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Intel or AMD? Nvidia or ATI?

WhiteX

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AMD any day, period.
Intel ppl does not think about gaming as much as AMD, for gaming, AMD all the way, however when a client asks for a powerfull and cool server, here in Brazil cooling is a bitch, i sell Intel.
Both Nvidia and ATI are good to me, it is just that here ATI is cheaper, so i can get mainstream ATI with entryway Nvidia prices.
 
What about the new Intel dual core processors with HT technology? In my opinion they are really good, and i think they support the newest 64bit softwares.

Oh yeah and they have a anti virus feature too. :p
 

Clements

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Moderator
Check some benchmarks. Athlon X2's have those beat those in almost every benchmark and produce much less heat doing so, and also the high-end X2's are cheaper than Intel's high-end.

In single-threaded applications, a lowly Pentium 4 clocked to the 3.4-3.6GHz destroys the Pentium D's since they had to be clocked really low (due to those heat issues) - whereas the X2 4800 and FX-60 are only beat a couple of times by the high-end FX-57 single core. So, with an FX-60, you get good performance in both single and multi-threaded applications, unlike the Pentium D which is generally only competitive in multi-threaded apps.

Intel is phasing out the entire line of these processors using the current Pentium D architecture in favour of a new one built for performance/watt like their excellent Pentium-M processor. Save up for these instead if you must have Intel.
 

arnalion

Nintendo Fan
Amd has always been good at gaming, but it has taken an advantage in almost everyting with it's 64: ors. The whole Pentium 4 was a big mistake, low performance/watt wasn't a good combination, the high price didn't make it better, and if we look at the prescotts (damn!) i can boil potatoes on my cpu.

Almost every "enthusiast" today uses Amd, and that's for a reason.
 

Blacklord

Banned
indeed AMD made it's reputation in gaming but still can't beat intel as much as it tries. Intel is one of the oldest and most trusted firms. It was here before, is here now, will be in the future. I just can't say the same about AMD even though they are flurishing.
 

Doomulation

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Amd is bettering in gaming, not for office ;)
But if it became, I wouldn't doubt that companies started to buy amds in the future, as amd is catching up to intel.
 

arnalion

Nintendo Fan
Blacklord said:
indeed AMD made it's reputation in gaming but still can't beat intel as much as it tries. Intel is one of the oldest and most trusted firms. It was here before, is here now, will be in the future. I just can't say the same about AMD even though they are flurishing.


Amd is not only good for gaming. It has taken an advantage in many parts that Intel ruled earlier. You don't know this because you're a common user. Intels reputation has never been so low as it is now. They have given extra prices to a lot of firms so they not would buy Amd (and now got sued). Amd is better then Intel OVERALL today. I don't get that "can't beat Intel as much as it tries", you better join a computer forum fast.
 
Instead sayin that AMD is good because its good, tell me why intel is bad. I dont think AMD is that good because all my friends who have the AMD class processors (athlon or sempron) have problems with dust; their pcs keeps rebooting all the time.

ChaosCode said:
I like ATI better becuase of the overlay is alot better for output to TV's
In my opinion, ATI have the worst drivers. 1º they dont have things organized like nvidia. 2º Their output color system dont support worldwide colors, in my case, PAL-M.

Im just bored with Nvidia because i cannot play motogp 3 with bloom effects :( I think it might be a driver issue that should be fixed soon.
 
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Clements

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Moderator
My AMD system does not have problems with dust since I know how to clean a computer. Dust accumulation is a common problem for pretty much all computers regardless of what processor they use, due to fans attracting dust. My computer also does not spontaneously reboot or lock up since I keep my system updated and have a well-ventilated case with dual 120mm case fans + a 90mm side fan that are kept clean.

I have already stated why Netburst chips aren't that great. Even Intel themselves are discontinuing them very soon (look at the recent Intel roadmap below, Conroe will replace them in most segments by Q3 2006). So if you buy a desktop Intel processor now, it will be massively outdated in half a year by greatly superior processors.

A Presler 65nm Pentium D has to be clocked at around 4.0GHz to be able beat a stock FX-60 (2.6GHz) - and it uses a lot more power doing so, and increases temperatures. Increased temperatures can cause system instability and the stock fans required to cool them will generally be louder unless you buy an aftermarket cooler etc. Intel motherboards tend to be expensive, and the high-end processors cost over $1000. Ultimately, a desktop AMD system is cheaper in the short term (lower prices for mobos and single core CPUs) and in the long term (lower running costs, less power requirements).

The only benchmarks Intel can now win are related to a few specific media encoding apps and some meaningless synthetic benchmarks. AMD chips win the other half of those media encoding tests, all the gaming benchmarks (by a huge margin in most cases), all of the application benchmarks (Mozilla, WinRAR compression), and now multitasking with the new X2 processors.

A Summary for desktop:

- AMD is cheaper
- AMD is faster in most cases (in gaming apps, low-end Athlon64s can beat Intel's high-end processors for a fraction of the price)
- AMD has much lower power consumption
- AMD processors run cooler
 
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I have heard that intel keep using high power to make it work faster, soon as you do something on your computer. Can anyone confirm?
 

Clements

Active member
Moderator
If you are refering to Intel's Speedstep technology (lowering or upping the multiplier depending on usage to conserve power), that is only available on mobile processors (P-M & P4-M) and not on their current desktop processors.

AMD's equivalent Cool 'N Quiet technology on the other hand is available on all their K8 processors including both desktop and mobile processors.
 

Doomulation

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All I see is large cache. Intel seems to be losing this war.
It's not that Intel is BAD, just that AMD is BETTER. And it has not happened overnight - it has been a long process.
Nevertheless, it might be a matter of personal preference - get what you want.
 

refraction

PCSX2 Coder
This is how it goes, or at least how i know it

Intel = Very good for doing heavy processing such as video editing, desktop publishing and massive calculations or what have you.

AMD = Altho they do well on the above, they are more for gaming, in most cases the AMDs run faster in games that intel chips do, i dont know why, personally i dont care.

Nvidia = Very fast cards, has some nice extra features in its pixel shaders such as dynamic branching, altho since recent cards from ATi, this hasnt become such an advantage. Usually capable of high levels of detail.

ATi = Also very fast cards. Gives a very vibrant looking image maybe at the very smallest cost of image quality (not really sure). Suffered a bit pre the X1800 cards in comparison due to no Dynamic Branching (in 2.0a NVIDIA's PS extension) but since the X1800 has contained something called Ultra-Threading which seems to compete and even beat the Nvidias Dynamic branching, but performance between the 2 in games is still neglegable.


So for gaming, its an AMD chip then the rest is really up to you and your budget, its difficult to point out which one is really the best, they are pretty much neck and neck these days.
 

Agozer

16-bit Corpse | Moderator
Why do people even make these vs. thread? There are bound to be at least some fanboy comments. Although in this case, comments have been backed up with some actual knowledge as well.
 

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