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blizz

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oh ffs Alphawolf just get over it, some people don't like Bush, I don't particularly care either way if it had been Gore or Bush, but eveytime someone waves an anti-bush flag in front of you, you go off on one, just accept another persons point of view and live with it (yeah democracy is a bitch isn't it)

AlphaWolf said:
And so far as whether or not Bush gets removed in 2004....well, that is up for people like myself to decide - not you, so mind your own damn country's business :p

ah the irony of that coming from an american ;) :p
 
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2fast4u

2fast4u

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AlphaWolf said:
And we pioneered the philosophy of democracy that you subscribe to, by the way.

actually france beat you to it. not to mention the greeks and romans ;)

And so far as whether or not Bush gets removed in 2004....well, that is up for people like myself to decide - not you, so mind your own damn country's business :p

read what blizz said :p

Stereotypes indeed...You do realize that your last comment held no substance?

uhm .. no?

sytaylor said:
Surley you're more objective than that

indeed but im tired of huge rants about this shit with people on the net. lots of hassle, wasted time and in the end nothing is achieved. thats the reason i dont post much on nvnews anymore btw.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
blizz said:
oh ffs Alphawolf just get over it, some people don't like Bush, I don't particularly care either way if it had been Gore or Bush, but eveytime someone waves an anti-bush flag in front of you, you go off on one, just accept another persons point of view and live with it (yeah democracy is a bitch isn't it)

This has nothing to do with bush. My rant is against stereotypes like this:

junta of ultra conservative neo-liberal politicians and ceos who piss on international laws or democracy

blizz said:
ah the irony of that coming from an american ;) :p

Well, lets think about this for a second here. This is our country we are running. That means that we decide how we govern ourselves - nobody else does. That is the way it should be. Its not called the "United States of Earth." To do otherwise would be like me going to where you live and only voting people into office that only care about helping the US economy as opposed to your own. Something you extreme liberals need to understand is that domestic politics are way more important than foreign ones.

2fast4u said:
uhm .. no?

Read what I just told blizz.

2fast4u said:
actually france beat you to it. not to mention the greeks and romans ;)

No, they did not. In fact, the french revolution, the only war that france ever won, was inspired by us. At the time of our revolution, france was a monarchy, and they only helped us, (little at that) because they hated england. And not all democracies are created equal either, there are several different philosophies of democracy that came around before the US constitution was adopted. None of the ones that had things like personal liberty as their goal had survived before ours.
 
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2fast4u

2fast4u

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Well, lets think about this for a second here. This is our country we are running. That means that we decide how we govern ourselves - nobody else does. That is the way it should be. Its not called the "United States of Earth." To do otherwise would be like me going to where you live and only voting people into office that only care about helping the US economy as opposed to your own. Something you extreme liberals need to understand is that domestic politics are way more important than foreign ones.

first of all, you arent in the position to lecture anyone, mr. superiority. second, you missed the point. the usa is the #1 country in the world messing with the affairs of the rest of the world all the time. :p

the only war that france ever won

ah, there goes the france bashing again. infidels didnt support ya in iraq, did they?

and they only helped us, (little at that) because they hated england.

well .. the us government helped to bring saddam to power (because they hated the ayatollas), gave weapons to mr. bin laden (because the hated the soviets), pulled an intervention in chile and installed pinochet (because they hated socialism), sent marines to nicaragua (same reason) .. but i suppose thats different and in this case the ends justify the means :p


and as usual this is going nowhere. if i start a thread mentioning politics or george bush the slightest ever again someone remind me to ban myself.
 
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blizz

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AlphaWolf said:
Well, lets think about this for a second here. This is our country we are running. That means that we decide how we govern ourselves - nobody else does. That is the way it should be. Its not called the "United States of Earth." To do otherwise would be like me going to where you live and only voting people into office that only care about helping the US economy as opposed to your own. Something you extreme liberals need to understand is that domestic politics are way more important than foreign ones.

bwahahahahaha, now that is Ironic! :D
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
2fast4u said:
first of all, you arent in the position to lecture anyone

Why? Because I am right and the truth is painful?

Sometimes I don't understand you hardcore leftists. It's ok for you to make criticizing remarks, yet when somebody tries to defend their views, or dish them back, you are just all about getting them to shut up.

