F1 Countdown!
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Although true, I'm still cheering for Schumi as the winner... No one has taken more poles and / or wins at australia then him...
Michael Schumacher (1st, 1:27.419):
"We are quite pleased with today's performance and we feel more confident than before arriving here. But I am not over confident because a lot can change between today and Saturday. Actually, I am a little bit surprised about the gap to the other teams, but as usual on Friday you can never be sure about what fuel loads teams are running. Anyway, the Bridgestone tires were working very well which contributed to our performance. But I will now study the data more fully to get a more complete picture."
Ralf Schumacher (3rd, 1:28.821): "We were a bit unlucky with the weather today. At the start of the first session the track was wet and we had some rain later as well. A positive thing was that I could test both the wet and the intermediate tires. Additionally I also tried the two types of dry tire options and we have decided which we're going to use for tomorrow. Ferrari appears far away but I hope that we will be able to catch up during the weekend."
Juan Pablo Montoya (4th, 1:28.870): "The track was very slippery at the start, so it was quite difficult to adjust the car to it. I suffered with oversteer in the first session and understeer in the second and the intermittent rain did not help as the conditions of the track were quickly changing and weren't even consistent over the lap. We managed anyway to work on the tires and I think we have collected valuable data. We'll see tomorrow."
Michael Schumacher (1st, 1:27.419):
"We are quite pleased with today's performance and we feel more confident than before arriving here. But I am not over confident because a lot can change between today and Saturday. Actually, I am a little bit surprised about the gap to the other teams, but as usual on Friday you can never be sure about what fuel loads teams are running. Anyway, the Bridgestone tires were working very well which contributed to our performance. But I will now study the data more fully to get a more complete picture."
Ralf Schumacher (3rd, 1:28.821): "We were a bit unlucky with the weather today. At the start of the first session the track was wet and we had some rain later as well. A positive thing was that I could test both the wet and the intermediate tires. Additionally I also tried the two types of dry tire options and we have decided which we're going to use for tomorrow. Ferrari appears far away but I hope that we will be able to catch up during the weekend."
Juan Pablo Montoya (4th, 1:28.870): "The track was very slippery at the start, so it was quite difficult to adjust the car to it. I suffered with oversteer in the first session and understeer in the second and the intermittent rain did not help as the conditions of the track were quickly changing and weren't even consistent over the lap. We managed anyway to work on the tires and I think we have collected valuable data. We'll see tomorrow."
2fast4u
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Jaz said:Villeneuve qualified in Pole and finished second in his first ever F1 race (which was in Aus)..
well he would actually have won but the car started losing oil in the last few laps of the race. ???
uh yeah, piss on friday times, they dont show shit. i dont even watch the friday training.
To be honest, Jack(ques) is not going to win another race in his career. He is not part of a competetive team and I just can't see why he should win anything, not even through a miracle... Any no, he is not a better driver then the others, he is not even underestimated, he is skottish... Fisichella is a perfect example of an underestimated driver, if they would let him compete for a better team he would be able to finish in a position that would reward him with points.
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2fast4u
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Remote said:
look at jv's usa-records: indy car champion, winner of indianapolis 500 in 1995. that takes a lot of skill, especially driving in the ovals. im not sure if many of the current f1 drivers would be capable of doing that.
as for fisico i fail to see unusual high skills. he had years in jordan to prove his talent, but he didnt, besides a few single good results.
me personally, i think jenson button is a great talent by wot he showed with the williams. its a shame that was punished with that benetton last year.
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Jaz
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What the hell are you on about?Remote said:
He's Canadian.
He, as 2fast2u pointed out, won both the Indy 500 and the CART championship in 1995.
He qualified on pole for his first ever F1 GP (only one other driver has ever done that, Mario Andretti), and he almost won his first GP.
He finished 2nd in the championship, and took the championship down to the last race in his first season of F1 (only to suffer a car failure).
He won the F1 World Championship in 1997, beating `the best`, Schumacher.
He scored two podium finishes last season in a car that handled worse than a tractor..
I stand corrected, he is canadian... and you can't really compare the Cart or IndyCar series to F1... It is a whole different ball game... In those series every driver is capable of winning, they relay to much on pit stops and yellow flag situations... which often means that the driver with the best strategy and a good portion of luck wins... And of course they are all skilled, except from astronauts who have actually been in space F1 drivers would probaly be one of the most secluded group of people you could find... F1 does also heavily realy on pit stops, but the key differance is that not all teams are equal... Several good Cart drivers has turned down the opportunity to drive F1 because they would not be driving for a competitive team... It takes skill to win the Indy500, I must give him credit for that, but he does no longer comptete for a team who have the resourceses needed for him to be the champion.
I do realize that the differences between the F1 drivers are very minimal but my definition of a good driver is someone who can make a bad car good, and I believe that your share the definition... Perhaps Jacques would be the best driver if he had a good team begind him but your argument of him being a better driver then Michael if they competed in two identical cars does not last, what do you base that statement on... I am not saying that Micheal Schumacher is the best driver but he is on of a few capable of winning a F1 race, and maybe that would not be the case if he competed for a team with less resouces... Montoya is probaly the driver who is capable of driving his car, any car, closest to the edge... His driving skills are unmatched but he has
not had the marginals on his side...
