Fucking Twatting Microsoft Has Pissed me Right off Now!

[demon]

I hated the *****, jumped up fuckers before but now it's got worse. Microsoft has only gone and baught Rareware. This means no more excellent quality games for the Nintendo consoles which will most certainly kill Nintendo and they will have to go the same way as Sega did in making software only. But the thing that gets me is that Nintendo basacally told Rare "on yer bike, piss off". They are fucking mad. Rare was the only company that kept the N64 going and sealed the GameCube into being made. Now Microcock has Rare, games like the new Perfect Dark and Banjo games will will appear on the xbox and be completly shite.

And if Microsoft decides that they are not going make any more consoles after the Xbox has died (which can't be too far from reality), then Rare will be kicked onto the street and may very well go bust. Microsoft don't care about who they destroy on the way in their massive blunders.

Thanks a lot Nintendo for fucking Rare off and Microcock for buying them and giving them a slow and long winded painfull death when the Xbox finally dies. The Xbox is only being kept alive longer because Microsoft is pouring more and more cash into it because each console sold is losing money and they have to sell around 7 to 10 games with each console sold just to break even with the console cost with selling it at the price they do.

 

[Malcolm]

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well, me thinks that your writing completely out of rage. Nintendo has already talked about going to way of Sega and just making games for sony and MS. Personally I don't care if MS takes the console market. If people are buying their consoles then they are stupid enough not to have noticed what as been going on with MS for the last 10 years.

As for Nintendo tell Rare to just screw-off, it was more like MS saying we hold most of your stock, your ours now. Nintendo wtill holds the copy right titles for Donkey Kong and some other Nintendo characters.

I agree that Rare saved Nintendos butt but the big N isn't worried about that anymore. They just need to stock up some money, sell off their manufacturing plants or convert the plants to software dev offices and the start to fugure out what type of games they'd like to make, kiddie, teen, mature or adult.

thats my 2 cents

 

[blizz]

it was quite easily a money thing, Nintendo and Rare are rumoured to have had problems for a long time, especially with a massive lack of games in the past few years (PD, BT then what?)

oh yeah from Seville in Spain where Microsoft confirmed the buyout

"5 games in the next 2 years" I really doubt that unless Microsoft spends a fortune, but having said that most of them were probably at least 1/4 to 1/2 completed for the GameCube (or should have been)

they'll still be like Tecmo is to SEGA though, second rate

this is not a bad thing for Nintendo it just means they spend their money in more sensible places like Genius Sonority who are being headed by Manabu Yamana, one of Dragon Quest 7's (Enix) lead programmers, simply put the home market is more important for Nintendo right now.

 

[sytaylor]

rare have gotten sloppy latley anyways... just a random slashdot view

 

[AlphaWolf]

Looks like nintendo is headed for rough times. Can't say I am going to miss having recreations of the same games over and over again though

http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=1490845

 

[64ultramaniac]

F*ck you Stamper bros.This is the only thing I can say for Rare right now.Your historic company isn't going anywhere now.You can rest assured that this is the END of Rare.F*ck you again,lamers.
As for Nintendo,will continue to be strong and deliver as has done all these years now.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I am surprised how little that cost them, to microsoft 375 million dollars is about as much pocket change as you spend on a whopper at burger king.

But rare themselves are hardly to blame, if anything its nintendo. Its a public stock, microsoft acquired 51% of Rares stock from other companies or private individuals, then bought the other 49% from nintendo themselves.

I recall saying a while ago on this forum that nintendo in a few years will end up where sega was (a software only company). This is even more looking to be true.

 

[crhylove]

you are all forgetting one key thing:

NINTENDO OWNS ALL PORTABLE GAMING.

i can't wait for the gameboy64... of course by then i'll have a l33t athlon handheld that runs pj2.3 .

Microsoft is the devil, but rare is just some game house. what's the big deal?

the thing that pisses ME off is the recent xbox change that disallows mod chips. we all need to go dev heavy for linux and get off the MS tit altogether. that's the only altruistic thing to do.

i'm no nintendo fan anyway, they are an abusive corporation who is interested in only one thing: money. just like all corporations. ever met a person who only was interested in money that you liked? NO?!? then why would you like ANY corporation?

this is why *I* am into emulation. down with corporations!!!!

rhy

 

[64ultramaniac]

But rare themselves are hardly to blame, if anything its nintendo. Its a public stock, microsoft acquired 51% of Rares stock from other companies or private individuals, then bought the other 49% from nintendo themselves.

I recall saying a while ago on this forum that nintendo in a few years will end up where sega was (a software only company). This is even more looking to be true.

Stamper bros were the owners of 51%.There was no reason for Nintendo to keep the 49% since Microcock had the 51%.
And Nintendo will always be Nintendo aka the BEST .

