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Clements

Clements

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You could buy an ASrock DualSATA2 (supports both AGP and PCI-E), an Athlon64/Sempron64 and keep using your old AGP/PCI card. You could then buy a PCI-E card latter without upgrading your motherboard again.
 
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NotMyRealAccoun

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Money is not a problem for me buyin processor and motherboards, its a problem for video cards. at moment which one should be at the toplist of AMD?

PS. i think ive seen in a magazine, something about the new pci express with 32x but i think it had another name, can anyone confirm that?
 
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TerraPhantm

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Currently, the ATi Radeon X1900XTX is the best video card out on the market, but that may change soon when nVidia releases the 7900GTX. If I were you I'd buy a mid-range card for around $200, and then wait to buy a topend card until DX10 cards come out later this year.

I haven't heard anything about PCIe 32x, I guess in theory it could exist, but right now there is no purpose for it. Current graphics cards barely touch the amount of bandwidth 8x provides, it's a waste of development time to go past 16x right now.
 
Garstyciuks

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Most nvidia cards are made just for a better score on the 3d mark benchmark. But ATI cards gets better results at games, especially at HL², which is my favourite :p.
 
Doomulation

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That is not true. It may be that nvidia cheated on 3dmark, but, on games they are both as good in most cases.
 
arnalion

arnalion

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Garstyciuks said:
Most nvidia cards are made just for a better score on the 3d mark benchmark. But ATI cards gets better results at games, especially at HL², which is my favourite :p.
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Hehe they have both cheated and optimized they're cards for 3dmark. Ati did it the last time whit it's X1900 series. it was a huge diffrence in the picture quality in 3dmark06. Ati said that it was a driver bug (and it probably was). Haven't seen any new tests with catalyst 6.2

But they have both "cheated" earlier.

You usually say that Ati makes "fps" cards and nVIDIA "better picture quality". But Ati got their X1900 cards now so...
 
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Clements

Clements

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ATi's recent cards have better anisotropic filtering options (non-angle dependant AF in the high quality mode) than 6/7 series NVIDIA cards, whereas NVIDIA has more anti-aliasing options, which include supersampling and up to 16xAA for a single card if you use Rivatuner of similar tweak app.

ATi optimised for 3DMark05 like NVIDIA probably does. A recent Anandtech article showed this - but there was no deterioration in image quality, so this is not a cheat at all - but an optimisation in the driver.

PCI 32x does not exist and is not on the horizon. Probably meant 32 PCI-E lanes or similar.
 
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refraction

refraction

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and there's the fanboy comments :p


seriously you cant say Nvidia are better than ATi in games or the other way round, it depends on the game, for example Doom 3 was optimised for Nvidia cards and HL2 was optimised for ATi cards, its really game dependant, but usually theres very little between the 2 to squabble over, they are both equally as good.

yes Nvidia cheated on some things, but so did ATi, they both cheat to get that extra bit of performance, but you cant rely on synthetic benchmarks such as 3dmark for true performance, if you want a true test, use timedemos etc in proper released games.


At the end of the day its down to your choice and looking at reviews to see what you can get for your money
 
t0rek

t0rek

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Well, I arrived late to the discussion. In the CPU department I have experience with both Intel and AMD, and I personally think that AMD has an overall lead over Intel now and in the past years, my opinion in that is similar to Clements one.

However this only applies to desktop CPUs, if we talk about mobile CPUs, Intel with their Pentium M and recently with the Core and Core Duo processors kick AMD ass with they crappy Turion processors. Even with the recent problem that Core Duo has that sucks too much battery, it has already discovered that this was due to Windows's USB driver bug.

The future of CPUs is uncertain, Conroe processors are rumoured to be even a 20% more powerful than current Athlon64s and with less power consumtion due to optimizations to the current 65nm Intel manufacturing process. In the other hand AMD will release a new socket called AM2 this year for the current A64s that will suport DDR2 800, but it's not a major upgrade. AMD is supossed to reduce even more their power consumption even with their 90nm manufacturing processs.

