Donate to the PJ64 team?
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Noobnugget
blah.
You can lie to yourself all you want but the bottom line is that you were paying to use an incomplete, beta of an otherwise FREE program. And as long as they said you have to give "X" amount to use this program in it's current form, legitimately(aka not dl a leak), then it WAS a price tag.
What i've always wondered about this whole "donating" scheme was the legality of it. Is it really legal to charge people for an emulator if you're not the owner of the copyright and junk of the platform you're emulating? Makes me wonder..
It's zilmar and Jabo's code. If they want to charge for it (beta or otherwise) it's their choice. The fact that their code is emulating a console is irrelevant.
p_025
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I wonder if I could be a beta tester if I donated a potted plant. I think ferns are good this time of year.
Noobnugget, shut the hell up. The beta, although it's a beta, DOES have improvements. Plus in the future, when it gets even better, you won't have to donate again to get it.
Noobnugget, shut the hell up. The beta, although it's a beta, DOES have improvements. Plus in the future, when it gets even better, you won't have to donate again to get it.
squall_leonhart
The Great Gunblade Wielder
hey, 1 off donation and get infinite updates, and a say in the direction of the emulator.
booya. i'll donate another 20 when i have it.
booya. i'll donate another 20 when i have it.
Noobnugget
blah.
I'm sure it wouldn't be so irrelevant if the owner of the legal rights to the actual console didn't like such practices.
squall_leonhart
The Great Gunblade Wielder
emulators aren't illegal, infact, the law protects them.
owning roms on the other hand, is illegal, unless you own the original cart.
this is different in the USA where roms are illegal in any standing.
owning roms on the other hand, is illegal, unless you own the original cart.
this is different in the USA where roms are illegal in any standing.
Cutlery doesn't encode computer programs. People do. But, keep in mind: only 3 people are involved in the making of an emulator of a console with a programming team of over 30. They released the 1.7 beta so people could file bug-reports that the 3 wouldn't notice, and therefore make the final release all the better. And, yet again, if they released the beta for free, there would be thousands of idiots incorrectly filing incoherent bug-reports.
That was my point in its entirety.
OP
[SS] Starscream
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That makes no sense. Thousands of people who spent the money to donate can still post bugs that are not there.
I'm sure they stopped allowing donations only to avoid leaks. It's a two headed monster. When they are ready they will start charging again, soon after they get as much money as they can from fools they will just make it free again, screwing all those who paid for it by then giving it away.
squall_leonhart
The Great Gunblade Wielder
bugs posted to this forum for 1.7 are ignored. and locked.
and they stopped allowing donations because of a problem with paypal.
and they stopped allowing donations because of a problem with paypal.
ScottJC
At your service, dood!
Hey you're right, Jabo and Zilmar must be punished! They've spent litterally thousands of hours writing software and generously let us use it. I dunno about you but I've enjoyed playing my old favourites on it, but them asking for some financial supports...
YOU PAY FOR SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE HUMAN BEINGS.
[/sarcasm] for people dumb enough not to realize. Nobody is forcing you to donate, so don't.
Also I request this thread to be locked because it isn't going anywhere. Three pages conspiracy theorys and selfish ideals. "Oh woe is me, Pj64 1.7 beta requires a donate which suggest I actually care about the well being of the project & its authors..., no way! I'll just moan about it instead, since I am clearly way more deserving of the money than Zilmar and Jabo is! Considering the massive amount of stuff I do in the emulation community (which is moan about how unfair life is)"
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OP
[SS] Starscream
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I'm sure you do want this thread closed. Anything that is not kissing people asses must be shut down immediately , right?
Charging money for a version that is no better and is WORSE than a free version is not cool and I have no problem saying it out loud. 1.7 was supposed to be an UPGRADE to 1.6 and they failed to fulfill that part of the donation assumption.
Don't tell me people were happy to see that 1.7 had nothing new or worthwhile to offer and people are happy about the donation had they known about that.
Charging money for a version that is no better and is WORSE than a free version is not cool and I have no problem saying it out loud. 1.7 was supposed to be an UPGRADE to 1.6 and they failed to fulfill that part of the donation assumption.
