God

[vampireuk]

If you want to play blind man, go walk with the Shepard. But me, my eyes are wide-fucking-open.

Jaz you're welsh :happy:

 

[blizz]

Jaz you're welsh :happy:

that means he is a Shepard, of course that opens a whole can of worms that the Welsh and the New Zealanders will lead us...

and all because they like sheep

/me starts smoking... again

 

[rico001]

War

I have red the bible :satisfied (in fact, I have probably read more of it than anybody here)

Here are some of the more memorable passages I have read, which I recommend that both of you read: exodus 12:12, ezekiel 9:4 through 9:6, I samuel 15:2 to 15:3, hosea 13:16...just to name a few

All of these verses seem to show about war.
I also guessed by your quote.

People have a free will. They are free to dicide who they serve and what they want to do with their life. I think reasons for war involve 2 things. For bad people to hurt good people and To stop people from getting hurt (maybe like with Saddom). Just my opinion.

I also believe that Jesus is God in reply to RA55555. This is what the book "More than a carpenter" talks about. I haven't read it all yet, I am only on page 9 or 10.

At John 10:30 in the bible Jesus talks about himsel f. You might want to check it.
You can also get an electronic/software copy of the bible and search verses.

If you don't think that Jesus is God, maybe you think he is crazy and anyone who believes in Him is. The book by Josh also talks
about this... What are your thoughts on this everyone?

 

[Clements]

Isn't this the trinity where Jesus, God and the holy spirit are one and the same thing? I think that's just Catholics, though (not sure). You could have guessed I not religious, I am a man of science. (I know scientists can be religious, but meh!)

Anyway, the argument that your religion is the same as your parents seems to me a good enough reason for me not to believe. Indoctrination at a young age, in my opinion. I, of course respect everybody's beliefs, as if it makes them happy and it doesn't cause harm, it's all a good thing.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Re: War

People have a free will. They are free to dicide who they serve and what they want to do with their life.

Nope, the bible says that you will submit to god and do as he says.

I have heard religious preachers say that god wants you to be able to decide whether or not you will be good or evil, however, think about the origional sin; the very root of your beliefs on how one should act. According to your judeo-christian beliefs, we are still being punished for one person disobeying god, so god clearly does not want you to do as you choose. (look at the object of the punishment, the tree of knowledge, this sends the message that "knowledge is sin", so the moral is be stupid and ignorant and god will love you)

More food for thought: If god is all powerful, and god is good, then how can there be evil in the world? He must lack one of these traits.

If you don't think that Jesus is God,

He calls himself the son of god, not god. Jesus said all you need to do is stick to the 10 commandments. By calling jesus god, you are breaking your religions first commandment.

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My primary stance on religion is that I like to provoke thought. Whether or not I believe it is irrelavent.

 

[Eagle]

I think we need to ban discussions of God and Politics at emutalk. It always seems to get us into trouble.

 

[Jaz]

I fucking hate debates about God and the like. Now I go to church every Sunday. But what I believe is what I believe. I'm not going to force it onto anyone else, nor do I expect anyone else to force what they believe onto me. It's a pointless debate because it's a personal thing.

Beleive what you want. But keep it to yourself.

 

[AlphaWolf]

All religions think they are the right religion, yet at the same time they all conflict with one another. Aside from the obvious point behind this statement, you can conclude that everybody is living in a different reality (remember that reality only exists in your mind), and what is real to one person is simply unacceptable to another (even if deep down they know that it is a cold truth) enough so that they will fight to spread their own reality and destroy the conflicting realities. Hence, we get holy wars

 

[Jimbot]

There is no God. It doesnt make sense. We are completely alone life forms that just happened to evolve complex brains (survival of the fittest, right?). Everyone just needed something to believe in, and so coincidences in the early ages got exaggerated and turned into godly stories.

I have spoken.

