linux cont. (old thread closed)

[Slougi]

any news on a possible final release of the next version of gentoo...i don't wanna install the release candidate then have a new version come out in a couple of weeks.

In gentoo version numbers refer to the install cd. After that you just have to do an "emerge -u world" to update all packages you have. So it really doesn't matter. Myself I use the 1.2 CD because the 1.4 release candidates have some problems with my mobo

 

[decription]

Mandrake?? Why? It is so bloated and there are plenty of other better distros. Also, the mandrake company recently filled the French Chapter 11 equivlent.
EDIT: Just read your sig, realized your actually using Gentoo

 

[mesman00]

yah, i plan on installing gentoo whenever i get the chance. for now i just formatted my linux drive(s), as i don't have time to fiddle around w/ it due to school. hopefully witihin the next couple weeks ill get the chance to install gentoo, then cross back over to linux

 

[AlphaWolf]

I need to try gentoo one of these days. I've seen it run UT on systems with worse hardware than my suse system at faster speeds. Compiling your own software is good.

 

[Slougi]

I need to try gentoo one of these days. I've seen it run UT on systems with worse hardware than my suse system at faster speeds. Compiling your own software is good.

A tip:
Use the -Os compile option. It minimizes binary size, and thus loading times. It makes some things crash though (gimp comes to mind). But OOo launch time was cut in half. Mozilla seemed veeery slightly unstable too with -Os. Also use -fomit-frame-pointer. It makes debugging impossible but frees a register in the cpu and gives a nice speedup

 

[AlphaWolf]

Is the actual software execution faster or is it just the load time that is faster with that?

 

[Slougi]

Is the actual software execution faster or is it just the load time that is faster with that?

Load times are less, but the code itself is slightly slower. -O3 bloats code size, but makes faster code. -Os in general is fast enough (I never noticed a difference except load times on my Duron 1200), and I feel it is the best trade-off between code size and speed.

Edit: to elaborate: the O option stands for optimize. Os for optimize size at the expense of execution speed. O3 optimizes code speed as much as possible, at the expense of larger code. In general for small things it does not make a difference, but XFree and OOo for example start up noticably faster this way, although they run a few percent slower once loaded.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Load times are less, but the code itself is slightly slower. -O3 bloats code size, but makes faster code. -Os in general is fast enough (I never noticed a difference except load times on my Duron 1200), and I feel it is the best trade-off between code size and speed.

Edit: to elaborate: the O option stands for optimize. Os for optimize size at the expense of execution speed. O3 optimizes code speed as much as possible, at the expense of larger code. In general for small things it does not make a difference, but XFree and OOo for example start up noticably faster this way, although they run a few percent slower once loaded.

You know I will be using the O3 option then. I am a gamer. I always sacrifice load times for framerate.

Not only that but the targeted system will be running a 120 gigger.

 

[Slougi]

You know I will be using the O3 option then. I am a gamer. I always sacrifice load times for framerate.

Not only that but the targeted system will be running a 120 gigger.

You have to see what you want. OOo for example is a huge bloated beast (although it is being worked on) and I don't care for performance loss here. On the other hand, tuxracer i compile with quite different settings.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Well, I plan on compiling the kernel, all services, and X11 for max performance instead of load time (if you can easily configure as such in gentoo instalation). I use OOo on windows even, very nice peice of software, and it doesn't cost damn, but your right, its almost half as bloated as MS office, which in relative terms is very very bad.

 

[Slougi]

Well, I plan on compiling the kernel, all services, and X11 for max performance instead of load time (if you can easily configure as such in gentoo instalation). I use OOo on windows even, very nice peice of software, and it doesn't cost damn, but your right, its almost half as bloated as MS office, which in relative terms is very very bad.

Do not play with kernel configuration parameters. Really, it is a very bad idea indeed. Feel free to compile all your stuff with the following then (assuming you have an athlon-xp): "-march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -O3 -pipe -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -frerun-cse-after-loop -frerun-loop-opt -malign-functions=4 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -ffast-math"
Use that in you make.conf in gentoo and have fun Note that this triples compile time, roundabout.

 

[The Khan Artist]

Cool, my new parts will be in Monday or Tuesday, I'll have to try that. All I've ever used is -O3.

 

[Slougi]

Cool, my new parts will be in Monday or Tuesday, I'll have to try that. All I've ever used is -O3.