Now in the GPU section, Nvidia and ATI are both very good, they are always pretty close, and it takes just moths to each other to take the winner flag if you know what I mean. For example, for some months Nvidia had the lead with their Geforce 7800GTX but a month ago ATI released the Radeon X1900XTX that beated the 7800GTX. But on march Nvidia will release a new 7900 card that is supossed to beat the mentioned ATI card, so they are always very close.
 
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arnalion

arnalion

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t0rek said:
Well, I arrived late to the discussion. In the CPU department I have experience with both Intel and AMD, and I personally think that AMD has an overall lead over Intel now and in the past years, my opinion in that is similar to Clements one.

However this only applies to desktop CPUs, if we talk about mobile CPUs, Intel with their Pentium M and recently with the Core and Core Duo processors kick AMD ass with they crappy Turion processors. Even with the recent problem that Core Duo has that sucks too much battery, it has already discovered that this was due to Windows's USB driver bug.

The future of CPUs is uncertain, Conroe processors are rumoured to be even a 20% more powerful than current Athlon64s and with less power consumtion due to optimizations to the current 65nm Intel manufacturing process. In the other hand AMD will release a new socket called AM2 this year for the current A64s that will suport DDR2 800, but it's not a major upgrade. AMD is supossed to reduce even more their power consumption even with their 90nm manufacturing processs.

Now in the GPU section, Nvidia and ATI are both very good, they are always pretty close, and it takes just moths to each other to take the winner flag if you know what I mean. For example, for some months Nvidia had the lead with their Geforce 7800GTX but a month ago ATI released the Radeon X1900XTX that beated the 7800GTX. But on march Nvidia will release a new 7900 card that is supossed to beat the mentioned ATI card, so they are always very close.
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Well, welcome :p

I don't disagree with you in any point. It's hard to say which graphics card producer that makes the best cards (S3 ^^). I can only say that i don't like Ati's drivers. Like nVIDIA's drivers more, they have better support for unix too
 
arnalion

arnalion

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arnalion said:
Hehe they have both cheated and optimized they're cards for 3dmark. Ati did it the last time whit it's X1900 series. it was a huge diffrence in the picture quality in 3dmark06. Ati said that it was a driver bug (and it probably was). Haven't seen any new tests with catalyst 6.2
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I said earlier that it was a driver bug.
 
t0rek

t0rek

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IMO the X1900XTX is better than the 7800GTX. However as I said, nVidia has still to release the 7900GTX
 
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NotMyRealAccoun

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Overall results CPU: AMD seems to be better than Intel, i think im buyin the newest AMD processor for my computer.

Overall results GPU: Nvidia and ATI sucks, they keep fighting to produce a better video card just to be "on the top", thats ok, but what Nvidia will improve on the newest 7900? I think they should stop for a while and then create "the best vc of all times". I think ill go on Nvidia cuz they seems to be less blinded than ATI.
 
ScottJC

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NotMyRealAccoun said:
Overall results GPU: Nvidia and ATI sucks, they keep fighting to produce a better video card just to be "on the top"
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Yeah... that's called "Competition", calling something bad based on competitive behavior is pretty childish - this is how the real world works, you make a product and someone else somewhere in the world tries to make a better one and people are forced to decide and this my friend is called "Choice";
 
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Doomulation

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NotMyRealAccoun said:
Overall results CPU: AMD seems to be better than Intel, i think im buyin the newest AMD processor for my computer.

Overall results GPU: Nvidia and ATI sucks, they keep fighting to produce a better video card just to be "on the top", thats ok, but what Nvidia will improve on the newest 7900? I think they should stop for a while and then create "the best vc of all times". I think ill go on Nvidia cuz they seems to be less blinded than ATI.
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I don't think that will happen. They will probably increase core and memory speed and perhaps add more vertex/pipelines to beat ati's top card. Then much later, they will release the 8XXX series with improved technology and stuff...
The 7900 will probably just be a card to beat the heck out of Ati's newest one.
 
arnalion

arnalion

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Which graphics card a person should buy depends on his/her needs. If the person uses unix is there no point of buying an Ati card.
 
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