 

[Eagle]

There is no God. It doesnt make sense. We are completely alone life forms that just happened to evolve complex brains (survival of the fittest, right?). Everyone just needed something to believe in, and so coincidences in the early ages got exaggerated and turned into godly stories.

I have spoken.

I hate to join this but I'm going to anyway due to that comment. Think about it, is it really just a coincidence that we formed life on this one little mudball with such diversity. I mean come on. Its evidence in itself of a plan formed by a higher power.

If youve taken an astronomy class before, you would realize how many times you run across similarities. I mean think about it. The moon goes around the earth, the planets,asteroids, and commets go around the sun, the sun goes around whatever is in the center of the galaxy, the planets are circular and rotate on their axis as does the sun as does (presumably) the galaxy. And it wouldnt be a far fetched to say the galaxy goes around something else along with the rest of the galaxies. Why does our universe have such an infatuation with elipses? Yes I know all the gravity bit, but still it goes further.... The electron goes around the nucleus, yet another elipse. ElectoMagnatism? Perhaps, or maybe the work of a higher power. Look at all the coincence. There are many more where that came from. It just doesnt seem plausable that it just happened just "because".

Now I'm not one to say that god really does exist, I believe he does, but I really dont know. But think of all the things that just "happened" to be the way they are. Why are they that way? Could nothingness really have created such an elaborate scheme as the human body? And then recreate similar such beings in all the animals?

 

[AlphaWolf]

I hate to join this but I'm going to anyway due to that comment. Think about it, is it really just a coincidence that we formed life on this one little mudball with such diversity.

*shrug* why not?

Now I'm not one to say that god really does exist, I believe he does, but I really dont know. But think of all the things that just "happened" to be the way they are. Why are they that way?

So did god just "happen" to be the way he/she/it is?

Could nothingness really have created such an elaborate scheme as the human body? And then recreate similar such beings in all the animals?

Evolution. Life is a constantly moving process, each individual lifeform creates a new version of itself. If the new creation passes the test of survival, its a success and its slightly new design is passed on and improved yet again in this same process. Over extremely long periods of time, these improvements can become extremely complex. It's like technology. Bad designs are thrown out, good designs are kept and improved upon, truely innovative designs are used in a mass scale. Designs that are replaced by better ones become obsolete, and become extinct. From the wheel to the computer, from the protein to the human....similar concepts :satisfied

Where does nothingness come into play here? Well, consider this. If we measured time on earth from the "birth" of the very first life form to where we are now on a 12 hour clock, the first 11 hours would be microscopic lifeforms. The 12th hour would be mostly very basic animals and plants. Human life would be the last second or two on the clock. The more time goes by, the faster the rate that life evolves, and it does so at an exponential rate.

 

[2fast4u]

the argument "god" doesnt really leave much room for a serious discussion since religious people always get back at the point that its just faith - and they are damn right. take it or leave it.

as for me, im not a christian or a jew or muslim or whatever and i havent entered or even come close to a church in 8 years. and hopefully that was the last thing i have to say in this thread.

 

[CpU MasteR]

/me sighs...

another god thread :getlost:

 

[Eagle]

Evolution. Life is a constantly moving process, each individual lifeform creates a new version of itself. If the new creation passes the test of survival, its a success and its slightly new design is passed on and improved yet again in this same process. Over extremely long periods of time, these improvements can become extremely complex. It's like technology. Bad designs are thrown out, good designs are kept and improved upon, truely innovative designs are used in a mass scale. Designs that are replaced by better ones become obsolete, and become extinct. From the wheel to the computer, from the protein to the human....similar concepts :satisfied

But evolution itself seems so complex it needed some form of higher power to plan it. Is it just coincidence than evolution works the way it does?

Where does nothingness come into play here? Well, consider this. If we measured time on earth from the "birth" of the very first life form to where we are now on a 12 hour clock, the first 11 hours would be microscopic lifeforms. The 12th hour would be mostly very basic animals and plants. Human life would be the last second or two on the clock. The more time goes by, the faster the rate that life evolves, and it does so at an exponential rate.