2fast4u said:
second, you missed the point. the usa is the #1 country in the world messing with the affairs of the rest of the world all the time. :p

That wasn't your point. You are just trying to change the appearance of your old argument for the matter of face. So, you had to further that by mentioning all of this:

2fast4u said:
well .. the us government helped to bring saddam to power (because they hated the ayatollas), gave weapons to mr. bin laden (because the hated the soviets), pulled an intervention in chile and installed pinochet (because they hated socialism), sent marines to nicaragua (same reason) .. but i suppose thats different and in this case the ends justify the means :p

Which by the way, most of the "red scare" era was run by liberals. The only major exception to this is Raegan.

2fast4u said:
and as usual this is going nowhere. if i start a thread mentioning politics or george bush the slightest ever again someone remind me to ban myself.

And when once in the last page have I specifically addressed Bush? KingTom started that classic "your votes don't count" argument based on the gore having more votes, so I had to explain to him and the rest of you exactly why we have the electoral college.
 
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2fast4u

2fast4u

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AlphaWolf said:
Why? Because I am right and the truth is painful?

no because assuming that you are the sole holder of the truth absurd. i wouldnt put myself in the position to claim that.

That wasn't your point. You are just trying to change the appearance of your old argument for the matter of face. So, you had to further that by mentioning all of this:

erm .. i didnt make the original point, i just agreed.

Which by the way, most of the "red scare" era was run by liberals. The only major exception to this is Raegan.

nixon was a liberal?

And when once in the last page have I specifically addressed Bush? KingTom started that classic "your votes don't count" argument based on the gore having more votes, so I had to explain to him and the rest of you exactly why we have the electoral college.

ffs read my post again. and in my book neither gore or bush deserved to be president.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
2fast4u said:
no because assuming that you are the sole holder of the truth absurd. i wouldnt put myself in the position to claim that.

I never did.

2fast4u said:
erm .. i didnt make the original point, i just agreed.

Either way it remains as your point.

2fast4u said:
nixon was a liberal?

No, but he didn't do any of the things you mentioned. In fact, he ended the worst war that the US was ever involved in, which by the way was started by democrats. He ended it because he took a realistic (as opposed to idealistic) approach to it, which democrats always fail to do in a wartime situation. More the reason why I think we are damn lucky that Bush got that extra electoral vote, because if Gore was in office, 9/11 probably would not have been the only attack.

2fast4u said:
ffs read my post again.

Well if you want me to elaborate more then, your original post said that you don't want to make a "Bush" thread, because somebody (usually me) will end up turning it around so that it backfires, which gets you nowhere. I will partially agree with that, because it actually brought you back a few steps when I pointed out that the democrats are really the lazy mob that likes to order others around. However, the thread actually did get somewhere, quite a few places actually, just not that it helped your cause any, so it wasn't worth it to you ;)

And quite honestly, I find myself entertained by these threads. :happy:

2fast4u said:
and in my book neither gore or bush deserved to be president.

In my book, germany owes us lots of reparations for world war 1 and 2 that we never claimed, to include several loans that they never paid back. But oh well, what am I to do? :satisfied

EDIT: BTW, that last bit was another one of my politically incorrect jokes, just in case it was too subliminal for some of you to notice.
 
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2fast4u said:
indeed but im tired of huge rants about this shit with people on the net. lots of hassle, wasted time and in the end nothing is achieved. thats the reason i dont post much on nvnews anymore btw.

I think nothing is acheived mainly due to the arguments involved and not the people nor the medium (the net). People amoungst their own peir groups can make accusations along the lines neo-cons unleashing their toxic texan ways and not sound like they don't have a clue (regardless of how clued up they may actually be). However, in an open debate that is not the case, and as such the argument looses focus when those comments are made.

The key point here is that so few people look the middle of the argument, and work their way acorss it, they would rather shout from their far political corner of the specturm, which causes misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure that regardless of your political orientation it is possible to quite enjoy talking about every day things online, its just when the subject gets most serious, so should the manor in which its dealt.
 

pandamoan

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did someone say neither bush OR gore deserved to be president?

someone ring the obvious bell.

our "two" party system has been one party for over 30 years now. they just put on this ridiculous election as a sideshow to keep americans out of the streets and waving guns and such.

the only real difference between parties is defecit spending (which the republicans excel at) and abortion (which the democrats approve of).

and neither of those activities matter nearly as much as the three E's:

economy
education
environment.

of course you'll never hear any real news because the fcc is owned by aol/time warner, and they just want you to elect one of their retarded dancing puppets so they can continue their activities unabated.

so good luck having an election with any validity at all, even IF the votes weren't counted by a private firm who is co-owned by the democratic and republican parties, and who would NEVER allow a viable 3rd party candidate a chance at an election.

we live in a dream world. and your dreams are invalid.
 

