they wouldn't try to cram in emulators being illegal (although they do acuse the emulators of being designed to emulate illegally-copied ROMs, which I have just proven true in the last post, so your first point seems true. I believe you now.

Note that when there is something a company does not like, they do like to lie and boast that it should not be done. Same goes for movies. Look at the back of a DVD and you'll the whole text "copies of this film, including for private use, is probhited." Again, this isn't true, because you are allows a legal backup of a copy according to the law.
Companies are evil and tend to bend the truth and lie about the law at times. Do not always believe them.

As for your second point, it's a bit different. That cannot be proven to be true. 'Illegal' means, against the law, right? Well, when I say, either Nintendo is lying or the game-copying devices for Nintendo's game cartridges are illegal, that is the same thing as saying, "Either Nintendo is lying or the game-copying devices for Nintendo's game cartridges are against the law." When something is against the law, that means it is violating an existing law that prohibits it. That means, you are saying that Nintendo is lying by saying there is no law prohibiting game-copying devices. To word it differently, once again, "Either Nintendo is lying or there is no law prohibiting game-copying devices/game-copying devices are against the law/illegal." All the same damn thing. Point is, you cannot prove that Nintendo is lying, so you cannot conclude that there isn't a law restricting these devices and their usage.

Nintendo can also "bend" the truth. And a company by themselves cannot make something illegal unless they own a patent to it which states that unathorized usage of those devices are phobited. Unfortunaly for Nintendo, they own no such license / patent so they cannot probhit it.
Besides, there are companies doing such devices. Wouldn't they be in trouble if it was against the law to manufacture them? And if it was illegal to buy them, then there would be no point in manufacturing them, would there, since they companies would gain no profit from it?

Your third point; I didn't know about that. You'll have to forgive me: I'm still a slight bit of a noob with ROMs in general, though I know a bit of their legal information. For a year now, I have been messing around with N64 emulation, all of PJ64's settings and plugin-emulator combos to fix emulation issues like no one else before me (even BigHead, only I only did this for about TEN games I know, not all 6,000 of them like him, but I do have disagreements with BigHead's list), yet as experienced I am with emulating the console, I've lacked the understanding of the fundamentals, including the term "public domain." I didn't know about that, though, that there are N64 ROMs not made by Nintendo, not copyrighted, and legal to download. That supports, further, your first point, giving a legal reason for Project64's public availability to be considered 'legal'.

PD roms are not copyrighted either to my knowledge.

I was only saying, before, Nintendo's details on laws, not what I think is 'justice'. For example, they say (and I believe them) that game-copying devices are illegal, but I don't think it's right. They SHOULD be legal, but they aren't. Nintendo declared them as illegal only because of what they COULD be used for, when really, it's pointless to make something illegal just because it's used for illegal-purposes at the start. Law-breakers don't care if you make something illegal; they'll just keep using it. But Nintendo did not make them illegal to stop copying of ROM files and distribution through the Internet, but copying them PERIOD, even if legally. The company is strict and paranoid about emulation. It may not even be emulation, but copying them in general, regardless of whereto; Allnatural just got done saying that Nintendo said, "Extra backup copies are unnecessary; DO NOT COPY THIS GAME." So copying, even to something besides their PC, is something they don't want, it sounds like. Are they paranoid with the notion of their software being copied as sounding like a threat?

Perhaps they are... Nintendo always went to lengths to include some form of protection to hinder piracy. The N64's cartridges. The Gamecube's custom disks... etc.

 I was only getting technical, at one point. A gun, when illegally used, causes violence. A game-copying device, when illegally-used, causes oversensitive companies to go insane. Both matters are treated differently....

In the eyes of the law, they are exactly the same. The tool isn't illegal just because it CAN be used for illegal purposes.

 

[ScottJC]

The only reason Iconoclast is saying Emulators are illegal is because if he was right he would have an excuse to break the author of the emulators wishes, Oh yeah, and Hammers are illegal because they can be used to bash someones head in, that is illegal you know therefore hammers must be illegal.

And to be frank, your settings cannot possibly be THAT useful and since when do you need the entire emulator to release settings?

1. Release an Rdb
2, Release Ini's

The major issue with your emulation package idea is what works for you isn't going to work for others, so it is a complete waste of time. Trying to say emulators are illegal just so you can release your lame package is not going to work so give it a rest. Try releasing packs and you'll likely be banned here before too long its as simple as that. I'm not a mod but I know that for a certainty.

