Fps?!?

erno · Nov 13, 2005

Fps

The Dolphin "Teaser" version is faster. The wind waker running nerbay 10 fps.
In the rooms 15-20 fps.

DR.BETRUGER · Nov 13, 2005

TerraPhantm said:
GFLOPS can not be converted to GHz, and FLOPS are a useless value to benchmark with because the complexity of the calculations could change everything. An Athlon 64 FX-57 runs at "only" 2.8GHz, but is arguably the fastest processor out there. I know the Athlon 64 is 64-bit, but the latest P4s are also 64-bit, and it doesn't make a difference when running a 32-bit OS.

The 360 will most definitely need a faster computer, consoles in the next generation are extremely close to power to top-end PCs (the graphics processors are actually more powerful), so the first emulator might take even longer to create then it did for this generation.

Ιt is true that a 360 emulator, will need a faster computer to run, but i dont think that it will be harder to create a 360 emulator, because the xbox 360 cpu is a IBM POWER PC. Gamecube cpu is a IBM Power pc too, but it is slower than the 360 cpu. So a 360 emulator will not be harder than creating a gamecube emulator.

Guru64 · Nov 13, 2005

DR.BETRUGER said:
Ιt is true that a 360 emulator, will need a faster computer to run, but i dont think that it will be harder to create a 360 emulator, because the xbox 360 cpu is a IBM POWER PC. Gamecube cpu is a IBM Power pc too, but it is slower than the 360 cpu. So a 360 emulator will not be harder than creating a gamecube emulator.

don't forget the CPU isn't the only thing that needs to be emulated, but the other chips in the Xbox 360 too.

spotanjo3 · Nov 13, 2005

Actually, gamecube emulator is easy to create than PS2 EMU.

DR.BETRUGER · Nov 13, 2005

Yes i know that cpu is not the only thing that need to emulate. I think that maybe a 512 mb grafics card a Athlon64 will be enough for a 360 emulator. But does anyone wants to create a 360 emulator ?

General Plot · Nov 13, 2005

bohdy said:
Just full of these "facts" aren't you.

In actuality, the X2 has a peak thoroughput closer to 20 GFLOPS, and the Gekko is a (mostly) 32-bit cpu with a peak throughput of close to 2 GLOPS.

You really should do more research before misinforming others.

I did my research before attempting to explain this. Note here: http://member.telpacific.com.au/trat2422/xg.html shows Gamecube specs and I can't recall where I got the GFLOPS rating on the X2.

I didn't just throw out numbers that sounded good, just so you know that.

So don't go around saying shit like that when you really don't know.

bohdy · Nov 14, 2005

generalplot said:
I did my research before attempting to explain this. Note here: http://member.telpacific.com.au/trat2422/xg.html shows Gamecube specs and I can't recall where I got the GFLOPS rating on the X2. I didn't just throw out numbers that sounded good, just so you know that. So don't go around saying shit like that when you really don't know.

Quite the authoritative source you have there.

It did sound exactly like you were pulling numbers from thin air considering how wrong you were, so you should raise your standards for research in future.

And Dr. Betruger: Please stop. Your ignorance is making my brain hurt.

Considering that we need maybe roughly CPU's double the power of what we have now to emulate the GC, and that even the Xbox 360 is (very roughly) around 50 times the power of the GC, then we won't be seing an emulator for the next-gen platforms for a very long time. Even if Moores law (which was supposed to be about transistor counts) holds in that CPU power doubles in a useful way every 18 months it will take as long as 7 years for PC's to become fast to enough, and that is not counting all the other issues that there could be.

mono · Nov 15, 2005

generalplot said:
I did my research before attempting to explain this. Note here: http://member.telpacific.com.au/trat2422/xg.html shows Gamecube specs and I can't recall where I got the GFLOPS rating on the X2. I didn't just throw out numbers that sounded good, just so you know that. So don't go around saying shit like that when you really don't know.

So you got the Gamecube information off a random fan website and made up the rest of it. Nice.

Don't think that you can just pull stuff off a website and become an expert. You have to actually know these things.

General Plot · Nov 15, 2005

mono said:
So you got the Gamecube information off a random fan website and made up the rest of it. Nice.

Don't think that you can just pull stuff off a website and become an expert. You have to actually know these things.

Oh, and I suppose you're some sort of expert? I was only trying to put things in perspective. I didn't see you try to give any kind of explanation, or anyone else for that matter. I didn't see you contributing in any way. Damn n00b.

mono · Nov 19, 2005

*sigh* Don't spout BS that you can't back up. People like you should keep their thoughts to themselves.

DR.BETRUGER · Nov 25, 2005

ector said:
Although one of my plans for this spring is to build myself a dual core computer... If I find some time I might try to tear off the graphics processing into a separate thread. I'm pretty sure it can be done and would give some speed boost. No promises though

So you say, that the next version of Dolphin will be compatible with dual-core cpu?

General Plot · Nov 26, 2005

mono said:
*sigh* Don't spout BS that you can't back up. People like you should keep their thoughts to themselves.

Practice what you preach.

childofbhaal · Nov 26, 2005

Reading all this actually make me a bit sad. Now I wasn't expecting full emulation inside of a year. Heck, I knew I would be half way through college before GC emulation would be any good. Till then, I would just keep buying my GC games (Living in Ghana, this is hard.) But saying that this PC that I will be keeping for 2 or 3 years (till I save up another $4000/5000 to buy a new high - end PC. I am not upgrading because I am going for an M2 board or whatever is avialable) will not play GC to their full potential is kinda annoying. Meh.

