Doomulation said:
Why would you want the compiler without the language itself?
And that hello world app...i don't like it, i never did. Shows a stupid dos-box.
Would you like me to indlude the windows header and create a Windows messgae box that pops up?
Remember not every OS runs off the Windows header
I know almost everyone here programs under windows but ya never know when someone may be running off a *unix/bsd/"OS/2 " system, this will work under all those OSs.
oh and Trotterwatch,
Im glad your liking VB, its not very intimidating, thats anyther reason I think newbies should start off with it

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If you need help with starting off go to
http://www.vbworld.com , They have alot of tutorials and help forums you can browser through.
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oh yea, and why would you want a compiler insted of the language?
With both c/c++ the language is basic text. thats right, your programming (source) isn't encripted in any magical way, its just got a nice *.c of *.cpp extension. It can be created in a text editor such as Notepad/wordpad/EMacs then its just sent into the compiler with some command like optimizations/options. This is the same with VC++. VC++ just makes everything look pretty, also for anyone running KDE/GNOME I came accross a nice looking C/C++ compiler that has many of the same features as VC++, I'll post a link in a few mins for ya'll

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