 

[64ultramaniac]

i'm no nintendo fan anyway, they are an abusive corporation who is interested in only one thing: money. just like all corporations. ever met a person who only was interested in money that you liked? NO?!? then why would you like ANY corporation?

ROTFLOL,you're saying that for Nintendo?Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about man.

 

[sk8bloke22]

my m8 who worked for lionhead last year testing the Creature Isles expansion pack said that according to some of the employees at Lionhead, Nintendo were bastards to work for, and in particular Rare were having massive disagreements with certain franchises. also, one of the main executives said that they were put off about working on the gamecube due to Nintendo's poor treatment of 2nd/3rd party companies (remember they were gonna port Black and White to the psx a while back, it was sorta around then). sorta word of mouth view, but still it wouldnt surprise me one bit if it was true.

 

[64ultramaniac]

Nintendo has helped many companies amongst the years and continues to do so.But I bet you don't know what Yamauchi did when he retired eh?What Rare has become until now,it owes it to Nintendo.Too bad for them,that they going to have such an awful death now...

 

[AlphaWolf]

Stamper bros were the owners of 51%.There was no reason for Nintendo to keep the 49% since Microcock had the 51%.
And Nintendo will always be Nintendo aka the BEST .

And why do you suppose they sold it? It's because they know that nintendo is slowing down, they are relieing on the same old shit and they know which end of the toilet nintendo is about to flow into. Why stay on a sinking ship when somebody (microsoft) throws you a lifesaver?

Nintendo has helped many companies amongst the years and continues to do so.

Damn, I must be missing something because last I checked they weren't a charity.

In the genesis days, nintendo did similar stuff to sega that microsoft is doing to them now, they required third party developers to sign agreements saying that they would only develop games for nintendos systems. If thats not trying to be a monopolist, then I don't know what is.

I used to be a fan of nintendo til the N64 days when they got too full of themselves. (e.g. spreading FUD about CDs, limiting their documentation so that only they would be the ones to be able to release the best games, etc)

 

[Macca]

if nintendo are going to do a sega cause of rare, explain to me why the gc has sold any units?

yes rare saved the 64 but thats the past, they have done nothing for the gc, the first title is only just coming out. i just don't see your argument as being real. saving that nintendo relies on rare would totally write off the fact that gamecubes have been selling decent numbers since launch

Sure Rare was great but its not like ninty are screwed without them.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Well, the answer to that lies in the reasoning I quit liking nintendo back in the day. Nintendo decided that they want to make more money by making more games than the third party developers. So they go ahead and cripple em in various ways. I didn't mind this too much at the time, companies do these kinds of things.

But like I always did at the time, I wanted to wait for a lot of good games to come out for a particular console before I bought it. At that time I took a look around....whatever happened to konami? square? capcom? just to name a few...they weren't releasing SHIT for the n64, instead the n64 just had these crappy games like diddy kong racing. Where were they? Playstation of course, because they were sick of nintendos policy, and nintendo didn't care that they lost them because they had this mindset that only they produce the truely good games, so they don't need em anyways (big mistake). To this day they still have that mindset, and rare was their partner. Now who these days produces good games that are ONLY for the gamecube? well, I suppose nintendo does. Sure these third party guys make the occasional game or so for a nintendo console, but like all of em are on the PS2 also, and rare was the only exception. Now that rares gone, nintendo is up shit creek without a paddle so far as the future is concerned (they actualy were anyways, just rare was helping delay the process). They have to either pull a sega, or reconcile the hell out of their relations with third party developers, and I highly doubt its going to be the later.

 

[sytaylor]

if nintendo are going to do a sega cause of rare, explain to me why the gc has sold any units?

yes rare saved the 64 but thats the past, they have done nothing for the gc, the first title is only just coming out. i just don't see your argument as being real. saving that nintendo relies on rare would totally write off the fact that gamecubes have been selling decent numbers since launch

Sure Rare was great but its not like ninty are screwed without them.

simple... it hasn't sold that many units in the grand scheme of things... its tanking in europe, doing poorly in japan, its only america where its actually selling, and even then the aging ps2 is owning it... gamecubes have been selling ok at best, but i mean so did the DC for a while, the gamecube just has no real killer apps, with only mario sunshine in line to be one

hell i struggle to see how nintendo would survive as a next gen software developer at all, as a portable device maker they own though

 

[RatTrap]

Alpha.. as allways.. you think and say what you think and make it sound like fact..