That said, what is the biggest bottleneck for GC emulation? I know there are otehr parts, but because of how you peeps are glowering on it, I am guessing its the CPU. Apart rom the CPU, is PC hardware also lacking in the power to emulate the other chips?

Also, I was going to talk about the HT vs. Dual-Core thing but someone beat me to it. In any case, because Multi-Core CPUs are far from mainstream (especially since AMD is far from mainstream, despite being better gaming processors. Kinda Proven) I wonder how much effort will be put into multithreads. Meh, my thought train just went poof. Kinda sleepy here.

General Plot · Nov 26, 2005

childofbhaal said:
That said, what is the biggest bottleneck for GC emulation? I know there are otehr parts, but because of how you peeps are glowering on it, I am guessing its the CPU. Apart rom the CPU, is PC hardware also lacking in the power to emulate the other chips?

Yup, CPU is the biggest bottleneck at the moment. It's pretty much the same bottleneck for all next-gen emulators, including PCSX2.

Enkera · Nov 27, 2005

Bwahahaha! I'm running this thing at 49 FPS minimum! What y'all complaining about?! Well i must say that i don't have a 'real' PC

I've build this with some friends at the research lab in collage! This POWERKILLER (yes, that's the name

) runs on: (be prepared) a costum processor-combo with 4 (YES 4!) Pentium 4 Extreme Editions! It's installed on a totally hand-made motherboard! Yep - handmade! that thing is so large it's a wall on it's own! we're tuning all the paths of the threads ect to get to the MAX! We just installed 2 nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX GPU's!! I wanted to test em - guess what? running Xeon 1.0 with Halo at an OVER FPS! this is so cool... you can't imagine the relief of now having ANY waiting times AT ALL! i start up this thing - it takes half a second for the Windows Vista Logon screen pops up! (yes - Dolphin is compatible with Vista no thanks for the test

) we've recieved a mail from Rare if they could use this thing to ACTUALLY TEST-DRIVE XBOX360 BETA'S!!! We were friggin happy! But our m*therf*cking teacher told them 'this is a study project - not a money bank' ... JESUS THAT GUY IS OUT OF HIS FRIGGIN MIND! i can't wait to get to school tomorrow!!! I'm going to just... well - uhm - RUN DOOM III AND HALFLIFE AT A RESOLUTION OF 1600x1200 SIMUTAINUISLY!!! if thats even possible hehehe... i just had to tell you guys this! your allways worrying about the friggin FPS! me too! the stupid thing i'm on now (i'm calling a P4:EE with an Ati card (no idea - it runs DOOM3

) crap) has the same FPS problems u got... this rocks... i'm gonna buy that thing! (it was 4000 to make our teacher had to sqeeze it out of the priciple

)

maxim(L2) · Nov 27, 2005

sooo..... whats the bus.........speed.....^^^^^^ and what intructions do you use to run them at the same time....

bohdy · Nov 27, 2005

Enkera said:
Bwahahaha! I'm running this thing at 49 FPS minimum! What y'all complaining about?! Well i must say that i don't have a 'real' PC I've build this with some friends at the research lab in collage! This POWERKILLER (yes, that's the name ) runs on: (be prepared) a costum processor-combo with 4 (YES 4!) Pentium 4 Extreme Editions! It's installed on a totally hand-made motherboard! Yep - handmade! that thing is so large it's a wall on it's own! we're tuning all the paths of the threads ect to get to the MAX! We just installed 2 nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX GPU's!! I wanted to test em - guess what? running Xeon 1.0 with Halo at an OVER FPS! this is so cool... you can't imagine the relief of now having ANY waiting times AT ALL! i start up this thing - it takes half a second for the Windows Vista Logon screen pops up! (yes - Dolphin is compatible with Vista no thanks for the test ) we've recieved a mail from Rare if they could use this thing to ACTUALLY TEST-DRIVE XBOX360 BETA'S!!! We were friggin happy! But our m*therf*cking teacher told them 'this is a study project - not a money bank' ... JESUS THAT GUY IS OUT OF HIS FRIGGIN MIND! i can't wait to get to school tomorrow!!! I'm going to just... well - uhm - RUN DOOM III AND HALFLIFE AT A RESOLUTION OF 1600x1200 SIMUTAINUISLY!!! if thats even possible hehehe... i just had to tell you guys this! your allways worrying about the friggin FPS! me too! the stupid thing i'm on now (i'm calling a P4:EE with an Ati card (no idea - it runs DOOM3 ) crap) has the same FPS problems u got... this rocks... i'm gonna buy that thing! (it was 4000 to make our teacher had to sqeeze it out of the priciple )

Yeah, I'll bet.

Enkera · Nov 27, 2005

ddd

maxim(L2) said:
sooo..... whats the bus.........speed.....^^^^^^ and what intructions do you use to run them at the same time....

We don't know yet

We just booted it today since the nVidia's got in late

i'm gonna check out tommorow

BlueFalcon7 · Nov 28, 2005

video capture it a game like super mario sunshine or some game with graphics glitches so we no its dolphin (this I gotta see)

General Plot · Nov 28, 2005

OMG, this is getting so lame. Can someone please clse this thread?

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