What team did Jacques compete for during his first season? And comparing F1 now with F1 ten years ago does not hold...
And since both of you seem to think that the free pratice who occurs before any race, and before qualifaction does not mean anything... compare the free practice results and the qualifiction ones...
Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari
1.25,843
Michael Schumacher, Ferrari
+ 0.005
Ralf Schumacher, Williams-BMW
+ 0.436
David Coulthard, McLaren-Mercedes
+ 0.603
Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren-Mercedes
+ 1.318
Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW
+ 1.406
Jarno Trulli, Renault,
+ 1.867
Giancarlo Fisichella, Jordan-Honda
+ 2.026
Felipe Massa, Sauber-Petronas
+ 2.129
Nick Heidfeld, Sauber-Petronas
+ 2.389
Jenson Button, Renault
+ 2.518
Olivier Panis, BAR-Honda
+ 2.538
Jacques Villeneuve, BAR-Honda
+ 2.814
Mika Salo, Toyota
+ 3.362
Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Arrows
+ 3.631
Allan McNish, Toyota
+ 3.793
Enrique Bernoldi, Arrows
+ 3.895
Mark Webber, Minardi-Asiatech
+ 4.243
Eddie Irvine, Jaguar
+ 4.270
Pedro de la Rosa, Jaguar
+ 4.349
Alex Yoong, Minardi-Asiatech
+ 5.661
Takuma Sato, Jordan-Honda
+ 27.508
I do realize that the differences between the F1 drivers are very minimal but my definition of a good driver is someone who can make a bad car good, and I believe that your share the definition... Perhaps Jacques would be the best driver if he had a good team begind him but your argument of him being a better driver then Michael if they competed in two identical cars does not last, what do you base that statement on... I am not saying that Micheal Schumacher is the best driver but he is on of a few capable of winning a F1 race, and maybe that would not be the case if he competed for a team with less resouces... Montoya is probaly the driver who is capable of driving his car, any car, closest to the edge... His driving skills are unmatched but he has
not had the marginals on his side...
What team did Jacques compete for during his first season? And comparing F1 now with F1 ten years ago does not hold...
And since both of you seem to think that the free pratice who occurs before any race, and before qualifaction does not mean anything... compare the free practice results and the qualifiction ones...
Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari
1.25,843
Michael Schumacher, Ferrari
+ 0.005
Ralf Schumacher, Williams-BMW
+ 0.436
David Coulthard, McLaren-Mercedes
+ 0.603
Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren-Mercedes
+ 1.318
Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW
+ 1.406
Jarno Trulli, Renault,
+ 1.867
Giancarlo Fisichella, Jordan-Honda
+ 2.026
Felipe Massa, Sauber-Petronas
+ 2.129
Nick Heidfeld, Sauber-Petronas
+ 2.389
Jenson Button, Renault
+ 2.518
Olivier Panis, BAR-Honda
+ 2.538
Jacques Villeneuve, BAR-Honda
+ 2.814
Mika Salo, Toyota
+ 3.362
Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Arrows
+ 3.631
Allan McNish, Toyota
+ 3.793
Enrique Bernoldi, Arrows
+ 3.895
Mark Webber, Minardi-Asiatech
+ 4.243
Eddie Irvine, Jaguar
+ 4.270
Pedro de la Rosa, Jaguar
+ 4.349
Alex Yoong, Minardi-Asiatech
+ 5.661
Takuma Sato, Jordan-Honda
+ 27.508
2fast4u
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i think they are equal good drivers - as shown in '97. i think the major difference between them is not skill, but character and maybe focus. ms is capable of building a pretty bad team (ferrari in 1996!) up to one that can win the championship 2 times in a row. jv on the other hand had an excellent car in 1997 when he started his f1-carreer. but when williams went downhill in 1998 so did his results. bar is an ambitious team but they have a very long way to go and jv is not the one that can focus the team and help to better results as much as ms can.
on the other side jv has a great character (which can also be negative - he quit a race in 97) while ms seems like a robot from time to time.
2fast4u
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remote: its true that cart drivers can be supported by yellow flags but pit stops are surely not important in cart. further u say that in formula1 the driver very much relies on his car - in cart they dont so isn't it easier in f1 for a guy like (ack!) david coulthard to win f1 races bcoz he has a good car? in cart - since u almost can win with every car from every position - it depends on the driver, so doesnt that take more skill to win bcoz of ur driving capablities instead of ur car?
if u have ever seen oval races u can surely say, if one driver makes a slight mistake he can crash with 5 (and up) of his competitors and maybe kill one of them. remember that the cart's are much faster than the f1s (not suprising coz they dont have those fia-jerks).
if u have ever seen oval races u can surely say, if one driver makes a slight mistake he can crash with 5 (and up) of his competitors and maybe kill one of them. remember that the cart's are much faster than the f1s (not suprising coz they dont have those fia-jerks).
Yes, I did watch the qualification... and the other part of that more secluded group would have to be Mario Andretti... And if I am wrong about that I would have to say Sir Jackie Stewart... One of the two are right, I am not sure which though... And 2fast4u, if all cars are equal would it not be harder for a driver racing for a less good F1 team with a less good car like Jordan to win, I must have seen a dussin or so races where the best cart finished second due to someone causing a yellow flag situations. And pit stops are definetely important in Cart and Indy, perhaps not as important as in F1...