So, My harsh words are, STFU you are wasting our time. Emulators can do nothing on their own, nor can a hammer in case you're wondering what a hammer has to do with anything. Now lets put an emulator on a blank machine and see if it does anything illegal shall we?

Maybe it'll automatically download the roms and play them all by itself, just like how my PS2 runs to the store to buy me the latest game for it. After all theres no such thing as personal responcibility. Hell my car drives itself! Who needs to do anything anymore *ps2 leaps off the desk to killl Iconoclast

 

[Iconoclast]

I didn't say PD ROMs are copyrighted, or at least I didn't mean to. I know they aren't.

Yeah, I get what you were saying. A gun and an illegal game-copying device can be illegally used and legally used, so I see what you meant.

 

[Iconoclast]

The only reason Iconoclast is saying Emulators are illegal is because if he was right he would have an excuse to break the author of the emulators wishes, Oh yeah, and Hammers are illegal because they can be used to bash someones head in, that is illegal you know therefore hammers must be illegal.

And to be frank, your settings cannot possibly be THAT useful and since when do you need the entire emulator to release settings?

1. Release an Rdb
2, Release Ini's

The major issue with your emulation package idea is what works for you isn't going to work for others, so it is a complete waste of time. Trying to say emulators are illegal just so you can release your lame package is not going to work so give it a rest. Try releasing packs and you'll likely be banned here before too long its as simple as that. I'm not a mod but I know that for a certainty.

So, My harsh words are, STFU you are wasting our time. Emulators can do nothing on their own, nor can a hammer in case you're wondering what a hammer has to do with anything. Now lets put an emulator on a blank machine and see if it does anything illegal shall we?

Maybe it'll automatically download the roms and play them all by itself, just like how my PS2 runs to the store to buy me the latest game for it. After all theres no such thing as personal responcibility. Hell my car drives itself! Who needs to do anything anymore *ps2 leaps off the desk to killl Iconoclast

Wow, you give such a convincing argument...If you read far enough, you would have noticed I already admitted a few posts back that I realized that emulators are legal, because Doomulation gave me the facts, not because you gave me paranoid complaints.

I didn't just upload the RDB and INI; I uploaded the entire thing, all the emulators and plugins, in case the user didn't already have the plugins and emulators. Did it hurt to add a little convinience for the user just in case?

If Project64 works on this machine, it will work on everyone"$ PC that meets the system specs. Simple as that. I know it seems annoying to think that I think I'm so smart and uploaded a perfect N64 package when it really has a bunch of errors in it, but what if my package really WAS errorless (with the exception of emulator programming, etc., things I can't control)? You didn't download it; you don't know. How can you report major issues for something you didn't download?

Read the rules, n00b. The rules say you will get banned if you break the rules in red. Do you see 'repackaging Project64' in red? That's not even a crime. I was just trying to help everyone, and that does not give you an excuse to criticize me and say I could get banned for trying to help. The Project64 team does not protect their emulator from being repackaged for copyright reasons, but because, like Allnatural and Doomulation said, to avoid confusion for other users. If that's the reason the Project64 team doesn't want me doing this, then there is no way in hell I'm going to get banned for trying to help, even if it does confuse someone. I'm not a mod on this site, either, but I am on another forums website, and I have experience with people like you. Bashing my attempt of trying to help someone, accusing me of using the legalty of emulators as an excuse to upload my configuration...when you have absolutely no evidence of any of that crap you just said.

So, my advice to you is, STFU for wasting my time, giving me false crap, exploding your problems into a public thread only to have me take the time to point out that hammers...just aren't a good 'thinking' tool to justify an argument about the legalty of me trying to help people. Next time, try using a spear to justify your argument, and I'll tell you the name of the spear: "Up Yours." And it'll be a two-handed spear, too....

 

[Doomulation]

If Project64 works on this machine, it will work on everyone"$ PC that meets the system specs. Simple as that. I know it seems annoying to think that I think I'm so smart and uploaded a perfect N64 package when it really has a bunch of errors in it, but what if my package really WAS errorless (with the exception of emulator programming, etc., things I can't control)? You didn't download it; you don't know. How can you report major issues for something you didn't download?

Errorless or not, The Pj64 team does not want you to upload custom Pj64 packages. If you believe your package is superior, then I suggest you contact Smiff / Zilmar / Jabo and see what they think of it.

Read the rules, n00b.