Konami and Capcom didn't go well in the beginning with the N64 because it was cartridge.. they both had planned games for "Project Reality" back when it was CDRom-based.. back when it was working with Panasonic.. it had nothing to do with their policy.. the N64 policy didn't change at all from the one they had made for the SNES.. and the big N's policy is not liked by game devers.. yeah.. that is true.. but it's loved by game companies as a whole.. the quality part is the most interesting.. bcoz mainly what it says.. is they wan't quality games and when it comes to conversions they want the best conversions possible.. so.. they have the quality asurance policy.. wich makes the games run thru beta testers working at Nintendo themselfs.. to make sure the ppl making the conversion make a good one.. this is why nintendo was so expensive for 3rd party dev Companies.. the reason why the devers don't like this.. is coz nintendo will send the game back to them and say.. "this is bad.. you should fix this and this and this before releasing".. and of course.. devers would hate that.. because it makes ppl redoo games.. costs more money.. takes more time.. ppl get frustrated.. etc.. but the chiefs in the companies would get happy with this.. coz the end result was allways abit better.. just as you saw back then with most arcade conversions.. the SNES had the better conversion compared to the Genesis.. in Street fighter and Mortal Kombat etc.. and that is why it was also alot cheaper to make a game for the Genesis.. then for the SNES.. Sega didn't have the same type of policy.. they just let any game hit the shops.. wich is why Sega games where cheaper then SNES games.. in the end the money thing kind of balanced it self out comparing Gen with SNES..

as i said the N64 had the same policy.. and the cartridge thing.. wich Capcom and others didn't really believe in anymore.. prices where high for the roms.. CD's where cheap.. and you could'nt fitt as much in a cartridge.. the PSX was flooded by companies that wanted to make "big" games wich would fitt in a CD.. and that is why the PSX won.. and the N64 kind of lost..

that i know of.. the Big N has changed their policy with the GC.. but have still got the quality asurance policy thing..



i was talking bout this with a guy i know from japan who told me the other day.. that on the japanese Rare site like half a year b4 the cube came out.. there had been screens and some news about a new DK game to come along with the GC release.. there have been no news about this or even rumors after that.. and what seems to be the case.. as he told it to me.. is that there was supposed to be a Rare game to come out when the GC came out..

so if that would be true.. they were'nt able to deliver.. also.. we have the lameness about the GBA and Rare.. and now we have the really late Fox game.. on top of that.. they have gonne from making nintendo 15% of their worldwide sales.. back in the SNES days.. to 1.5% now FY 02.. and as we all know after the N64 the big N is doing bad when it comes to the benjamins.. if i was nintendo.. i would've sold Rare too..

 

[AlphaWolf]

Alpha.. as allways.. you think and say what you think and make it sound like fact..

not fact, just sounding more credible (argumentive tactics, if you will, to prove a point).

But anyways yes, the cds (so shoot me if I didn't mention it in my second post, but it doesn't matter much because nintendo is using mini dvds now and they still haven't captured a big 3rd party audience), the policies, among others; they all went hand in hand. I know that these companies vested interest in N64 years before it even debuted, but I don't buy anything unless I actualy see that its capable of delivering something worthwhile, which it did not. (IMO people who buy consoles right when they come out are nuts. GC to me is taking an all too similar path to the N64. Yeah square said they were coming back, but again they haven't delivered, and even if they did, I won't buy a whole console just for 2 or so games that I like, phantasy star online being one of them, which is already due out for other platforms, as well as any square game)

 

[DuDe]

PA anyone?

 

[RatTrap]

Dude.. eh.. yeah hehe..

anyways..

i never said the GC is doing that great.. on the contrary.. i said the big N is doing bad.. wich is why they sold Rare.. as in being a good strategic move other then a last resort.. they are probably better now then they where b4.. and the one game will still be comming out anyways.. so they don't lose much other then a game that maybe Rare would've released in a year or 2..

another thing.. i sold my PS2 after a few months.. coz it was doing terrible when it came out.. and i know alot of ppl who thought the same.. like half a year ago some descent games started to come out.. FFX is alright.. but it's nothing special if you think game wize.. if your interested in eye candy though that's diferent.. but in reality.. tell me what really good games are there for the PS2 anyways?.. are there really that many?.. for the time that it's been out?.. tell me what games i should buy with a PS2 now?.. and don't even start it with the big comersial games.. bcoz what magazines say about games don't mean squat to me.. most are biased.. bought.. don't even test games well enugh.. or amazed by the eye candy..

the GC is fairly new still.. i have'nt seen that many games for it that i like eather.. but if you ask me.. the kids seem to like it a whole lot more then the PS2.. and once mario hits.. it's gonna be even more popular.. not to talk about zelda..

and about making your self sound more credable.. that's just an excuse to be able to say what you think and make it sound right.. you've said you wanna be a layer.. ok.. nice.. so you wanna be a layer based on lies?.. made up stuff?.. coz making your thoughts that are'nt even sure to be true.. more credible.. is called lying.. you should really stick to the trueth..