Don't tell me people were happy to see that 1.7 had nothing new or worthwhile to offer and people are happy about the donation had they known about that.
Good God, why can't you get what the P64 1.7 *BETA* is all about? I'm not repeating myself, it wastes too much time typing.
It is NOT THE FINAL VERSION. It is a BETA. It's going to have problems. The final version will be released for free. The current beta is not meant to be used to play games: only bug-reporting.
Now what are you going to say? I'm very curious. =]
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Toasty
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No, not right. But threads that have degraded to nothing but flame ping pong are another matter, IMHO.
They didn't force you to donate, nor did they make any claims that the beta was better than the uncompleted final. They gave people who wanted to donate and help out an opportunity to do so, and as a kind bonus, they allowed them access to the work they'd done so far. 1.7 will be better than 1.6 when it's finished.
1.7 has already improved many things, but as it is only a beta right now, there are still bugs to work out. As a matter of fact the only person I've seen complaining about how it has "nothing new or worthwhile to offer" is you.
Anyway, I think that if an agreement was going to be reached it would've been by now, so I agree with ScottJC's suggestion that the thread be closed. This is my final comment on the subject.
ScottJC
At your service, dood!
I'd actually have an easier time trying to get blood from a stone, I consider my donation as much a thank you for what they've done in the past as well as what their doing in the future - Its not always about "gimme gimme gimme" you know. Besides theres a lot of stuff that has been fixed so far and they've barely even begun. I know it eats at your very soul to not know what those changes are but tough, I might've told you some if you weren't so hell bent on the "life is so unfair" kick.
As it is all "take take take" with you, I'm glad the beta is not free. This is my final words on this matter.
As it is all "take take take" with you, I'm glad the beta is not free. This is my final words on this matter.
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The pj64 download section did imply it was better than 1.6 to make donations happen, unfortuantly that section is no longer online and i cannot get to it to quote anything it said.
Look guys, I'm disappointed at the progress or lack of progress that pj64 has taken. Had the version you get when you donate been something more I would have nothing to say and can see spending money on it, but as it is now it is not worth it and I can't not say something about it.
Too much time has gone by, too much money has been donated to not have something better to show for it.
It's called a discussion, no names are being called, no one is getting out of control. The only thing that is going on is a difference in facts and opinions that you may not want to hear.
Look guys, I'm disappointed at the progress or lack of progress that pj64 has taken. Had the version you get when you donate been something more I would have nothing to say and can see spending money on it, but as it is now it is not worth it and I can't not say something about it.
Too much time has gone by, too much money has been donated to not have something better to show for it.
It's called a discussion, no names are being called, no one is getting out of control. The only thing that is going on is a difference in facts and opinions that you may not want to hear.
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smcd
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The donations help weed out people who come in going OH NOES THE POEKMON DOESNOT WROK!!!!111 HELP{ PLZ!!! (typos intentional). This helps to get a more serious base of testers and better bug reports. It also allows people to feel special, having something before others do. 
It also allows people to show appreciation for someone sharing the results of their hobby. Don't like it? DO NOT DONATE. Just stop bitching and be on your merry way. Geez.
It also allows people to show appreciation for someone sharing the results of their hobby. Don't like it? DO NOT DONATE. Just stop bitching and be on your merry way. Geez.
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[SS] Starscream
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When do we have a right to bitch? It's all good when we say everything is great, the team is great, the project is great, everything is great and do not donate. There is no difference in not donating and saying the opposite if it applies and it does. Many people agree with me but have been here too long and do not want to say these things in front of everyone and turn everyone off to them, i don't care, so i do.
If you don't like it, you can leave too.
If you don't like it, you can leave too.
MasterPhW
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It's so funny, that he's talking and bitching the whole time about a version he doesn't even have! He's just pissed, that not all version are leaked and his "friend" probably also don't want to give him the new version, that's all I think...
Just DON'T FEED THE TROLLS... close this thread and let him bitch on another board.
Just DON'T FEED THE TROLLS... close this thread and let him bitch on another board.
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