I don't think you can really call Scott n00b Scott has been around a lot longer than you, and sometimes, I've noticed, Scott can be a little jumpy...

The rules say you will get banned if you break the rules in red. Do you see 'repackaging Project64' in red?

This is true, but it says in the doc for Project64 not to modify it, if you please.

That's not even a crime. I was just trying to help everyone, and that does not give you an excuse to criticize me and say I could get banned for trying to help. The Project64 team does not protect their emulator from being repackaged for copyright reasons, but because, like Allnatural and Doomulation said, to avoid confusion for other users. If that's the reason the Project64 team doesn't want me doing this, then there is no way in hell I'm going to get banned for trying to help, even if it does confuse someone. I'm not a mod on this site, either, but I am on another forums website, and I have experience with people like you. Bashing my attempt of trying to help someone, accusing me of using the legalty of emulators as an excuse to upload my configuration...when you have absolutely no evidence of any of that crap you just said.

So, my advice to you is, STFU for wasting my time, giving me false crap, exploding your problems into a public thread only to have me take the time to point out that hammers...just aren't a good 'thinking' tool to justify an argument about the legalty of me trying to help people. Next time, try using a spear to justify your argument, and I'll tell you the name of the spear: "Up Yours." And it'll be a two-handed spear, too....

Lastly, Iconoclast, if you are a mod on other sites, then you should know that flaming or responding to a flaming post with other flaming words does not help. If you feel you are being insulted and cannot reply in non-heated terms, then by all means take it up with a moderator. But you know this, right?
This forum have some strict rules and it's sad to see users banned because they cannot read them properly, and although you've read them, it would certainly be a shame to see a "real member" (one who actually reads the rules) get banned.

This is just a friendly advice.

 

[Iconoclast]

That's OK, already. I won't repackage it. I wasn't trying to argue about being able to repackage Project64; I immediately threw the idea away when Allnatural told me it was not allowed, though I discussed the idea of it being hypocritical, but still. And I don't believe it's, like, superior or anything. It's not willing to give me a reason to pester Jabo or zilmar about it. It might be pretty good, and I spent months perfecting it, but I didn't mean to make it sound superior, though it could be.

Yeah, I know that anger is a bad thing, it never helps, it causes war, never helps show your argument and I know it was wrong of me to reply like that. I have my bad days.

I didn't flame him or anything, except the n00b part, the STFU part (he got what he gave), and the two-handed spear thing...I kinda shouldn't have typed that. I typed it because of a funny memory, not out of anger. Didn't mean to sound that angry; I was annoyed with him, but not scarlet-faced or anything.

But yeah, I realize that I overreacted and shouldn't have posted like that (and this is not the first time I've said that before). Still, he got what he gave, so don't tell me I overreacted and said STFU when he didn't do both of those. I hope, surely, you didn't think I was the only one overreacting. And yes, I'm a mod somewhere else, but my one weakness is anger problems. I'm patient with people who break the rules and I help everyone to my best, but I cannot stop genetics and I get angry at posts like that.

 

[Doomulation]

No, I believe you both overreacted. Those who don't break the rules and give useless comments are welcome members in my book.

 

[Iconoclast]

Oh, and the reason I called him a n00b was not because of how long he's been on here. That would be so hypocritical; no way in hell. It's because the EmuTalk rules said the rules highlighted in red will get you banned if you break them, but repackaging Project64 was not one of them. He said I was CERTAIN to get banned for repackaging Project64, which, according to the rules, is not true. That's why I said, "read the rules, n00b." Again, it was overreacting a little.

 

[Doomulation]

Don't believe everything you read. Although it is not my place to see what is fit and not, who is to be banned or not, I don't think you would have been banned but made have been badmouthed by some.
Anyway, this is not something that is worth of being discussed, really.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ok, then, I won't discuss it.

If any mod wants to delete this, I'm certainly ready.

 

[ScottJC]

Read the rules, n00b. The rules say you will get banned if you break the rules in red.

Wow, you want evidence of mods taking action against packages... fine i'll provide you with some...

1) http://www.emutalk.net/1964/20002-u...kage-v3-0-a.html?highlight=Unofficial+Package
2) http://www.emutalk.net/1964/19039-n...964-v0-99-a.html?highlight=Unofficial+Package

One user above did it twice and got banned for it, See unlike you I don't talk trash I can back up what I say with evidence.