DuDe

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pandamoan said:
we live in a dream world. and your dreams are invalid.
LMAO
Panda, you suffer a great deal of paranoia. I would try to get treated if I were you.
 
pandamoan said:
we live in a dream world. and your dreams are invalid.

The human scale
[pandamoan.. ----------------------------------------------------- nutters --- reality]

Fortunatley there is treatment for paranoia, but i guess that too would be a vast conspiricy concocted by the dream world :1eyealien
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
pandamano said:
and neither of those activities matter nearly as much as the three E's:

economy
education
environment.

Economy:
The economy is actually on the rebound. Funny thing too about that article, because I attended a democratic presidential candidate seminar where their official representatives spoke, all they really did was throw around that 3 million jobs figure for about an hour, (they should have just called it a "lets talk about how much we hate bush" seminar) and they never gave any plans for correction either. Whats even funnier is that they don't even take into acccount for the dot-com bubble exploding which resulted in that economic slump, and merely coincided with Bush's term in office. To add to that note, the commercialization of the internet that lead to the dot-com bubble happened in clintons administration, so they think that somehow democrats make the economy better. It realy had nothing to do with either president.

Education: Believe it or not, the US spends more money on education than any other country. The problem is usually at the local levels, where the state governments don't manage how effectively this money is being spent.

Environment: Blah. Lemme bring a few scientific facts to your attention: that hole in the ozone layer has always been expanding and contracting, in fact, its shrinking right now. Also, global warming currently doesn't mean a whole lot, because only a thousand years ago, the earth was much warmer. The only concern is the amount of CO2 in the air, which is primarily from fossil fuel emissions, but this is NOT because of the current politicians (in fact, they have actually put legislation into effect that requires car mfrs to sell more fuel efficient or alternative fuel cars, the margin of which is increasing every year.) This is mostly because of societies refusal to quickly switch to another means of transportation or energy resource, and that would include people just like yourself.

By that I mean, most people who call themselves charitable (especially the socialist/communist types) aren't willing to put forth the effort to do anything. They always talk about how good it might be, but they always demand that somebody else does it. For example, you may insist that say...everybody should have a home. But, you would never be willing to share your home with them, nor spend any worthwhile amount of money to ensure that they do. Rather instead, you demand that some wealthier person does it, and then act like it is some sort of obligation or duty on their part that they MUST do, whereas you would never in a million years obligate yourself to do it.

pandamano said:
of course you'll never hear any real news because the fcc is owned by aol/time warner, and they just want you to elect one of their retarded dancing puppets so they can continue their activities unabated.

You should seriously consider getting yourself a tinfiol beanie.

pandamano said:
so good luck having an election with any validity at all, even IF the votes weren't counted by a private firm who is co-owned by the democratic and republican parties, and who would NEVER allow a viable 3rd party candidate a chance at an election.

Did it ever occur to you that like every media outlet out there scruitinizes the shit out of these vote counts as well?
 

zAlbee

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*yawn* politics. :rolleyes:

interesting that the "left wing" in america is about equivalent to "center" in my country. we got way more leftistness than j00 ;)
 
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2fast4u

2fast4u

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zAlbee said:
interesting that the "left wing" in america is about equivalent to "center" in my country. we got way more leftistness than j00 ;)

talk about europe ... bloody socialists, eh? ;)
 

Clements

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Am I the only one who finds all politics (especially american politics) tedius? :clings to childhood:

I just see politicians as all deceitful and not to be trusted. Voting is for old people that have time to vote... All political parties are equally bad [Labour = Conservatives] If I was to vote I'd vote the Green Party as at least I'm doing the World a favour. I've never been interested ever, I rarely watch the news as current affairs (which are more often than not political issues) are boring.

Of course someone will pipe up "Well you should be! etc." with various reasons, but I will still say voter apathy is the way to go.

As a student, I'm susposed to be against labour as they may introduce top-up fees for my University education. However, this will probably not affect me as I'm in poverty so I don't have to pay hardly anything. So many things like this do not apply to me at the moment, but in the future, when I'm rich and can afford to pay the taxes and so forth, I'll probably have to learn more about politics and vote the guy who I think is going to give me an easier life, I suppose, but not now, I'm too busy with Metroid Prime rather than the proposed borrowing of £37Billion rather than the predicted £27Billion which is current in UK news that won't affect me in any way.
 

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