No, nothingness goes further than that. Before the microscopic life forms, before the earth, before the stars and the planets, before the big bang, before there was any matter to have a big bang from.

The big bang (simplified) claims that all the matter in the universe was compressed into a space smaller than the nucleus of an atom until it exploded. But where did this matter come from?

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I dont know why I participated in it in the first place, but there is no convincing someone who doesnt want to be convinced so whats the point.

 

[AlphaWolf]

But evolution itself seems so complex it needed some form of higher power to plan it. Is it just coincidence than evolution works the way it does?

Well, you need to think in bigger terms here. Life is constantly doing trial and error, hence why most species die and few survive. This trial and error process is called natural selection, it needs no planning by anything. There is not necessarily an upward or definite direction here, the only goal is which species survives best.

No, nothingness goes further than that. Before the microscopic life forms, before the earth, before the stars and the planets, before the big bang, before there was any matter to have a big bang from.

The big bang (simplified) claims that all the matter in the universe was compressed into a space smaller than the nucleus of an atom until it exploded. But where did this matter come from?

As of yet unanswered, it may never be answered. But even if it was created by a superior sentient being, where did this being come from?

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I dont know why I participated in it in the first place, but there is no convincing someone who doesnt want to be convinced so whats the point.

Well, its not that somebody doesn't want to be convinced, its that they can be so set in their own beliefs, that they will have a hard time accepting an alternative reality.

 

[gokuss4]

to me personally, i think god only started the matter in the universe. he made the big bang through the process as we know today. I don't think god really created us, he did in a way. i think he was the one who started it all, and let the universe create itself. maybe Earth wasn't the only planet he visited. well who knows really, well...only god knows. i also think that maybe through gods eyes the earth was created in 7 days, but in our eyes or whatever, it was created in 4.6 billion years. anyways thats my view, im part of the christian belief btw, but apart of the Science-Christian belief

 

[DrSteveW]

God is Dead.... Nietzsche

BUT... On another note:

Nietzsche is Dead.... God

So go figure. The whole debate about God is utterly pointless. You either believe in God or you don't, it's as simple as that. There is no irrefutable "evidence" for the masses. If there was evidence of God then there'd be a hella lot more Christians, right? The whole point is you're supposed to accept Jesus into your life IF your belief and faith lead you to that. Trying to force into belief just doesn't happen, the world doesn't work that way. You've only got to look at how people became Christians. I myself am a believer, and I have fantastic evidence for that belief, BUT, and here's a big BUT, that evidence only applies to me, because of the circumstances that brought it about. If I was to testify my "evidence" nobody would believe it and if they did believe it they'd have to be a bit nutty to be honest.

 

[DrSteveW]

"Could nothingness really have created such an elaborate scheme as the human body? And then recreate similar such beings in all the animals? "

In an infinite world of infinite time and infinite space, there must be infinite possibilities... So yes, nothingness could have created human beings. Read "God And The New Physics", there's an interesting chapter on how matter was created from "nothing".

 

[AlphaWolf]

God is Dead.... Nietzsche

BUT... On another note:

Nietzsche is Dead.... God

Heh. Nietzsche had a good bit of advice that everybody should follow though. Whether you believe in god or not, god is not going to fix every single one of your problems. For example, you have a very important final that you need to take. If you don't study for it, god isn't going to just all of a sudden guide you through the entire test. You can't just sleep through an entire class semester, then at the end of it say "Oh god, I have full faith in you, give me the strength to pass this test! Amen!", because your going to fail no matter how strong your faith is. It's up to you and you alone to shape the worlds definition of who you are and what you accomplish. You are responsible for your own success, and nobody is going to hold your hand through it all.

BTW, Nietzsche was actualy born into a religious family

 

[Jaz]

* CpU MasteR sighs...

another god thread :getlost:

Amen.

Time to say good-bye.