Exploding your problems into a public thread only to have me take the time to point out that hammers...just aren't a good 'thinking' tool to justify an argument about the legalty of me trying to help people. Next time, try using a spear to justify your argument, and I'll tell you the name of the spear: "Up Yours." And it'll be a two-handed spear, too....

I beg to differ, punk; Project64 is a tool - it can be used for good or evil, so can a Hammer, Project64 doesn't spring into action downloading roms and doing illegal things on its own, sure some people can download roms and use Project64 to play them but it is the roms that are inheritly illegal; Like I said before put Project64 on a blank machine and do nothing with it and lets see if it does anything illegal... several years later whats this? Nothing.. wow!

Oh yeah and my Problem was with you making rediculas remarks against Project64, not my own problems. - Project64 still isn't doing anything illegal when it is running the roms because its just doing its job as an emulator (Emulators are not illegal)

And my other point was also true, no matter how much you argue, no matter HOW much you bitch about it, you're still not allowed to release a package and you're not going to convince us that you are worthy to do so. Go create your own emulator you can do what you want with that... and we can say your emulator is illegal and see how you like it shall we?

Just because the rules of the forum don't say not to do it doesn't mean its ok to do something either, since Project64 and 1964 are both big member forums of emutalk the mods are going to actively enforce the authors wishes and that is no repackaging. If it was written that it was against the rules to post savefiles on the 1964 forum by the 1964 authors for some reason the mods would probably try to stop you doing it. If you don't believe me why don't you test this theory yourself and see what happens?

As for the rdb and inis, you seem to know nothing about them, go here if you want to see an example of how people release them, trust me it is far more respectful of authors to do it that way than to take matters into your own hands. It is not your work so don't even try to pretend that it is.

P.S This reply/and my original post here is severely toned down, I could go far worse on you than that my friend. Consider yourself lucky but I am confident that i'm not in the wrong here. I've been a member here for 4 years and you've been here for about a couple months so I have more experience in how this forum works so get your facts straight, k? before you regret it, k?

 

[Iconoclast]

Oh yeah and my Problem was with you making rediculas remarks against Project64, not my own problems. - Project64 still isn't doing anything illegal when it is running the roms because its just doing its job as an emulator (Emulators are not illegal)

And my other point was also true, no matter how much you argue, no matter HOW much you ##### about it, you're still not allowed to release a package and you're not going to convince us that you are worthy to do so. Go create your own emulator you can do what you want with that... and we can say your emulator is illegal and see how you like it shall we?

I'm not going to bother reading all that. I don't need to know you're life's story.

For the fifth time in a row, I don't want to upload the goddamn package anymore. Didn't you read any of that I've been through? According to one of my posts directed at Doomulation, the quote "I gave up the idea the moment Allnatural told me it wasn't allowed." I don't even CARE about uploading it, anymore. Make any sense? In case you didn't know, I don't want to break the rules.

The only reason they banned that guy for uploading the package is because he did it THREE times in a row when he was repeatedly told to stop. I honestly think you knew that when you said, "Unlike you, I can use evidence to backup my arguments." I was expecting valid evidence, in case you didn't know.

I didn't make 'ridiculous' remarks about Project64. I only said I thought it was illegal. Wow, like that's such an insult, get over it man. Its not my fault you're paranoid. Don't go blaming me for your anger problems. If someone called an emulator I made illegal, I wouldn't be angry at all; I would just explain why it really is legal. Speaking of which:

I beg to differ, punk; Project64 is a tool - it can be used for good or evil, so can a Hammer, Project64 doesn't spring into action downloading roms and doing illegal things on its own, sure some people can download roms and use Project64 to play them but it is the roms that are inheritly illegal; Like I said before put Project64 on a blank machine and do nothing with it and lets see if it does anything illegal... several years later whats this? Nothing.. wow!

Uh, you did actually READ my reply before you replied, right? I already said, in my reply to your previous post, that me and Doomulation talked it over and he convinced me that all emulators are legal. I know emulators are legal, now! This is what you just put me through:

blah blah long argument so emulators actually are legal

OK, I believe you now.

Emulators are not illegal, so STFU

I know emulators are legal. I believe him now.

I beg to differ, punk. Project64 is legal, and no matter how long you argue about it yadayada who cares.

The only part of that excessively long post of yours I read after that was the "get your facts straight." Oh, that was real cute.

Please, the more you reply, the more you embarass yourself. For the good of both of us, just do not reply.

 

[Allnatural]

Too much kindling. I'm going to smother the flames before it becomes an inferno.

/closed